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Iraq: The End?

Posted: 27/12/11 00:00 GMT

So that's it then. The Iraq War is at an end. The long awaited conclusion as the final US soldiers leave the country, closing the gate behind them with a kick.

That's it. The end. Forget the lies. Forget the war crimes. Forget mistreating and killing defenceless prisoners. Remember the victory instead. Mr Obama needs the big-up before next year's elections.

But, of course, the war isn't over any more than Vietnam came to an end for the poor American vets who count their days ekeing out an existence.

In Iraq the violence continues, albeit intermittently. And there will be no comfort for the families of those who died, or those dreadfully injured in body and mind.

Media attention has, of course, been on the thousands of western soldiers that will never return. As if anyone from outside can truly grasp losing loved ones in a war so damningly dishonest, purposeless, wasteful and evil.

But nowhere is the attention given to the 150,000 Iraqis killed, a number which remains uncertain because nobody from the Alliance counted them. The same for the lack of support for the hundreds of thousands wounded or who will spend the rest of their days suffering from the effects of uranium bullets and other accursed modern war weaponry.

Is the war really at an end when the USA intend to build a gigantic embassy in Iraq with, according to some commentators, up to 13,000 employees, including private sector mercenaries who have shown themselves to be willing to shoot first and ask questions later, in the good old traditions of the Wild West?

Is the war at an end with western dominance eyeing up the loathsome Iran and Syria?

I could write volumes about Iraq, and how it has punctuated my 10 years as an MP.

Plaid Cymru opposed the war from its first jingoistic origins. Later we tried to impeach Tony Blair before realising that the other parties wouldn't scrutinise the behaviour of a man who, incredibly, is now a peace envoy in the middle east.

George Bush's policy appeared so pointless, filled with black humour from the moment that preparations for war in Iraq began following 9/11, on the same grounds as if after Pearl Harbour the US had begun a war with Mexico.

Was it a pointless war? No chance! The purpose was all too clear, confirming imperial power in an important strategic part of the world already cursed with considerable wealth. Woe is Syria. Woe is Iran.

 

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So that's it then. The Iraq War is at an end. The long awaited conclusion as the final US soldiers leave the country, closing the gate behind them with a kick. That's it. The end. Forget the lies. Fo...
So that's it then. The Iraq War is at an end. The long awaited conclusion as the final US soldiers leave the country, closing the gate behind them with a kick. That's it. The end. Forget the lies. Fo...
 
 
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ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:03 PM on 12/28/2011
TB. Commeth the man, commeth the acronym.
10:29 PM on 12/28/2011
Woe is Syria? Woe is Iran? We in the USA must at some point learn something from our previous experiences. I would be somewhat happy if we have learned to at least tell no lies and claim no easy victories. Truth is very important at this critical juncture. We must stop this mad arrogance of power before we turn the whole world against us. Also, we should become most aware that there is a God and that he is watching everything.
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cadawa
08:52 PM on 12/28/2011
I wish our 'MP's were even half as honest. Unfortunately Congress has been reduced to a second rate debating society.
12:05 PM on 12/28/2011
its not the end but the beginning ....of the Islamic republic of Iraq.

