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Why the Self-Serving Wimmin Who Want to Ban Page 3 Are So Wrong

Posted: 24/09/2012 11:44

There are two nationwide petitions scrapping furiously for the nation's attention and support this morning.

One wants to 'Ban the Page Three Girl' from the pages of the Sun - you know, the topless photo of a pretty girl the paper runs five days a week (though not on Saturdays). The petition has been running for about a month, has attracted huge debate and coverage, not least here on The Huffington Post, but also in the Guardian, Independent, at the LibDem Party Conference from a government minister, on Facebook and Twitter.

The rival is Save Badgers from Culling, the move to stop a government-inspired move to kill wild badgers which may be inadvertently transmitting fatal TB to farm cattle. Despite having a high-profile champion in Queen guitarist Brian May, it has received grudging comment and coverage in the 10 days or so since it has gone properly public.

As I write, one of these petitions has raised 95,014 signatures towards its 100,000 target. The other has managed to scrape together 32,358 towards its ambitious peak of 1,000,000 names. Which one is which? Yup, you're right - the badgers are beating the boobs out of sight.

How can that be, the pundits cry, fooled just as those 32,358 signatories are fooled, by all the hysteria and shrill over-the-top support the stumbling campaign is getting from wide-sections of the wimmin who dominate the social commentary sections of the broadsheet media? The answer is easy to those who will hear it: NO-ONE. CARES.

I was first alerted to the No More Page Three Campaign on Twitter by my old friend and now brilliant Times columnist Janice Turner. I was her boss when she was Women's Editor of the Sun years ago. I liked and respected her and her opinions very much, and have always enjoyed seeing and hearing from her over the years since. She tweeted me, as an old Sun hand, apropos the new campaign to the effect of "Don't you think Page 3 is old hat and dated now?"

I responded on @neilwallis1 that "only women of a certain demographic" care about it, added that "ordinary women have better things to worry about". No, I don't think Page Three is out of date.
Janice then kindly re-tweeted my views, pointing out I was a former Sun deputy editor. The heavens opened - I was deluged with fury and outrage from an army of women all demanding like Janice that I explain who this "certain demographic" is while insisting they too were perfectly ordinary.

I sort of know I am making matters worse here, but here goes...

Overwhelmingly white, middle-class, aged late 20s-late 30s, university educated, work in academia, meejah, public services, know what macrobiotic means and how to use a fondue set, don't watch X Factor, go to Greece on their holidays, read the Guardian and watch Channel 4 News, suffer serious sense of humour loss at certain times... (add in all the other obvious ones I can't be bothered to list.)

My beautiful 28-year-old daughter advised me wisely "they also know what wheatgerm tastes like..."

They're the sort of people who would never dream of reading the Sun in the first place, and have no real idea of the people that actually do. Well, the Sun is a largely working-class newspaper that approximately THREE MILLION women choose to read every day. Yes, that is 3,000,000... not 32,358. The important word in that sentence is CHOOSE. No-one makes them, no-one forces them to hand over 40p that morning to purchase an item that contains Page Three. I've yet to hear an intelligent explanation about why the petition's 32,358 should decide whether three million are bright enough or entitled to choose their purchase for themselves.

Do those three million worry about Page Three? No, they worry about their kids' health, the rent, putting food on the table, work, their relationship, benefits scroungers, immigration, the telly, and a drink at the weekend.

I'm also baffled about the WHY of this petition? Why care enough about Page Three to concentrate on that to the exclusion of something in the world of sexual issues that really does need addressing.

Why aren't those petition signatories putting their energy into campaigning against, say, female genital mutilation? White slavery? Sexual stereotyping in the workplace? Forced marriages? Under-age sex and pregnancy? TxtSexploitation in schools? The list is endless - in my view, all these are far more important... but silence.

The very fact that government minister Lynne Featherstone mentions Page Three today in the same sentence as domestic violence is almost self-parody beyond words. You can't help but get the sneaking feeling that this petition is about making that "certain demographic" feel rather pleased with themselves, winning themselves a few headlines, preening themselves over nice self-congratulatory pats on the back from their peers and who they admire. "Gosh, look at how jolly brave and radical WE are!"

The other losers in this, of course, would be the Page Three girls themselves. The patronising way this "certain demographic" insultingly insist these young women are being exploited ("there there, you wouldn't know any better...") bears no resemblance to the truth.

