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The Full Story: Why Ukip Fired Me

Posted: 16/01/2013 00:00

I'd never been attacked by a political party before, not until I was fired as Chairman of UKIP's youth wing for supporting Equal Marriage. The attacks aren't as scary or as powerful as you might fear, but then that might be because it is UKIP.

The attacks seem as inconsistent as UKIP's policy on Equal Marriage itself: You weren't fired for supporting Equal Marriage it was for, er, something else. You were fired for misrepresenting the party's policy on gay marriage. You were fired for supporting drug legalisation and you were fired because your very libertarian.

In a wonderfully patronising article, Janice Atkinson tries to do all of these at once. She also makes the pitfall of trying to claim she loves young people in politics while constantly calling them kids, and claiming equally that 'kids' shouldn't be silenced, but then they should if they disagree.

So if you will indulge me (I am as bored of this subject as anyone but if UKIP members keep wanting to 'set the record straight' I will probably have to keep correcting them) I will, hopefully once and for all set out what happened.

I was elected YI Chairman after the resignation of Harry Aldridge in November 2012, as former YI Yorkshire Chairman Arnie Craven (who supported the other candidate in the election) notes the National Executive Committee of UKIP cancelled the election after the votes were already in (and after voting had been open for a week) claiming a lack of rules. If my election was invalid so was every single election in YI's history, but that was calmly ignored. With almost 2/3rds of the vote and the largest ever support in terms of absolute numbers it is a bit cheeky of UKIP to claim I had no mandate. The YI council in the end co-opted me as Chairman using the votes as a 'consultation exercise'

I was then put on the World at One by the Party to talk about the rise of Young Independence. When asked about my opinion on Equal Marriage I stated UKIP policy and then stated my own opinion, which according to the UKIP rule book I was entitled to do '

L.12 UKIP candidates, elected members and officials are entitled to disagree with official Party Policy. When making public statements which are at variance with official Party Policy they must make it clear that they are giving a personal view. Any such statements must be made in a constructive manner and not harm the image of the Party or risk bringing the Party into disrepute.

The fallout for this, which some helpful person has turned into a Downfall parody, was what can only be described as a shed load of emails from the Party Chairman, NEC members and some MEPs, some insulting in nature. I replied asking why Nigel Farage was allowed to publically state he was pro legalisation of drugs. At the time Party Chairman Steve Crowther emailed me to tell me that Nigel's views were 'in line with party policy' showing any argument that I was fired because I support drug legalisation to be a fabrication. When I appeared on Gaydio with Richard Lowe who was also fired from his position as a Parliamentary Candidate for supporting equal marriage the London Chairman for the party seemed to suggest that it was one rule for Nigel, one rule for everyone else.

In fact when Steve fired me he clearly stated it was for policy issues. The only policy I had disagreed with UKIP on (publically and during my time as Chairman) was Equal Marriage. Indeed the fact that UKIP does not seem to be able to come up with one coherent alternative as to why I was removed and has gone with a scattergun approach of 'say as many things as possible in hope that something sticks' only seems to confirm this. Firing a second member for the same reason is the final nail in the coffin.

All this from a party that claims to value free speech and would rather 'eccentrics' and 'free thinkers' than the bland and boring. It seems to me that UKIP support free speech, as long as you are agreeing with them.

And finally am I libertarian? Yes. Am I a hardcore libertarian best described as an Anarcho capitalist? Yes. Are UKIP (despite claiming to be so) ? Absolutely not. I believe that force and coercion are morally illegitimate and that interactions should be voluntary, and have asked philosophical questions about whether it is morally legitimate to ban consensual incest. UKIP knew I held these views years ago, I never advocated them as party policy and they had no role in why I was fired. It begs the question however, if they were ok with me holding these views, but not ok with me being pro Equal Marriage then does that say more about me or them?

 

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I'd never been attacked by a political party before, not until I was fired as Chairman of UKIP's youth wing for supporting Equal Marriage. The attacks aren't as scary or as powerful as you might fear,...
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08:41 PM on 02/21/2013
And may I just add one thing - there is nothing at all libertarian about so called "gay" marriage. It is not liberty for a 2% minority to impose their values on the 98% majority and re-define marriage to exclude biological mating or fidelity from the picture. Only half of homosexuals even want it so that means that a strident 1% is imposing its views and values on the rest of society. For teachers and other professionals to be forced to go along with it or sacked is totally unlibertarian.
05:56 AM on 01/23/2013
ukip seem to be murdochs new venture into politics his support is cause for concern it would suggest we need to avoid them.
12:41 PM on 02/22/2013
what are you talking about? The sun is and the times are for the conservatives. Murdochs papers have been using the silly smear tactics against ukip as much as the rest of our media industry. Some people do talk nonsense. Try thinking for yourself
08:02 PM on 01/17/2013
It sounds to me like young Olly rather than being a libertarian would simply like to take some liberties with a member of his familly! Just saying.....
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04:58 PM on 01/17/2013
Sorry, sonny, but if you want to publicly go against stated party doctrine then you should expect to get booted out.