Good job blair & bush !
12:25 AM on 12/28/2011
The reason that so many veterans are suffering is that governments would rather spend money housing, feeding and clothing so called refugees from these countries than looking after their own. Many of these refugees would have been shooting at our troops a few weeks before arriving here. It says everything about the code of honour of these people when rather than fighting to the death for their beliefs they would sooner throw away their weapons and scuttle off to live in the country that kicked their arses.
08:30 PM on 12/27/2011
'So damningly dishonest' is a good description of all those who think that repeating the phrase 'It was an illegal war' for long enough will make the statement true.
07:08 PM on 12/27/2011
How easy it is to criticise war, especially retrospectively. Especially by someone who belongs to a political party with all the electoral clout of a rolled up newspaper. Nobody in their right mind wants a war but only people who lack any capacity for a logical and realistic appraisal of the world in which we live believe that wars can always be avoided. Do you think members of the armed forces want to die? Do you think that ordinary people want to live under the iron rule of tyranny? Do you have the courage to explain what you mean by 'dishonest, purposeless, wasteful and evil'? Far from being an insightful soothsayer, you are simply a braying neo-pacifist whose rhetoric has no substance beyond its empty echoing.
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11:42 PM on 12/27/2011
"a logical and realistic appraisal of the world." In other words, is country X screwing up our economic/geo-political ambitions. Now, is there a politician blessed with such an intellectual capacity that grand military strategy is second nature and flawless? The record doesn't look too impressive.
06:43 PM on 12/27/2011
So, what is the mighty mouthed Welsh git actually DOING about it? We can all have a severe attack of verbal diahorrea like this but doing something/anything appears impossible for these wan****.
06:15 PM on 12/27/2011
A US Army couple ( man and wife soldiers ) recently returned from service in Iraq and were honorably discharged from the Army. However, on Christmas Day he telephoned his parents and related to them that they ( the former soldiers) had no food in their house and no money.

For me, a US Marine veteran of of the Vietnam war, the above situation is simply beyond belief. I cannot comprehend how this can happen in the land of the free and the home of the brave. When the US Army veteran's father told me this had happened to his son, we both walked away with tears in our eyes. It has been almost 50 years since I last cried, but this story brought tears to my eyes. All both the father and I could do was hold back the tears.
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07:12 PM on 12/27/2011
Things like this absolutely drive me mental.

People who argue against these wars are accused of 'not supporting our troops', but what about supporting our troops by seeing that they and their families get a decent standard of living?

Let's not waste these brave men and women's lives in stupid wars and let's treat them with some dignity when they come back.
10:16 PM on 12/28/2011
Recently I was told that there are "food banks for needy families" in the USA that "needy people" can go to and get free food. Perhaps, the US military can give out a list to demobilized troops on where to go to to beg for charity. However, this is not what we have fought for.
11:36 AM on 12/27/2011
Let's face it - Innocents get hurt in any conflict , it's called collateral damage. Secondly - It is only down to the media coverage/transparency of events that the general public is even aware of the day to day issues and what you like to refer to as atrocities.
The Vietnam war was the first war to be beamed into people's TV's on a daily basis - before that the propaganda machine was paramount, and the public only heard what the government in power wanted them to hear.Unfortunately the amount of "information" available has swung too far the other way - to such a point that the guys who have the shitt...y job of fighting on a day to day basis are now under the microscope - ready for all of those lilly livered liberals to have a pop at them from the comfort of their armchairs.
Just consider this thought - You only enjoy the freedom of your opinion due to the free capitalist state you live in.
05:19 PM on 12/27/2011
You are brainwashed my friend!

Most of Media is controlled by the government which is controlled by the corporate world.

You are only lucky that you were born on the "winning" side. However, considering that your tax money is paying for the wars and your friends are also dying I would not even call it the winning side. We are all being used for the simple purpose to make the rich 1% even more richer. No matter the human cost.
06:06 PM on 12/27/2011
Sounds like you come from the side of "The Great Unwashed"....My friend.

I don't mind admitting I am a capitalist/Republican- whatever tag you want to put on it - You sound pretty much a leftie to me - usually the side taken by those with nothing and envious of those that have it. I don't mind my tax dollars going towards keeping these Islamist extremists in line. As far as Iraq goes and the rest of the Middle East for the most part - Apart from Oil what have these "civilisations" got to offer ? - Without the knowhow of the West the black stuff would still be in the ground. And please don't lecture me on how great their civilisations were 2 or 3 thousand years ago - That was then and this is now.
08:37 AM on 12/29/2011
If US had not gone to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and so forth, many young Americans would still be alive - and perhaps there wouldn't be any cause for 9/11.
10:51 AM on 12/27/2011
The Zionists want us there to protect Israel with American blood. That lobby is too strong.