Since the first on 17 November, 1970, there has been approximately 4000 Page Three girls. The original photographer Beverley Goodway would tell me, and I'm sure his successor the excellent Alison Webster would concur, that their most stressful task is gently fending off all the girls who dream of being Page Three girls but just aren't suitable.

The truth is that Page Three is an institution that has been there for more than 40 years, just like the leader column, the letters page and the cartoons have. If you buy the Sun you know its there. Women simply aren't offended by it. In truth, people see it if they look for it and many just don't. If you do, it's nice and the standard of the photography is always particularly high. I remember once asking Beverley Goodway (tongue in cheek, I have to admit) what made a good Page Three Girl. His serious answer "nice eyes and a nice smile - without them the best body in the world rarely works."

And why shouldn't a girl stuck behind the bread counter at Tesco, an office girl down the local council, the unemployed, find a new glamorous life via Page Three? Who are the 32,358 to deny them that? What arrogance.

No wonder the badgers are winning. Hope that one succeeds, by the way...

 

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There are two nationwide petitions scrapping furiously for the nation's attention and support this morning. One wants to 'Ban the Page Three Girl' from the pages of the Sun - you know, the topless...
There are two nationwide petitions scrapping furiously for the nation's attention and support this morning. One wants to 'Ban the Page Three Girl' from the pages of the Sun - you know, the topless...
 
 
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09:52 AM on 10/18/2012
There has been sexual violence against women for years since well before newspapers were invented. Getting rid of page 3 is not going to solve the problem and anyone who thinks that is living in cloud cuckoo land. Beside there are a lot more important issues that need adressing, including the sexual harrasement and violence but leave page 3 out of it.
03:08 PM on 10/06/2012
The reason Page 3 should be banned is nothing to do with whether the women who read it are offended. It's because of the message it sends, which insidiously affects our lives. Seeing a woman's breasts presented as news (It's called a newspaper) tells readers, and the wider public that women are objects to be looked at, not people with purpose. Women with a variety of jobs from actress to politician are often judged in tabloids according to their appearance which sends the message that their actual job is of minimal importance and that women who don't look "good" shouldn't be valued by society.
I'm a woman. I'm from Liverpool so you're dead right I'll NEVER dream of reading that filthy paper. But my opinion still matters because the irresponsibility of that paper affects the world I have to live in. I regularly suffer harassment in public because men have been brought up to believe it's acceptable to comment on/touch my body because that's all I am- a body. Everybody needs to teach their sons that women are just like men- they have appearances, opinions, intellects, responsibilities and feelings. Banning page 3 is an important step on the road to treating women as thinking beings, worthy of being judged on their deeds, not just their breasts.
There is literally NO reason to present a topless woman every day in a publication that claims to be delivering news. Everyone has seen them before, they're not new and they're not news!
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05:59 AM on 10/06/2012
Article written by

Neil Wallis- Media commentator, former tabloid editor - and currently under arrest as part of Operation Weeting

Wallis worked for News International from 1986, rising to become Deputy Editor of The Sun from 1993. He left in 1998 and took up the editorship of The People. In 2003, he moved to become Deputy Editor of the News of the World, and in 2007 he became Executive Editor of the paper.

And under arrest for

Neil Wallis, a former News of the World deputy editor. Wallis was arrested on 14 July 2011 on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications, contrary to Section 1 (1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977.

Not a great person to be taking lectures on morality from is he?
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05:43 AM on 10/06/2012
"The truth is that Page Three is an institution that has been there for more than 40 years"

Jimmy Saville was an institution too that had been there more than 40 years....... not much of an argument is it?

Want porn go buy porn, don't try and dress it up as socially acceptable.
10:12 PM on 10/05/2012
I can only say that when we see a man reading/looking at a page 3 girl in the Sun newspaper, myself and my colleagues are extremely uncomfortable. Working in a family support area, any newspapers that display naked or partially dressed women would not be allowed on the premises. Do we really want our children observing men enjoying this sexually based titivation. Would we want them to see a man flicking through a pornographic magazine?
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George McAulay
Delighted to meet you
11:20 PM on 10/05/2012
You are fight Maria but doesn't the UK have workplace laws that prohibit material like this?

