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Are You a Real Christian?

Posted: 15/02/2012 00:00

Are you are Christian? No, I mean a real Christian.

Can you tell me which is the 34th book of the Old Testament? Are you able to recite the full text of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Do you assent to all of the 39 articles? If the answer in any of these instances is no, I regret to inform you that you are clearly not the real deal and should stop pretending otherwise.

I satirise, but only for effect.

Research for the newly-formed Richard Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason has revealed (drum role) that not all UK Christians are really Christian.

The study, conducted by Ipsos/ MORI found that fewer than three in 10 (28%) people who called themselves Christian in the 2011 Census say they are so "because they believe in the teachings of Christianity", and only half have attended a church service (outside special occasions) in the previous 12 months.

In other words, there are a lot of nominal Christians in Britain. Who would have thought it?

The research itself is massive and fascinating, for which we owe Professor Dawkins much thanks, but it is far from a clear-cut. For example, many people might be surprised to hear that 44% of 'Census Christians' believe that Jesus was "the Son of God, the Saviour of Mankind", that a third believe he was physically resurrected, and that four in ten have read the Bible, independently and from personal choice, in the last a year?

Specific findings aside, however, the business of pronouncing who is and who is not a 'real' Christian is a hazardous one. The Dawkins' press release pushes strongly the idea belief and practice are the only reliable criteria for determining the validity of an individual's faith. However, while there is little doubt that those who believe little, do nothing and know even less about the religion they profess are not really very religious (a very small number, it should be stressed), it is doubtful whether the other element, what you choose to call yourself, is as insignificant as all that.

A number of years ago now, I conducted a series of in-depth interviews with people who did not practice the Christian faith and, as it turned out, knew precious little about it. In other words, the respondents all fell into Dawkins 'not real' category.

Half of them, however, had ticked the Christian box in the 2001 Census, while the other half had not - and the difference was palpable. The former group were vague and hesitant about their beliefs but nonetheless genuinely sympathetic and supportive towards Christianity. By contrast, the latter were angry to point of venomous in their criticisms of it. In other words, nominal attachment did not mean everything but it certainly meant something.

We should bear this in mind when we seek to pronounce on how many real Christians there are in Britain, advice that, incidentally, applies just as much to Christians who try to inflate the figure and its significance just as much as atheists who try to minimise it.

Ironically, given the context of this particular news story, one of the major themes of the gospels is Jesus' running battle with the Pharisees, as they diligently policed the national, religious boundaries, casting out all those who worked on the Sabbath, disobeyed laws on cleanliness and were generally not as punctilious as themselves in obeying the law.

The fact that Jesus redrew the lines so as to include those left out in the cold, and cast out those who judged themselves safely pious and incensed the Pharisees serves as a salutary warning. We should be very careful before we pronounce on who is, and who isn't, the real thing.

 

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Are you are Christian? No, I mean a real Christian. Can you tell me which is the 34th book of the Old Testament? Are you able to recite the full text of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed? Do you as...
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08:02 PM on 03/18/2012
The Living Water of the holy Grail of Jesus Christ, davinci Code, I am Leo's Beneficary. dna coded try living my llife its awesome being a christians the holy grail, funny saying that but iam who iam, mustard have the mustard to get to the honey and water! Jesus still lives! I was the last to find out!
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10:33 PM on 02/18/2012
Obviously, self deception should be big concern: 'Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23 KJV) Jesus appears to be making the matter about Him knowing the person rather than the person involved in reportedly, good work on His behalf. Could hardly imagine an omniscient God declaring He didn't know someone, especially after His claims of knowing the numbers of hair on your head! 'Knowing' perhaps about spiritual intimacy that comes from closeness, that extends out to service, but not service only.
05:16 AM on 02/18/2012
According to the massive 2008 Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life's "U.S. Religious Landscape Survey" as reported in the WSJ, 21% of self-proclaimed atheists believe in either a personal God or an impersonal force. 10% percent of atheists pray at least weekly and 12% believe in heaven. (http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122178219865054585-lMyQjAxMDI4MjIxMDcyODAyWj.html)

Perhaps they were lumping "unaffiliated" together.
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05:01 AM on 02/17/2012
Having listened to the Bible all the way through many, many times and having done word studied on Bible words such as "hell', "soul", "eternal life", "destroy", "cut off" and others the conclusion I came to is different than the conclusion I see here.

One can get the whole Bible as a free download on the internet.

Jesus indicated His followers should know all the important directives in the Scriptures, but I don't recall Him saying one would have to even remember where all the names of the books of the Bible would be or remember how they were worded exactly in the original language or any modern translation. Matthew 4:4.

