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Why University Isn't the Be-All and End-All

Posted: 22/08/2012 01:00

So the A-level results came out last week, and since then, there have been dramas that pass rates are the lowest for years, worries that tens of thousands of students are still scrabbling through clearing for a university place, and tears that they didn't get the grades they wanted in the first place.

Well, can everyone just take a deep breath and stop right there? It's not as dramatic as people are saying. There's been a small drop in the success levels but it's not massive and it's not the end of education as we know it. And besides which, there SHOULD be a drop. Why would we expect it to keep going up and up and up and up? If everyone was super-intelligent, nothing would get done in this country!

Regardless of the grades, A-levels still have value. They show that students are capable of learning and that they have a desire to be disciplined in a learning situation. That alone says something to an employee. Just because they've got bad results doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid. It can just mean they haven't necessarily applied themselves. But employers aren't always looking at how clever the applicant is - it's the attitude, do they want this job, are they good enough, do they really want to make something of their life? Young people have to show some work ethic in the real world.

I left school at 15 - you can get your handkerchief out! Yes, I am one of those old farts who's going to tell you what it was like. I used to get up in the morning and do a paper round to get some money, I used to chop up bits of wood to sell, all sorts. But school and myself didn't get on for a number of reasons: one, I am slightly dyslexic. Whereas now that is accepted and understood, it wasn't like that in my day and not being able to spell meant you couldn't possibly pass exams. I was also something of a sickly kid, so I was badly bullied, and thirdly, no-one was any poorer than we were. When I hear about these beggars in the riots raiding shops because they've got no money, that cuts no ice with me. We had nothing and didn't go round behaving like that.

Add all that together and I walked out of school at 15 years old. There was nothing for me there. But I did loads of jobs - in the first year after leaving, I must have gone through about four or five jobs, which you could do in that era, walk in and out of jobs easily. You were only paid a tiny starter salary, a small proportion of what an adult would earn, but it was understood that was just how it was. But then I joined the Merchant Navy, and my life changed. I was 16 years old, I had my 17th birthday in New York. My education comes from my life. I've lived it!

I do talks now at Oxford and Cambridge, and I'm usually introduced as having a first class degree in life. Because of my experiences, I know I would have had no alternative but to work in the steelworks if I hadn't joined the Merchant Navy. By not having good results, it changed my life entirely by leaving me to make my own decisions to go where I wanted, when I wanted and how I wanted. The freedom of doing what I wanted to do was a great spur. Expectations of people who come away with great education standards are so high, that they very rarely turn into entrepreneurs for example. A lot of entrepreneurs become one as they haven't really got the education to do other things. That's where you find your Philip Greens, your Richard Carings, Alan Sugars and the Peter Stringfellows of his world - not that I'm in their league of course.

With A-levels, it's only a small first step in the rest of your life. Whether you've got an A or a minus C, it all depends entirely how you use that to go forward. It's only bad news if you collapse and give up. But you can show prospective employers that you've got more in you. When you turn up at interviews, show that you're willing to give your world over to create a success. And not many people are ready to do that.

Having a skill too is so important. Certainly if I had a kid who couldn't make top grades and had no chance of going to university I would say to him or her, be a plumber and make more money than the average person. The last time I used a plumber in London it cost me £3,000 pounds because my sink collapsed. That's got to be one of the best jobs around!

The minimum wage ought to be dropped immediately for apprenticeships too so you can have a professional taking on a kid and teaching them everything, which they can't afford to do right now when they've got to pay minimum wages.

The government needs to take the apprenticeship situation seriously. They need to give employers the opportunity to give young people the chance of work and not for free either. Because university shouldn't be the be-all and end-all for young people in the way it is today. And I'm living proof after 50 years as a success in the nightclub business - it just goes to show that ultimately, having the right A-levels doesn't have to matter. Cheers to that!

 
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So the A-level results came out last week, and since then, there have been dramas that pass rates are the lowest for years, worries that tens of thousands of students are still scrabbling through clea...
So the A-level results came out last week, and since then, there have been dramas that pass rates are the lowest for years, worries that tens of thousands of students are still scrabbling through clea...
 
 
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08:10 AM on 08/27/2012
University degree obtained. Then swamped in debt & jobless. Many graduates say that their University was the worst money they ever spent.