It would have been more honest if you'd have quit the party before making your views known.
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02:56 AM on 01/17/2013
UKIP is a fraud. What started out as a legitimate movement has morphed into a quasi Kristianist movement - very similar to what happened when the Tea Party was taken over by the Christo-Fascists to impose their will on this side of the Atlantic. It went down in flames, and so will UKIP.
08:58 PM on 01/17/2013
UKIP is the only really electable party, the rest are a set of liars. UKIP needs to be given a chance, however With their actions against this guy, they've made a major statement that the average person on the street is applauding. Well done UKIP.
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03:57 AM on 01/18/2013
Yeah OK, I've already seen UKIP's future reflected in the Tea Baggers on this side of the pond.  They're a fraud, and nothing but smoke and mirrors - but you keep having that "faith".
12:44 PM on 02/22/2013
you don't seem to know what you are talking aout. ukp are the only party that actually believes in something. Pretty much the only chance this country has. As for your tea party in usa the big difference is that they get a lt of their world views from religion where as over this side of the pond we spent a lt of yrs getting rid of religion. About time you guys caught up on that
10:45 PM on 01/16/2013
Describing the European Parliament elections as a side show was extremely foolish, UKIP should be concentrating 100% on Winning the Euopean elections, not wasting their time trying to win seats in parliament where all they'll end up doing is putting the pro EU Labour Party in power.
heterodoxlibertarian
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05:13 PM on 01/16/2013
And if it wasn't clear enough already, UKIP is not a libertarian party. It is a hard right populist party dedicated to perpetually stirring a cauldron a cultural resentments over a changing, more diverse, more tolerant, more pluralist Britain. It is a party of mean, insular, reactionaries. No libertarian should give it the time of day.
04:29 PM on 01/16/2013
What a Farce and the U-tube video is absolutely brilliant.

Unfortunately, Anarcho + Big Word of your choice = Big Mess.

Looks like Ollie was voted into power by the Plebescite (Roman not Tory meaning) on a popular vote which the powers that be couldn't do much about.The phrase " Et Tu Brutus " is beginning to spring to mind.

Q. How many Ukip members does it take to change a light bulb?

A. A lot more than 66% if you can't find the light switch or meaningless if you haven't paid the electricity bill.

This is now last week's news. All that is left now is for the Political Commentators to start making money out of it if they can.
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03:44 PM on 01/16/2013
“I'd never been attacked by a political party before”
Sheep can get pretty savage. Although usually that's protecting their young.

“the party's policy, “
in common with EU policy, is pre-eminent over the will of the majority?

“you’re very libertarian”
and they need a librarian. To direct them to the history section, or acquaint them with GOTP, BTP, FTP.

“set the record straight”
Or, relating reality as yet another individual views it?

“UKIP cancelled the election after the votes were already in”
EU induction, or ue inducing?

“bringing the Party into disrepute.”
simply requires use of the word ‘party’. Defined in engineering terms, as an assortment of nuts maintaining loose formation.

“Farage was allowed to publicly state he was pro legalisation of drugs.”
Don’t do as I do. Do as EU are told? Tied yourself up with the same knot as all the others Nigel? Unless you allow individuals to submit their arguments, then allow the majority to select policies in place of personalities. UKIP is an ersatz equivalent of the rest, rather than governance as it could be.

“a party that claims to value free speech”
and enshrined that tenet, wouldn’t be a party. It would be democracy, at work.

“force and coercion are morally illegitimate” 
Not to mention reliable indicators of an absence of cogent reasoning. Otherwise it would be possible to produce a list of logical steps made, for inspection and checking by others. If that isn’t an option, it probably hasn’t been done.
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02:14 PM on 01/16/2013
"Anarcho-Capitalist"?... Well there's your first clue Olly!

And 'gay marriage' issue really cuts to the core of this party more than you think, this despite them riding the crest of the 'anti-EU' wave. You certainly were "naive", as I recall you saying in the news!
01:49 PM on 01/16/2013
Ah the layers begin to peel back and we start to get a glimpse of what UKIP really is.