As far as listening to any man made creeds at John 10:5 He said "a strangers voice they will not listen to"

At Revelation 21:27 there is an indication that even continuing lies can keep one's name out of "The Lamb's Book of Life".

Does one have to be in "The Lamb's Book of Life" to be considered a "Christian" by Jesus?
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Michael Dobson
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06:09 PM on 02/16/2012
"Research for the newly-formed Richard Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason has revealed (drum role) that not all UK Christians are really Christian."

Well, hell. Neither are the Americans. But they are a voracious lot! lol.

"In other words, there are a lot of nominal Christians in Britain. Who would have thought it?"

Whodathunkit, indeed. Lots of "nominals" here in the states as well, but they are really good at tossing out random scripture quotations and espousing how much god "wuvs you."
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Joel Mendez
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09:37 AM on 02/18/2012
very much like trained seals, i would think.
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Michael Dobson
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12:54 PM on 02/18/2012
lol...
05:28 PM on 02/16/2012
"We should be very careful before we pronounce on who is, and who isn't, the real thing."

I consider this to be more than suitably careful:

Question #1) Do you believe an all powerful all knowing supreme being who created the entire universe and controls your eternal fate... exists?

If you answer "yes"...

Question #2)Have you read the ONE SINGLE BOOK that is supposed to be the general instruction manual this entity supposedly provided on how to live your life?

If you answer no, then either you don't really believe #1, or you're insane. The end. Take your pick which you'd like me to believe about you.

If you answer yes:

Question #3) Do you SERIOUSLY try to do what it tells you to do?

If you answer no, see outcome of answering no to question 2. If you answer yes, ***and are actually being honest***, then I can believe you're serious about your belief and I'll call you a "real" Christian.

I'd put the number of people who make it through those three basic criteria at below 1% based on personal experience.

Way below.

The rest say they're Christian because they were raised to say so, or it's socially expedient, or they identify with it culturally, or whatever...
12:24 AM on 02/17/2012
As I follow and seek to know Him, I have noticed this. I think if a person does respond to God and finds favor with Him, that is the secret, but sometimes myself included behave poorly having been given so much. If christians behaved the way they are suppose to, Islam would not be the threat that it is today. I am not talking about military action, I am talking about social interaction with others as christians
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Paul Robertson
11:42 AM on 02/16/2012
Does self-identification with Christianity mean something, even among fake Christians? Maybe, maybe not. It's not really the point though.
The key learning from this poll is that the bishops who are demanding that the government give their faith special treatment because there are so many Christians don't have a leg to stand on. They can't claim a broad base of support for their teachings, because we now know that most "Christians" don't even know what they are. That's the lesson here.
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03:18 AM on 02/17/2012
One good clue to a fake Christian is one that hasn't a clue what they are saying. If you ever listen to Atheist most have a better knowledge of the teachings and verses of the Bible than most "Christians."
11:34 AM on 02/16/2012
Romans 10:8-10
But what does it say? The WORD is near you, on your lips(MOUTH) and in your HEART; that is the word of faith which we preach.
Because if you acknowledge and CONFESS with your MOUTH, that Jesus is Lord and in your HEART BELIEVE, that God raised Him from the dead, you will be SAVED.
For with the HEART a person BELIEVES and so is JUSTIFIED, and with the MOUTH he or she CONFESSES and CONFIRMS his salvation.

www.deathandlife.org/salvation.html
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Michael Dobson
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06:11 PM on 02/16/2012
I agree. What does it say?
02:55 AM on 02/17/2012
It says, if you believe in your heart, that Jesus is Lord and that God raised him from spiritual death to spiritual life, and confess or speak that fact with your mouth, you shall be saved.
Visit the link below for more clarification.
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01:49 PM on 02/17/2012
"For with the HEART a person BELIEVES"

Um, no. The heart pumps blood.
The brain is what is convinced, or unconvinced, of things.
If someone is convinced, by definition, they believe.
If they are not convinced, by definition, they do not believe.
Belief is not a choice any more than a heart is capable of thought.
09:09 AM on 02/16/2012
Richard Dawkins may be an atheist, but by G_d he's an Anglican atheist!
http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2011/12/religious-faith-children
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Michael Dobson
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06:15 PM on 02/16/2012
Reminds me of the Chris Hitchens story from when he was reporting from Ireland.

Paraphrasing...

"...I was approached by a group of young men who demanded to know whether I was a Catholic or a Protestant. When I told them I was an Atheist, one of the young men, with a confused look on his face, said to me..."

