Black Watch Regiment Axing - More Than Just A Name And A Badge?

Posted: 11/05/2012 17:07 Updated: 11/05/2012 17:07

It's been covered at length in the Scottish media and less so by publications elsewhere, but the possible axing of the historic Black Watch army regiment in Scotland has led to a mounting political row in Edinburgh, and it won't be long before it blows up at Westminster.

On Wednesday the Scotsman reported that under troop cuts the Black Watch and Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders are to be brought together. It followed an admission by defence secretary Philip Hammond in an interview with The Telegraph on Tuesday, in which he signalled that some regiments would be merged.

The issue was due to be raised in the Commons on Thursday, as part of Hammond's statement about the U-turn on Joint Strike Fighter. But Hammond apparently managed to get the terms of his statement narrowed to just about the UK aircraft carrier capability. On Thursday night three Scottish National Party MPs tabled an Early Day Motion and Labour looks set to be critical about anything that dilutes the history of the Black Watch.

The potential demise of the regiment is part of the Basing Review into troop numbers and regiments, taking place this year and due to report sometime in 2013. We can expect a reduction in regular troop numbers by up to 19,000 - that has been in the public domain for more than a year, and even the previous Labour government accepted that there would be a reduction.

But the revelation that the cuts will lead to historic regiments with proud traditions being merged has provoked widespread anger, and not just in Scotland. The Telegraph was deluged by letters following their interview with Hammond, and Tories north of the border have come under attack by Alex Salmond for their colleagues in London showing apparent disregard for military tradition.

Michael Codner, Director of Military Sciences at RUSI told HuffPost UK that the loss of several historic badges was inevitable - but that there will be more rows like the one now surrounding Black Watch. "When you start to look at cavalry, when you start to reduce the number of tanks you're going to see whole regiments going. That will be quite political when it comes to the Household Cavalry.

"There will be a lot of regional defences at keeping the regiments, and that's understandable. The objective disadvantage of getting rid of cap badges is where they relate to specific areas. It's how the regiments relate to the rest of society. That is quite important."

But Codner says the Army is going through substantial organisational change, and while that will be painful, there will be benefits. He said: "They are moving towards a "super-garrison" concept, which makes sense because spouses don't get moved around so much and can get jobs. But this moves the regiments away from their historic associations.

"When it comes to emergency response and domestic security, if the Army isn't so spread around the country then units will not be so available in the case of a terrorist attack or some natural disaster like flooding. But you can't necessarily keep the army dispersed around the country just for that purpose without it being costed," he says.

"The disadvantages are that army lose the relationships from the nations and regions they are based, but a new generation of soldiers won't be so concerned. In 10 years time a majority of the soldiers in a regiment will either no longer be in the military or will have been promoted to a point where a cap badge is not so relevant."

There is a lot of politics involved here, though, and Scottish independence has a lot to do with it. Polling data from Scotland suggests that while most Scots want total control over health and education, fewer people accept the case for full control over defence and foreign affairs. That much was outlined by Professor John Curtice from Strathclyde University in March, during a Parliamentary inquiry.

Alex Salmond is painting the possible demise of the Black Watch as brutal Tory cut that flies in the face of a distinguished regimental history. But the suspicion must be that he sees the changes as a potential boon to convince sceptics of Scottish independence.

Dr. Phillips O'Brien from the Centre for War Studies at Glasgow University told HuffPost UK: "When it comes to defence the SNP have a big problem, which is the NATO membership. The party leadership wants to stay in NATO but the activists don't. They're trying to use anything to distract attention from that.

"The SNP has had a very bad year on defence - their policies haven't gone down terribly well and since then have tried to be quiet on the issue. About three or four weeks ago they started leaking the story that they're about to change their NATO policy."

"A lot of the people in these regiments are not actually Scottish but the MoD refuses to release the data on how many actually are. Those Scots who are in them tend to be more unionist by nature, so whether they'd want to remain as part of an independent Scottish army is an open question."

"But the real question is whether the regimental system maintains esprit de corps - or morale. I think it's a contributory factor, but not an essential one, as the US army has shown."

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It's been covered at length in the Scottish media and less so by publications elsewhere, but the possible axing of the historic Black Watch army regiment in Scotland has led to a mounting political ro...
It's been covered at length in the Scottish media and less so by publications elsewhere, but the possible axing of the historic Black Watch army regiment in Scotland has led to a mounting political ro...
 
