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The Child Benefit Changes Are Fair and Reasonable

Posted: 03/01/2013 21:44

The last government saddled this country with the deepest recession since the 1930s, the biggest deficit of any developed country, and a welfare system that was out of control. Now Labour have pledged to vote against our plans to make sure it never happens again.

Since coming to power, we have taken the tough decisions necessary to get our public finances back under control. And we are making progress: in just the last two years we have cut the deficit by 25%. But more still needs to be done. And with welfare costing £200 billion per year - more than the NHS, education and defence budgets combined - the benefits system must take its share of the burden.

In Labour's last year in power, every working family faced a bill of £3,000 just to pay for working-age benefits. And though it is difficult to believe, when we came to power, some families were receiving more than £100,000 per year just in housing benefit.

It cannot be fair that a family going out to work every day, often on low wages, has to pay more tax to support people receiving much more than them in benefits. That's why we have already capped benefits to ensure no household can receive more in welfare payments than families earn going out to work. Likewise, in recent years, out-of-work benefits have increased at almost twice the rate of earnings. During times of austerity this isn't fair, and it cannot continue.

These decisions haven't been easy, but they are right. And so is the decision to withdraw paying child benefit to the richest 15% of the country. During times of economic difficulty, when we are taking tough action to keep welfare spending under control, how can we justify spending nearly £2 billion per year on child benefit to the wealthiest people in society?

From Monday, families with a taxpayer earning more than £50,000 will have some of their child benefit removed. 85% of all families with children are entirely unaffected and will continue to receive child benefit in full; 90% will benefit in full or in part.

We have always been clear that those with the broadest shoulders should carry the greatest burden when it comes to balancing the nation's books. Those liable for the removal of child benefit fall in the top 15% of earners and nearly half of the households affected by this change have a household income of more than £100,000.

These policies haven't always been popular - but they are fair and reasonable, and will save £7 billion per year by 2017-18. Labour opposed capping benefits at £26,000 per year and they opposed withdrawing child benefit from the richest in society - now they oppose capping increases in benefits too.

But it is no longer good enough for Labour to simply oppose every tough decision we take to clean up the mess they left behind. If they really support increasing benefits by more than earnings, if they really want to continue spending £2 billion a year on child benefit for the rich, and if they really are happy with families receiving over £100,000 per year in welfare, it is time we heard them say it - and how they would pay for it.

Until Labour commit to increasing taxes on the average working household by £470 per year, own up to yet more borrowing, or name which public services they think aren't worth keeping, they will always be the party of an unsustainable, unfair and out-of-control welfare state.

 
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The last government saddled this country with the deepest recession since the 1930s, the biggest deficit of any developed country, and a welfare system that was out of control. Now Labour have pledged...
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07:59 PM on 02/03/2013
Tax at the household level; benefits at household level. That's how it should be.

Take Child Benefit away, but do it fairly. At the very least, the stay-at-home carer's tax allowance should be given to the single earner.
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03:45 AM on 01/15/2013
No they are not fair.

Universal welfare provision irrespective of income is a philosophical issue not just an economic one. The Tories, who see everything in terms of money, will just not get this of course. Our PM once opined that "We're all in this together". Well I would respectfully suggest that universal welfare provision demonstrates a commitment to that ideal far more effectively than most. If the middle-classes and generally better off are steadily weened off our Welfare State, they will see no point eventually in supporting it. Could this be the ultimate motive underpinning the Tory policy here? As someone who lived through Thatcher's demolition of Corporate Britain " Socialism" in her book, I have to say that this just smacks of more of the same. The Tories want to see an end to the Welfare State.
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12:51 PM on 01/10/2013
They probably are quite fair, but one has to wonder why Thatcher never touched them. I suspect because to her it was beyond the pale.
04:18 PM on 01/06/2013
stop the child benefit payments to immigrants who's children do not live in this country i know a polish worker who received child tax credits backpay of £3000 which bought him a car even though the child and his wife are still in poland thats why they want to come here.
02:51 PM on 01/06/2013
I am liberal and must agree with this gentleman. The benefits system has created a culture of dependency, of chavs and ASBOs, of hopelessness, aimlessness and mediocrity. This is, for one, the right move. Implementation will be interesting. The UK needs to cut immigration too...only those with needed critical skills and talents admitted, and those who will be willing to assimilate into British society. A drastic overhaul of the UK Border Agency is a must.
07:53 PM on 01/07/2013
The problem is is that the type of people you are referring to breed… and there offspring are brought up in the dependency cycle an don it goes…. How about at tax break for non breeders?
11:53 PM on 01/05/2013
I read in the paper those who responces support the benifits cuts punish those who are not working, the scrongers, genuinely sick weather fatally ill or disabled of all sorts etc untill it effects you, their is a saying becarful what you ask for now the same cuts are effecting the working classes, do you not realise if it effects one group of people it will effect the other.

