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Poll suggests in Europe Anti-Climate Hype may be Over: 9/10 See 'Serious Problem'

Posted: 11/10/11 05:53 BST

After bubbles and bursts, trends remain. That's what goes for climate science at least, so why wouldn't it apply to the social response to climate change? A special European Commission poll shows general concern about climate change is again increasing and a majority thinks the climate crisis is 'more important' than the current financial turmoil and forecast double-dip recession.

Who would have expected that for an outcome? History moves so fast when you are right in the middle of it.

In 2007 there was The Climate Hype. The IPCC had just released its Fourth Assessment Report for which it won its Nobel Prize in Physics for Peace and Gore had his Inconvenient Truth out, quite conveniently placed after Katrina. [Ironic of course: America didn't listen to James Hansen's scientific arguments in Congress in 1980 - but a full-blown hurricane along the Gulf of Mexico accidentally hitting an unfortunately placed city (really nothing odd or especially greenhouse gas-related about that) suddenly made people want to switch churches en masse.]

Of course we had a much better climatological reason to be impressed, silenced, concerned when on top of that all the NSIDC showed us the Arctic melting record of 16 September 2007 - when suddenly 39 per cent of the polar sea ice was gone.

By that time even big companies thought it wise to include some 'climate' in their marketing expenses. Then in December, just before 2007 came to an end, there was Bali - the big stepping stone UN climate summit, roadmap to Copenhagen. The world looked very willing to work towards a big new treaty, but could 'not yet' decide on exactly which emission targets (for the year 2020), or whether these would have to be binding.

Alarm bells were ringing, but no one heard them. Christmas time it was - let's hope for some snow and forget all worries.

Within two years came The Anti-Climate Hype - fired on by an army of skeptics and a saddening science-deprived media 'debate' - in which non-climatologists were allowed equal amounts of airtime to 'explain' how Earth's atmosphere worked - and how the greenhouse hypothesis was a big conspiracy to steal your tax money.

Still on the 12th of December of 2009 on the streets of Copenhagen 100,000 people had assembled from all over the world - more than ever before for any environmental issue. It wasn't enough. The 100,000 were no match for geopolitics, for nihilism, for a system that had always survived through gambling, never through long-term planning.

Now again it's two more years. These days the only significant climate events take place outdoors, in the physical world, like the 2010 global temperature record and the 2011 Arctic melting record, reached on September 8. UN negotiations anyone treats with cynicism, an ambitious treaty halting the rise of atmospheric CO2 no one expects anymore.

And then suddenly the European Commission thought it interesting to do a big survey in all EU member states, asking civilians about their true concerns, their relative concerns, amidst a double-dip economic recession.

Frankly I'm a bit stunned. To what extent is climate scepticism psychology one wonders - and which is the magic (moral?) question to make it disappear? According to the large survey by the European Committee (PDF) in all EU Member States just one out of ten European citizens does not see climate change as 'serious problem' [89% think it is].

About two thirds [68%] of respondents consider climate change 'a very serious problem' and 20% of Europeans think climate change is the single most serious problem on our planet.

Only the category of 'poverty, hunger & lack of drinking water' scores higher on the list. Perhaps most remarkable is that concerns for the current economic downturn are of a lesser degree.

Within Europe rather large differences arose between the different Member States. For instance in Spain, Germany and Sweden people seem extra concerned, whereas Ireland, Portugal, Italy and Greece seem a little preoccupied.

It's not the end of the good news story. According to the EC poll, Europeans are not just concerned, they are also remarkably optimistic, expecting a climate-friendly, low-carbon economy within 40 years.

A majority thinks tackling climate change is mainly the responsibility of national governments, the EU and business - and to make sense of such a top-down approach see little harm in carbon taxation - and more economic chances arising from climate policy, than economic damage.

But are we really that green? Is your neighbour equally concerned?

I'd love to take a look at the questions - if only to create some further good news. Because true or false, these are stats we can build on.

 

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08:43 PM on 10/17/2011
carbon taxation is ridiculous and ruinous. especially since it will do NOTHING to lower world CO2 output.

anyone who thinks Americans will go for another damn stupid TAX is dreaming
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DaveJohnWard
08:24 PM on 10/13/2011
Climate change, global warming, a bit of a warm snap, call it what you will, the bottom line is that the 6 billion people on this planet are using resources more quickly than they can be replaced (where that is even possible). Actually only about 2 billion fall into that category, the rest are getting screwed from both directions. Yemen will run out of water in the next couple of years, much of the rest of Africa will follow. The Gobi and Sahara deserts are increasing rapidly and the ice is melting which will raise sea levels, reducing usable land even more. On the positive side, when the brown stuff hits the whirly thing is when innovation usually comes to the fore, maybe someone will find the magic wand.
04:42 PM on 10/20/2011
You make a very good point. The combination of global warming, resource depletion and increasing human population make the not-too distant future look pretty bleak. My biggest concern is that governments will not take the actions necessary to address the problems until it's too late. Some of the projections for global warming show that it may already be too late to avoid massive damage to our societies and economies.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
08:00 AM on 10/12/2011
20% of Europeans are obviously very smart. Most of the rest are far more in contact with reality than their ideologically blinded American cousins.