 
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10:24 on 13/05/2012
Just one more nail in the United Kingdom coffin. This nail, along with the new coalitions being forged between Labour and Tory councillors to push out the SNP, will see the more politically unaware Scots awake to the fact that The Wastemonster has closed ranks against Scotland's democratic wishes. When their supposed Left-wing Labour choose to cosy-up to the hated right-wing Tories rather than the Left-of-centre SNP, then the Wastemonster Unionist position becomes crystal clear. It screams, "Better a Tory Government at Wastemonster than a Scottish government at Holyrood".
15:33 on 13/05/2012
Bob, the snp are sounding realy desperate now,Scotland awake,That is the only card left of a failing party,Playing on nationalist sentiments,how sad for the snp.
09:00 on 14/05/2012
Ask Mr Miliband about former Scottish labour Secretary´s statement last Tuesday, 8th May:
"Former Scottish Labour chairman Bob Thomson has said he will vote for independence if there is no second question on devo-max or home rule in the referendum.

Mr Thomson said if he was "pushed into a corner" in a straight yes-no question on whether Scotland should remain in the UK, he would back independence, warning others in the Labour and trade union movement would do the same."

And Peter De Vink, high ranking Scottish Tory who has stated he supports independence.

"In the absence of any coherent and positive advocacy of maintaining the existing Union, de Vink and many other Tories I know have gradually become convinced that the only viable Union has to be a new arrangement, a New Union, a far looser Union than what we currently have."

We won´t be voting for the SNP/Labour/Tories/LibDems at the referendum, we´ll be voting on Scotland´s future.

A few days ago Mr Hague was stating that an independent Scotland will be a security risk, and then a few days later his very government are busy cutting the military, in Scotland, and the Uk generally. Odd contradiction.
09:17 on 14/05/2012
"Scotland awake,...how sad for the snp.“ Scotland is indeed awake:

People wonder how Labour leader Mr Miliband reacted then to former Scottish Labour Chairman Bob Thomson´s statement on Tuesday 8th May 2012:

"Former Scottish Labour chairman Bob Thomson has said he will vote for independence if there is no second question on devo-max or home rule in the referendum .

Mr Thomson said if he was “pushed into a corner” in a straight yes-no question on whether Scotland should remain in the UK, he would back independence, warning others in the Labour and trade union movement would do the same.“

People wonder what Mr David Cameron thinks about top Scottish Tory Peter de Vink´s recent support for Scottish independence:

“In the absence of any coherent and positive advocacy of maintaining the existing Union, de Vink and many other Tories I know have gradually become convinced that the only viable Union has to be a new arrangement, a New Union, a far looser Union than what we currently have.“

For the referendum there will be no question asking “I agree to vote for Labour/Conservatives/SNP/Green/LibDems in Scotland“ etc. As Labour´s Bob Thomson has said, many in the Labour and trade union movement will also vote for independence.

Regarding the army, only a few days ago Mr Hague stated an independent Scotland would be a security risk, then his very own government begins cutting the armed forces anyway. Disjointed logic.
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23:13 on 28/05/2012
The last laugh is on you now. I knew the people of Glasgow would never betray the Union so its you who seem to be politically unaware & waken up as to what the democratic wishes of the Scottish people really are. eg. like me they are proud to be British as well as Scots.
18:03 on 11/05/2012
This is an emotive issue which transcends Scottish nationalism. My grandfather served in the Black Watch and saw lot of action. Like many who have served in that illustrious regiment, he was English.

I know that cuts mean that some names must go. but I wonder if the army is becoming too small. Any future engagement will have to be small-scale and short or the soldiers will be over-stretched as they are at present. Sending 18 year-olds into battle and then talking about the ''best trained troops in the world'' makes no sense.

The minimum age for combat should be 21 giving the Army several years to train for front-line work.
21:04 on 11/05/2012
Your right about the engagements having to be short and that is is why we will need coalitions and alliances with other nations in order to have a sustained and hopefully successful campaigns.
10:27 on 13/05/2012
Isn't it laughable that the Wastemonster can contemplate coalitions and alliances with many other nations but yet threaten to slam the door upon an English/Scottish defence alliance? Says it all really.