Is this reading material a problem outside of the workplace?
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08:35 PM on 10/05/2012
Great article,thumbs up for Neil Wallis.
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07:48 PM on 10/05/2012
I wonder how many of those same "wimmen" watched Calendar Girls? The story of twelve brave and feisty WI members who raised millions of pounds for leukemia and cancer research (and a new sofa!) by posing nude in memory of one of their numbers deceased husbands, it was a runaway success and a true story.

Seeing the occasional nipple when someone else buys The Sun is not going to ruin my day, cause me to rip out my eyes or indeed, cause me to care about their "campaign" (AKA, "I'm bored, I'm rich, what shall I do today?"

I mean, come on, a nipple is the first thing most of see the day we come into the world when it's thrust into our mouths and starts feeding us, what's more natural than looking at that?

Plus, SAVE THE BADGERS!
07:26 PM on 10/05/2012
a lot of women want to be in the sun page 3 so if they can not make it then the next best is the tv ..i wonder what the sun sales would be if they printed a topless 70 yr old ( that question was asked by my granny)
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deluk
disgusted.
05:27 PM on 10/05/2012
I totally agree with this article, the people who are braying for the abolition of page 3 are engaging in class warfare and attempting to deny women the right to choose.
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04:39 PM on 10/05/2012
Most people will care about what they're told to care about.

If the rest of the mass media colluded over a period of years to gradually cultivate popular opinion through a complex campaign of repetitive suggestion, association and innuendo that supporters of page three are a bunch of violent, uneducated perverts who are probably unconvicted rapists, then not only could page three be banned but the whole paper.

I'll get the ball rolling by using suggestion and implication and state that 'The Sun' newspaper is the most popular paper amongst UK prisoners, I wonder why. I can then also associate people who defend the sun newspaper with said prisoners, thereby creating an ad hominem towards anyone that argues with me that they are 'protecting criminals' by protecting 'the sun'.

That's the kind of cheap chat show psychology used by mass media these days. The sad thing is is that it's effective.
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05:49 AM on 10/06/2012
Morality spoonfed through the popular media into empty unquestioning minds........ Push it a bit further - most convicted rapists probably read The Sun
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02:01 PM on 09/30/2012
'Wimmin' was passe 20 years ago; now it is just pathetic; I'm ashamed to share the same sex and Christian name as this dinosaur. I could argue every sentence, every sentiment , every concept but I'm just not bothered; some people will always think like him or Kelvin McKenzie, others will argue the opposite with a greater or lesser passion. Hopefully with fewer cliches.

I'm sure the gentleman would argue, with as much saloon-bar bravado, the case for phone-hacking, but look at where that tabloid virtue has got him & various of his cronies.
Still, there are worse ways of passing one's time in a police cell than penning such an obvious self-serving hackneyed hypocritical piece.
05:11 PM on 10/05/2012
Ah, that sums it up nicely. Thanks, I can click out of this window now and go cheerfully on my way.
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Sven Storm
Edit your micro-biology.
08:55 AM on 09/30/2012
Page 3 will end when it stops selling copies of the Sun. That's how the Sun works, NOT on morality issues. It's a business that doesn't care about anything but profitability.
07:40 AM on 09/30/2012
I say ban the whole newspaper as trash.
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12:18 PM on 09/29/2012
Hmmm. Why do so many think it is okay for a woman to bare her breasts for - pardon the pun - titillation, but not for them to use for breastfeeding purposes?
06:49 PM on 10/05/2012
To throw that straight back at you.. why do these women campaign to have pictures of naked breasts inside a newspaper banned.. but then also campaign for women to be able to breastfeed in public?

I'm also pretty confident that it is a similar demographic in the US that argue women should be able to go bare-chested in public just because men can?
07:35 PM on 10/05/2012
because its different thats why. Women have to expose their breasts when they breastfeed, its purely practical and its in a non sexualised non obscene context, unless you have a really sick mind. women campaign to go topless outdoors because its comfortable sometimes. Page three promotes a hyper-sexualisation of womens bodies and essentially puts flesh up for sale and scrutiny. Fighting against page three because you dont want to be seen as a sexual object and fighting to breastfeed and go topless in public because you dont want to be seen as a sexual object are very much the same fight. Women want their bodies to not be seen as obscene or purely sexual and thats what page three ultimately promotes.
01:25 AM on 09/29/2012
Put your money where your mouth is. And put your "beautiful 28 yr old daughter" on Page 3. Please, stun us into silence.