We will never leave entirely, witness the complex of buildings we built there to house who/what(?).. agents from Black Water?
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ravenrdr
10:20 AM on 12/27/2011
Yes, it is the end, the end of Iraq as a separate and discreet nation. Instead, as Biden said long ago, Iraq will break up into its constituent parts, as did the USSR and the Roman empires--and as the US would without a strong central government. The Republicans--and their talk of "States Rights" and "Nullification" (Civil War points of faith) are seeing to it that the US breaks up sooner rather than later. Good luck to you all during the break up. It will be painful, as all break-ups are.
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earto44
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09:09 AM on 12/27/2011
Let's figure out a few things. First President Obama was against this war way before it started, so it's kind of difficult for me to want to include him in the blame, witch you did not. 2nd, there is a lot of guilt and blame to go around, and some people would like to start that process, and others see it as an endless Chinese finger trap of a dilemma . Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't. What most people asked of Obama was, get this war over with, as quickly as possible. Ending this was paramount. Yes, the real fireworks will start after all troops are gone, but that can't be stopped without further loss of life. Do you look back at the car wreck and continue to look for answers, or just try to look forward?
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
08:50 AM on 12/27/2011
Your otherwise thoughtful and incisive article is wholly spoiled by your pathetic attempts to gain political points from what has been an international debacle of monstrous proportions.Politicians took us to war, elected politicians I confess, but politicians nevertheless. I said it then and I say it now, the whole region will revert to its customary tribal divides in a very short space of time.Warlords will emerge that will become as desoptic as Saddam Hussein ever was and perhaps worse. The hundreds of thousands of lives lost and the $billions wasted on this war will all have achieved one thing only, the death of Saddam and his cronies........ and the birth of a new set of dictators. Have we learned from this? Of course we have; look at how well we are doing in Afghanistan. History holds all the lessons for us to study but we have steadfastly ignored them as we relentlessly pursue the creation of an unachievable state of democracy and equality in countries that neither want or understand the values of the west being imposed upon them.So little achieved at such enormous cost.
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jacksdad41
Quant Je Puis
02:23 PM on 12/27/2011
@majdf, great post. We truly have learned nothing. Twice we have been at war with Afghanistan as the British Indian Army. We are there now as a coalition to do exactly what? Bring more young men home in body bags? The Afghans are generally "ruled" by district chiefs who have the power over their tribes and Khabul is seen only as a talking shop that has no great bearing on the everyday lives of the majority. They do not want American fridge freezers, TV's in every hut and MacDonalds on every corner. They see our countries through the eyes of our soldiers, hard hats carrying weapons looking like they always imagined them to be, aliens in their land. Put your hand in a bucket of water and splash about all you like, make it all choppy and stir it any which way. Remove it and a minute later it is still and calm again. Whilst there we are causing the choppy waters but when, and as sure as hell we will, leave that God forsaken land we will leave behind a bitter people who will find it easy to hate the West and will be a better recruiting platform for terrorism than Bin Laden et al could ever have dreamed of. And the final Irony? Turdy Blurt, one of the original architects of war in that region is now a "middle East peace envoy". If Tom Clancy had written the script it wouldnt have sold one copy - too far
05:24 PM on 12/27/2011
The one end only reason now and before to be there is this: MONEY!!!!

War is the biggest bussiness!
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George McAulay
Delighted to meet you
06:11 AM on 12/27/2011
Been a long time since the USA won a war now. With an economy of which over 30% of GDP is armaments and munitions manufacturing the USA is, as usual, a war machine desperately looking for a new war.
02:17 PM on 12/27/2011
Nobody wins in a war, there will be scars on all sides for decades to come. We can reproach all thats gone on but we cannot change it, but, we can learn and should learn for what has transpired.

We wont, how long before we look at Iran? remember America backed Iraq against Iran. Is it the Americans that we should all be wary of???
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Dombeyandson
08:53 PM on 01/04/2012
got it in one come to the front of the class
07:29 PM on 01/04/2012
Here here again!!