Wake up people this LibCon govenment is not working for you but the bankers the rich and its own intrests in the econimy that was not the fault of the public who was the ones that ruined this country the Labour government, no but Banks like HSBC, Llyods TSB, the Bank of England and you the vote think we live in a democratic society are asleep.
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06:48 PM on 01/05/2013
Billions spent in wasteful foreign aid, IMF budgets, cost of foreign criminals, cost of allowing foreign terrorists to plague us, billions spent on illegal asylum seekers, billions wasted on migrants being treated by the NHS and those tourists abusing the NHS, billions spent on those who choose a pension for life, sites for travellers, The £Billions spent on pointless Wind Farms and associated subsidies often to foreign companies. Eu subsidies to prop up French hobby farming practices and billions sent to Brussels for sweet FA.
The Tories prefer to attack families with kids.....its easier!
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05:44 PM on 01/05/2013
It's not often I could agree with the likes of David Gauke.....and indeed the last time I read an article with his "Two pennyworth" in it he was blaming all the woes of the finances of the UK on plumbers and electricians for excepting payment in "cash" for work done....
.....as a pensioner and widower....and living on my own , with an annual income of just over £7000....which includes 00.38 pence per week pension credit I find it astounding that anyone over £50,000 has ever been in receipt of any welfare benefits at all ....I do remember reading somewhere that George Osbourne ...our illustrious "Chancer" of the Exchequer was in receipt of "Family Allowance" ...and when asked about it... "didn't bat an eyelid"...as he was entitled to it....has he now had his "Benefit" stopped ????!!!!! horror of horrors !!!.....I bet he saw that coming and that's why gave all them top earners and himself a massive rebate and reduced tax liability ...which of course is on going...not really "out of pocket" then is he.....Shame !
02:42 PM on 01/05/2013
Taking just child benefit changes can anyone tell me how much it is costing to work out who has the benefit stopped and how much? There are going to be people employed to process the paperwork, make the decisions, and others employed to make sure the new rules are being obeyed and I would like to know how much this is costing against how much is now not being paid out.
01:04 PM on 01/05/2013
If you have kids look after them n pay for them yourself !! Money can be saved by this Government everywhere you look, not so long ago on the news 20 million was spent on a school for teenage boys that were uncontrollable !! And guess what it has not worked !! What a total waste of TAXPAYERS money !! Local authorities are wasting money left right n centre. I work with young children and we have quite a few families where neither parent work nor do they have any n tension of working, these families have up to 4 children !!! These families also get more help with childcare cost , they get 10 per week FREE childcare for their 2year olds and 15 hours per week for their 3 year olds, this cannot be right those who work should get more help !
09:01 AM on 01/05/2013
i don't have an issue with child benefit being cut or removed, i DO have an issue with HOW! one family with just one parent working who earns over £50K will see a reduction in child benefit, but a family where both parents earn less than £50K ( say £49K EACH ) will still keep their child benefit!

this is the same as for the childrens tax credits, where it is based on one parents income, not combined income.

IF cuts are to be made, fair enough, but make them FAIR!
08:43 AM on 01/05/2013
Simple really if you can not afford to have children don't have them, everybody that works and pay/[paid vast amounts in taxes are fed up with all the people that just churn out children never work,most smoke,drink and gamble.on the other level the immigrants send money over to their children in other countries ( most don't even exist ) we are such a caring country with the tax payers money.
12:35 PM on 01/05/2013
Yes, June you took the words right out of my mouth. I am single and have my own place but sometimes have to work long days and nights to pay my bills and rent etc...I don't have a council house so rent privately. I get no help from the government even though my wages wouldn't be considered to be in the 'high' category...I don't have any children as I don't want any but, I wouldn't be able to afford any, I don't drive a car...because you've guessed I can't afford to run one on my paltry wage...

I look around and see foreign immigrants, chavs, dole spongers all getting hand outs whilst I work myself to the bone...the sooner this government sorts this out the better as no one who doesn't work should be better off than someone who does work...
If you want kids then you should pay for them yourself....cut the child benefit...anything after 2 children then you are on your own...that should curtail some of the burden at least...
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01:14 PM on 01/05/2013
Spot on lass :-)
03:48 PM on 01/05/2013
I agree with you Alexmont. I am a pensioner who has worked all my life from the age of 16 and never claimed a penny in benefits, and when I say worked I mean hard manual graft sometimes for 12 hours a day or more, and because I was sensible and tried to save a little money from my hard earned cash I cannot now receive any help with any of my bills. But what really gets my goat are these single mothers who are like baby machines who do not have any intention of working and never will as long as they are getting their money off the tax payers. I also object to these Eastern Europeans claiming child benefit for their children who do not even live in the UK where is the sense in that.
08:16 AM on 01/05/2013
I do not vote Tory but this man speeks common sence when we had kids 42 years ago we had to bring our kids up on my wages no one helped us now they give my hard earned cash to one and all you do not have to go to work to get it just (ask and you it be given) it is not a god given right you have kids and other hard working people have to keep on working so you can have everything that you want so GO TO WORK AND KEEP YOUR OWN KIDS please
08:13 AM on 01/05/2013
Stop yer wingeing!

As a single man the only benefit I get is a slight reduction in council tax.
If you decide to have kids don't burdern the rest of us hard working responsible people with your selfish demands.
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08:57 AM on 01/05/2013
Those kids will pay for your state pension.
09:59 AM on 01/05/2013
I think that is a fair enough point to make - I don't think though, that by the time I am of pensionable age that there will be a state pension anymore.
02:45 PM on 01/05/2013
Will they though? Will there be work for the youngsters, not much around at the moment . And as for the state pension, the age of retirement seems to be getting further and further away which means more people will die before they will be eligible for their pension.
07:53 AM on 01/05/2013
He wants to increase taxes for average working households by £470 a year?