"A Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist?"

lol.
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Catriona
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09:28 PM on 02/16/2012
Very common in Glasgow. My late husband, a Glaswegian, used to describe himself as a 'Cafflik atheist'. That's the way it is where there are deep sectarian divides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wJgJaYJ0w
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06:19 AM on 02/16/2012
It is pretty shocking what the data shows, and I'm amazed this spin trying to be spun in the opposite direction. The polling shows quite conclusively that the people that call themselves Christian in the UK, are nothing more than conforming to cultural influence, and don't believe in any of the tenets of Christianity. They overwhelmingly don't accept that Jesus rose from the dead, ascended to heaven bodily, or even that Jesus was a historical figure whatsoever. In other words, they reject every bit of the story.
04:58 PM on 02/16/2012
I've been telling people for years that most people who claim to be Christians really are not. I would bet that the USA is similar to the UK in the percentages. We have tons of people in the USA who claim to be Christians, but their beliefs and their behavior prove them liars.
08:03 PM on 02/16/2012
As Matthew 7:14 tells us, "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Cultural Christianity is not shocking, but that so many will be damned to Hell, well that is shocking.
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07:20 PM on 02/17/2012
I wouldn't phrase it that way. People that claim to be chrisitian don't accept many of the assumed tenets of christianity. That is an important distinction.
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Joel Mendez
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09:41 AM on 02/18/2012
now if only we could get half of them to admit that publicly
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Jerry Frey
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06:06 AM on 02/16/2012
Seems to me, based upon the Synoptic teachings of Christ and the teaching of Paul, only God can determine who is "really" a Christian.
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Michael Dobson
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06:16 PM on 02/16/2012
Don't hold your breath.
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Jerry Frey
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08:42 PM on 02/16/2012
OK I won't. Tks for the advice.
08:12 PM on 02/16/2012
Yes, only God can determine who is a Christian, but along the way, it isn't too hard to recognize one of your brothers or sisters here on Earth.
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Jerry Frey
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08:37 PM on 02/16/2012
Thanks
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04:25 AM on 02/16/2012
christian is as christian does.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:52 AM on 02/16/2012
Jesus! Sounds like bad news for heretics.
04:09 AM on 02/16/2012
Doesn't the priest do that for you, be Christian I mean? Churches are just there for weddings and funerals. At least in the UK anyway. That's the beauty of having a state religion.
02:36 AM on 02/16/2012
I grew up in a traditional Unitarian church (not UU). We considered ourselves to be Christian, the difference being that we had only one God and did not believe in the divinity of Jesus. The typical Sunday sermon was about interpreting the stories of the New Testament as metaphorical morality tales, not miracles. I remember that there was a sermon about the metaphorical meaning of the resurrection, although I can't remember exactly how the minister pulled that one off. The service was very Protestant, with the hymns and readings etc but no communion. As I grew older and experienced other Christian services the religion of my youth became a puzzle to me. I eventually concluded that I had been attending a nice intellectual Sunday morning social club, and without belief in the divinity of Jesus and the physical resurrection I was definitely not Christian. I say that advisedly, for from all reports the earliest Christian followers of Jesus were not much different in their beliefs. And I have read about the scholarly claim that the resurrection passage in Mark (the earliest gospel) was added later. Certainly there are many self-identified Christians who would be disinclined to say that they believe Christ's bodily literally physically exited the tomb and headed for the eternal ether. But for one who was brought up in the rationalist version of Christianity, that would be the test I would use. I see it as the boundary between intellectualizing story and emotionally connecting to it.
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02:32 AM on 02/16/2012
Good question. I follow the teachings of Jesus and call him a friend. He called God Father. So do I. He followed in the steps of the Hebrew prophets. His message was filled with compassion. He was a true humanitarian, in other words, for humanity. His will and consciousness was rooted in his heavenly Father. He was in fact connected to God. I cannot claim that perfection so rely on Him to carry me the rest of the way into God's presence. Religions abound. I happen to believe that anyone who wants to be with God, will be. God does not measure theological correctness. God measures the intentions of the "heart" and thus it is our life long intentions along with our actions on behalf of others that put us closely with divinity. Micah was right. Do Justice; love compassion and walk closely with your God- and God will recognize you. Be a sheep and not a goat and Jesus will welcome you into God kingdom. It's not simple. Its not cheap. It truthful. Deceit, greed and cruelty have no place in God's kingdom. Love does conquer all.
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Michael Dobson
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06:20 PM on 02/16/2012
Missed out on reading the Old Testament, did you?