Mind you, this kind of resonates with so many other differences. The Europeans have better health care systems, they have universal education, they have social mobility (the American Dream), and they have a decent safety net. All of these things America could have if it's people hadn't fallen so completely for the lies of the Republicans.
08:47 PM on 10/17/2011
right and the EU is a financial disaster held together by the very productive German economy. and there healthcare system and nanny state mentality is a good part of the problem. of course the more you go left the worse it gets - a la Greece and Spain.

Meanwhile the Dems run from the Medicare disaster and the AMA has adds on TV warning about the impending cut in payments - to their members.......
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B Wood
01:13 AM on 10/18/2011
Has anyone ever asked Paul Ryan why he voted for Medicare Part D????

Despite what he and the Weekly Standard might claim, it is still a budget buster.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/does-medicart-part-d-make-the-case-for-paul-ryans-plan/2011/05/19/AGfPbyLH_blog.html
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
03:32 AM on 10/18/2011
I don't think America can boast about their financial position - do you?
07:16 PM on 10/11/2011
Given that Al Gore is a politician and David Suzuki a geneticist, aren't you asking for them to shut up too when you say only "climatologists" should be allowed to comment? Andrew Weaver who writes a column here at HuffPo is a mathametician who models the ocean. Dear me, I fear that double standard working again.
Maybe you have no sense of how cyclical Arctic melting is. In 1922 there was a sudden warming in the Arctic.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/science/globalwarming1922.asp
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
07:57 AM on 10/12/2011
Al Gore and David Suzuki report the science. What they say about climate change is the scientific consensus, which has a vast amount of evidence to support it from many areas, and is now proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

People like Anthony Watts, Lord Monckton, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and others spout nonsense that does not have a single skerrick of scientific support. In fact Monckton and Watt's both purposely misquote scientific research - and Watts tries to hide from the fact that research into his own hypothesis about urban heat islands, shows that they have not had any effect on the temperature record.

So there is absolutely no double standard. Just as it is acceptable for science teachers to teach evolution to children in science class, and not at all acceptable to teach intelligent design in science class, because one has broad scientific acceptance, and the other has none, it is perfectly acceptable to communicate the accepted scientific orthodoxy.

As to your strawman about the arctic in 1922, the fact is that the North West Passage has opened recently for the first time in recorded history, as part of the ongoing increase in temperatures world wide - which is entirely different to any localised hot year in 1922.
05:18 PM on 10/12/2011
The North West Passage was open in 1904/6 when Roald Amundson got through.
" The first west to east passage by the RCMP vessel ST. ROCH under Henry LARSEN followed a similar route through the relatively shallow channels along the mainland coast 1940-42. Larsen left the central Arctic through Bellot Strait and travelled north and east of Baffin Island.

During the summer of 1944 the St. Roch became the first to traverse the passage from east to west in a single year, using a new route west of Lancaster Sound, south through Prince of Wales Strait between Banks and Victoria Islands, and along the northern Alaska coast. Finally, in 1954, the first ship to achieve the passage from west to east in a single year was the Canadian government icebreaker Labrador. "
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0005816

The problem is you cultists don't know and don't want to know anything that bursts your bubble.
Heat islands are what produces the temperature record in cities..."The Central England Temperature (CET) database is the world's oldest instrumental temperature record.(since 1659) Its temperature data has been used in hundreds of peer-reviewed studies because of its uniqueness and accuracy. It also has the advantage of never being manipulated by NASA's team of global warming fabricators."
http:// www.c3headlines.com/2011/01/worlds-oldest-temperature-record-no-significant-warming-since-1995-cooling-instead.html
05:53 PM on 10/12/2011
The Northwest passage was first traversed by Roald Amundson in 1903/06. An RCMP vessel the St. Roche commanded by Capt. Henry Larson did it from East to West and West to East during the early 1940s. As for temperatures, try looking at the Central England temperature record which has been ongoing since 1659.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi
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B Wood
02:22 PM on 10/12/2011
How about making a deal then. Each week, we will have a debate on AGW. The rule is that each side will have five representatives. That representatives have to be a climatologist and have at least one peer reviewed paper in a journal that meets specific standards for acceptance of papers. Further, each climatologist will be allowed just one appearance. The debates will continue until one side runs out of climatologists.

Deal???
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DaveJohnWard
08:24 PM on 10/13/2011
or we all disappear under the rising waves
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MikeWebster
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03:41 AM on 10/14/2011
I don't mind that idea at all. I would have thought they'd have trouble filling the first slot.

Once you've had Pielke Snr, Roy Spencer, Lindzen and Choi, I think they'd already be running short, unless the call in the "not really a denier" Lomburg.