There is no such thing as 'debt-free education'.
09:02 PM on 08/26/2012
Of course it isn't but talk about role model.
02:39 PM on 08/26/2012
Totally agree, I think the UK and many other countries are obsession with university education, which when accomplished bears little or no relation the world of employment. Degree's are now 10 a penny and employers and not impressed with them any more, they want initiative, drive, and people who don't phone in sick every week?
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12:15 PM on 08/26/2012
So Peter, do you offer your lap dancers a job for life? Or is there a sell by date? :)
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12:11 PM on 08/26/2012
I really like Peter's article and admire anyone who has worked hard. Absolutely agree that apprentiships are a wonderful way forward for many and should be seen as a valuable alternative funded perhaps in a similar way to Uni Degree courses. But I'm not in agreement with lowering the minimum wage. People of all ages are on minimum wage & have to survive the real world on so little. Most working simply to pay bills & struggling at that, Peter should know better. An education is for life, an employer cannot take that from you when they no longer need you. Apprentiships are a great way forward but the employer should be vetted for quality / level of skill & ability to teach too. In the early 1980's I found a free ticket on the pavement right out side Stringfellows. I was a school leaver and with a friend we dressed up & dared to go. I noticed that there were many boring looking business men, in suits and all the waitresses wore nothing but lingerie which upset us young girls as we looked over dressed, we danced and enjoyed ourselves nevertheless but I went away thinking, "I'll have non of that" there was something sad & shallow about that sort of fun, still it took courage for us to go there & it was an eye opener into the adult world. It helped me set my personal standards & ever since then I have loved lingerie.
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06:20 AM on 08/26/2012
The world has changed tremendously. everything now is about knowledge and information. Peter you were lucky enough not to need education, and i admire that. but for 99.9% of people who will not be that lucky, education is the surest bet to make sure they have a career.
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Ben Wilson
Might as well laugh while you still can.
12:17 AM on 08/26/2012
If knowledge isn't like a buffett of your favorite foods, university is a waste of time to you. It's not about being clever, it's not about an amazing job, it's about the joy of learning purely for the sake of it. Anything else is gravy. If the idea of a great job comes before the pure desire to learn what you love, it won't go right for you. And LOL if you think you can jsut pick whatever degree, get through it and just be able to find a job that suits it, you are having a laugh. I was all these things, the only consolation to me has been the fact I was 100x times more fascinated by what I studied than I ever imagined. It makes up for everything. I answered so much I wanted to know just for the sake of knowing. A pure indulgence!
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11:41 PM on 08/25/2012
Great... I got a U in my English o'level... I'm guessing I'd get a worse result than that if I became a lap dancer.
I'm doomed.
09:01 PM on 08/23/2012
You are 100% correct Peter! Currently there seems to be an obsession with degrees and the fact the every school leaver should aspire to one! Firstly, not every school pupil has the academic ability to rise that far. But many have other abilities, manual skills, a caring attitude, artistic etc., some are late developers.

Most organisations are based on a pyramidal structure, i.e. there are more jobs at the bottom than there are at the top! Far better that schools give a good grounding in core subjects with the opportunity for further education, should they seek it!

The fact that you were prepared to do paper rounds, chop wood etc., to make extra money, shows drive and determination! Far too many youngsters today want everything on a plate. Want to be taught everything, but don't understand the meaning of the word learn!
11:34 PM on 08/22/2012
Great article Mr Stringfellow. On the money on all counts.
09:25 PM on 08/22/2012
Umm…I think I generally agree with you, maybe. Going to Uni isn’t the ‘be all and all’ (particularly in the days of Mickey Mouse Unis with Mickey Mouse Degrees – in which employers are increasingly aware of these facts.)

However, your advice to applicants turning up to interviews and ‘show you’re willing to give your world over to create a success’ is inexact, ambiguous and slushy. There’s a designated invisible ‘text book’ that points to many things on how an applicant should be at an interview.

In which this invisible text book says that an applicant should demonstrate that they are ‘forward thinking’…while being enthusiastic. This incorporates the empty ‘showing you’d give the world over’ spiel. Bygones.

But essentially, qualifications do in fact count. More so in these depressed times.
07:43 PM on 08/22/2012
Stringfellow said that he joined the merchant navy when he was a youngster and that helped him to develop into the person he is now.

Unfortunately, unless you come from a poverty stricken country and work for 75p an hour, there is not much chance of joining the merchant navy.

He is completely out of touch with the reality of life.
In order to get decent jobs, people need qualifications and experience.
The better the qualifications, the better the job. Not many qualifications needed to run a strip club. Not much kudos boasting about being strip club owner. No kudos being a Conservative party supporter either.
01:26 AM on 08/23/2012
But plenty of "kudos" being a multi millionaire! :)
01:00 AM on 08/24/2012
Not to people with intelligence in this instance
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10:34 AM on 08/27/2012
You can train to be an officer and be paid while you're doing it! Still loads of kids doing this!
10:49 AM on 08/27/2012
I don't think he was an officer, just a deckhand. Would you work for 75p and hour?
06:11 PM on 08/22/2012
Again people, London isn't Britain, it's essentially an economically powerful city state. Tradesmen don't 'earn a fortune' and Stringfellow has come from an era of less competition. Fine, don't get A levels, don't get a degree, but please then be content with being a supervisor at Tesco or a hairdresser .
11:38 PM on 08/22/2012
It is motivation that succeeds, not qualifications. Many folk with degrees never use them, or use them, and never progress professionally.
12:01 AM on 08/23/2012
Yes, but the point of a lot of degrees is to show you are academically capable of working at a certain level. I do a politics degree at a RG University, I don't particularly have any strong desire to go into politics, it's about broadening chances in life. 
03:39 PM on 08/24/2012
Without a degree you can join many retail management training Tesco have introduced it. there'll probably be no fast track but you'll know everything things there is about your store within 2 years. It's entirely up to the individual how far they want to go.. A degree is no magic passport to a job anymore.
04:44 PM on 08/24/2012
Well it's not magic, but it certainly helps. Graduates still earn on average twice as much as a non-graduate.
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12:51 PM on 08/22/2012
I know this might be hard to face for you Peter.

But...

You are not a successful man.
01:27 AM on 08/23/2012
Based on what grounds?
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07:55 AM on 08/23/2012
If he ever takes a hard look in the mirror, he'll tell you himself.
12:16 PM on 08/22/2012
Yes, yes, yes...what you have said, is so true. Whatever happened to attitude ?
Isn't it exciting to be dashing here and there, until you find your niche ? This article should be given to all High School students, so that this constant pressure to be the best student is gone. Not everyone is meant to be an academic, and as you said, tradesmen earn a fortune.
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