It's not nice and there are more things to come...
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12:44 PM on 01/16/2013
As a libertarian capitalist I take it you are on the individualist right (as opposed to the collective left).
Normally, through distrust and fear of collectivism, and the realisation that anarchism (rules without rulers) cannot fit our social authoritarian structures (rules from rulers), the libertarian right defult to right wing authoritarian parties (as with Friedman, Misses, Hayeck, Rothbard, etc.).
Thus, libertarian individualism ends up maintaining 'an opposing' authoratarian individualistic idealism, whether conservative or liberal, and we end up with more rules and regulations to protect individual property rights (mainly intellectual and copyright). So not very libertarian then.
As a society we end up with a quagmire of rights and laws for protection - indivdual property rights, counter rights (social, and individual like employee, etc.), which is where society is now, stagnant.
I cannot see the political right, and this includes UKIP, improving things, and since the early 70's when the keynsian model was first challenged and we learched right, we have gone from one economic mess to another. So personally, I prefer socialist authoratarian ideals (though far from perfect) as they tend to be the lesses of the two authotitarian evils (as bourne out with the growth and social mobility for many created after the 2nd WW up to the early 1980's. Since then we have become an all or nothing, top down, trickle down, and dumbed down, culture).
And yet many people (like Farage) still see the problem as social idealism, or social democracy?
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
05:08 PM on 01/16/2013
Libertarians are not on the left or the right but, as you said, individualists. Friedman and Hayek did support conservative parties during the 1990s after decades of left wing parties pushing policies that absolutely tore apart the economy but did so because they were the lesser evils and the economic situation was so severe. And socialist authoritarianism is just as bad as conservative authoritarianism.
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08:52 PM on 01/16/2013
Not as straight forward as that. Social libertarians/anarchists (Kropotkin, Bakunin, Chomsky) differ from induvidualist libertarians/anarchists (Hayek, Rothbard, Misses, Nozik). They differ in resect to the weight put upon alturism (left) and self interest (right). Both the socialist left and liberal right can be authoritarian (communism viz conservatism), and both can become dictatorships (with facsism as the extreme).
Hayek and Friedman were both individualists who distrusted socialism (Misses converted Hayek from his socialism) from the outset.
The best (most intelligent) book to read for a clear view of libertarian individualism is Nozik's 'Anrchy, State, Utopia'.
One of the most important recent books is 'The Price of Alturism' which looks at alturism and self interest, mathematically, and shows they may be the same thing (so indvidualism and socialism define each other?)
Also, google the 'political compass' for a more acurate four point view of traditional political positions.
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04:44 AM on 01/17/2013
the basis of conservatism is small government, low taxes, individual freedoms...

that to me sounds like libertarianism in a nutshell. unless youre grouping social liberalism and libertarianism into one indistinct entity (which would be highly dubious) i think its almost impossible to state its not a right aligned socio-political system. both believe in equal rights and the removal of any social hierachy but to me thats where the comparisons end.

i always ask libertarians one question... explain how in a true libertarian society wealth would not dictate justice?

i still havent had a reply that doesnt frighten the crap out of me.
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11:11 AM on 01/16/2013
Sorry to hear about this but ukip is a bit of a mess. I followed your story and gained a little insight into ukip's internal workings. The whole thing smells of petulance so you're better off out, frankly.
10:45 AM on 01/16/2013
I'm sorry, is this about the People's Front for the Liberation of Judea or the Judean People's Front for Liberation?
Political parties attract people who want to argue with one another even more than they want to argue with the opposition. That's why the Conservatives tear themselves to bits over Europe, the Lib Dems can't make up their minds whether they are right or left wing, and the Labour Party can't decide whether it is a modern social democratic party or the heir to Stalin (though at the moment the Stalinists are hiding under the bed as Ed M, playing Krushchev, slowly denounces them).
UKIP isn't a real political party because it isn't grown up enough to tolerate a variety of views and internal disagreements. Given the age and inclinations of the present leadership, they never will be. Politics is famously the art of the possible; UKIP's policies are based on the assumption that monkey want, monkey get.
Or, to put it another way, why not join your natural home, the Lib Dems, where you can have all the arguments you like and nobody wil throw you out because you disagreed with the Supreme Leader.
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Ian Rennie
It irritates people that I'm a librarian :)
12:26 PM on 01/16/2013
I wouldn't really describe the lib dems as the natural home for anarcho-capitalists.
01:44 PM on 01/16/2013
Anarcho-capitalist sounds like a Greek-Latin hybrid way of describing a Somali warlord, i.e. someone who doesn't believe in government but believes in piling up possessions.

This seems to me to be a logical development of 19th century laissez-faire liberalism. There is probably someone on the far Cleggite wing of the Lib Dems who still believes in it.
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
05:10 PM on 01/16/2013
The Lib Dems are neither left or right. They are a liberal party and, if you examine liberalism through a historical lens, you'll see that it was the enemy of the collectivist economically statist left and the blinkered, traditionalist right. The Lib Dems carry on that legacy. UKIP, on the other hand, is just a cauldron of resentments.
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04:23 AM on 01/17/2013
liberal by name doesnt mean liberal by nature.
10:15 AM on 01/16/2013
You are right we are bored of it as well. Go away
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Ian Rennie
It irritates people that I'm a librarian :)
12:27 PM on 01/16/2013
top right hand corner of the screen. Button shaped like an X. Hit it and all your problems are solved.
01:05 PM on 01/16/2013
Allready had till you interupted me