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16 Year Old Soldiers but Not Voters

Posted: 21/08/2012 17:46

My youngest sister has just turned 16 and about to receive her GCSE results this week, she cannot buy a drink in a pub, drive or vote but she could join the Army, she could even choose to commit herself to the life of a soldier until she was 22. All this before she could even vote for those deciding her fate.

This might not be her choice but for many young people in Wales it is as the number of Welsh Army recruits has increased by 15% this year and the number of those between 16-24 is double the UK average figure.

The age group is facing a particularly hard time at the moment, the TUC has said that this is a tough time for young people looking for work or seeking further education and warns of losing a whole generation of talented people to debt and unemployment.

I can't help thinking that the Army are benefiting from the young, disadvantaged and out of work. Especially in poorer areas such as Wales.

I remember the soldier seeking Army recruits coming to school to discuss joining the Army before I sat my GCSE exams and how attractive they made it sound, especially for those not wanting to stay in school after they were 16. In the face of long term unemployment I can imagine that it is an even more viable option for many 16 year olds today.

I don't know about you, but sending 16 year old children to join the Army doesn't sit right with me.

I think this might be the case for many people as Britain is the only country in the European Union that allows the Army to go into schools looking for their future soldiers.

At the moment the choice for many young people in Wales is between long term unemployment or learning to be a soldier and being sent to far away countries to kill other young people. Is it time for us to ask how we feel about this?

How moral is it to allow 16 year olds to become soldiers before they've even been allowed to vote in a democratic election? If they are still children and unable to make a decision on who to vote for in an election then why allow them to make a decision that could affect their lives so dramatically, such as joining the army? At least give them the chance to change their minds when they become adults.

But then, what jobs are there for former soldiers? And how many would have the bravery to tell the Army that they had changed their minds and wanted to leave?

The Army recruiters at our school described it as an apprenticeship, an opportunity to see the world and gain qualifications; but what other apprenticeship could mean spending time in a military prison or getting yourself killed?

 

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DJPotterWriter
01:57 PM on 08/29/2012
I would reduce the age for all those things to 16. I think, if anything, society has been infantilised, with people in their thirties and even people in their forties acting like teenagers. However, I oppose reducing the age for the Scottish independence referendum to 16, unless the age for all other elections in the UK is reduced to 16: otherwise, it will stink of vote-rigging and be inconsistent and unfair.
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Dombeyandson
09:02 PM on 08/26/2012
How moral is it to allow 16 year olds to become soldiers before they've even been allowed to vote in a democratic election? If they are still children and unable to make a decision on who to vote for in an election then why allow them to make a decision that could affect their lives so dramatically, such as joining the army?

What have morals anythything to do with allowing or not allowing 16 year old children the vote? It's a bit inflationary and quite frankly mischief making. Besides don't think for a minutes the youg will vote Troy - not a chance. Every time I read this article I cannot help thinking it is absolutley naive. At 16 yrs a boy or girl are but mere cadets and simply would not be employed to fight as at that age they do not know one end of a rifle from another. Where do you get your information? As for dropping the voting age to 16yrs why, when only 20-25% of those of voting age bother to even turn up to vote?
08:12 PM on 08/26/2012
THEY ARE IN IT "TOGETHER" AGAINST THE REST OF US THE IMPOVERISHED. WE MUST GET UP AT THEM TO GATHER AND GET OUR DUES ONCE AND FOR ALL.

AVOID ALL THEIR CONCERTS AND FUNFAIRS, STREET PARTIES AND ALL THE NONSENSES THEY USE TO WASTE YOUR TIME AND POISON YOU AGAINST YOU. THINK FOR YOURSELVES. KNOW WHAT YOU EAT AND DRINK. JUST GET TO KNOW U AND LEAD YOURSELF. SEE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO TO PRESIDENT OBAMA? HE IS NOT ONE WITH THEM. THEY ARE DOING THEY USED TO DO TO GET HIM ON BOARD. WE MUST STAND WITH HIM THROUGH HIS TWO TERMS IN PRESIDENCY AND BEYOND. HE IS FIGHTING FOR ALL. WE MUST SHOW OUR SUPPORT OPENLY TO SHAME OUR OPPRESSORS. PRAISES. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE IN RELIGION OR DEITY. JUST KNOW YOU AND YOUR ENVIRONMENT, HURT NO ONE THAT HURTS YOU NOT. MEAN GOOD AND LIVE FOR BEST AND BE HAPPY FOR ALL FAIRLY. PRAISES PRAISES PRAISES

PEOPLE, I AM NOT JOKING. MATERIAL IMPOVERISHMENT AND FINANCIAL POVERTY IS THE BIGGEST DISEASE EVER IMPOSED ON US. WE MUST FIGHT IT HERE THE HEADQUARTER OF ALL OPPRESSIONS. OUR FREEDOM HERE WILL SET ALL FREE. PEOPLE AND BABES LET DO IT. CERTAINLY OUR PURPOSES ARE BEAUTIFULLY SURE.
08:12 PM on 08/26/2012
WE HAVE BEEN DUPED BIGGEST TIME AS NEVER. ALL IS TAKEN OVER BY THE STATE AND HER GOVERNMENT AND THUGS. WE ARE FRIED FOR THEM TO LEAD THEIR LUXURIOUS LIFESTYLES WITHOUT CARE IN THE WORLD FOR US? THE PEOPLE MUST STAND UP FOR OUR DUES; LEST WE CAN NEVER LIVE A FULL LIFE. STRIKE AND OR PICKETING IS NOT USEFUL OPTION. IT GIVES THEM JOY TO SEE INCREASED SUFFERING ON US: WHENEVER WE TAKE TO THE STREET, THEY THINK THEY HAVE POWER AND ARE RELEVANT. SO, WHAT WE NEED DO IS: TO BE ANTI-ACTIVE BY PRAYING AGAINST THEM(DO NOT MIND THE RELIGIOUS PLACES AND THEIR GROUPS: MANY IN THEM ARE ONE AND THE SAME OPPRESSORS. SO, PRAY WITHIN YOU) AND ENSURING THAT WE STAND FOR OURSELVES. THOSE WHO HAVE ACCESS IN VARIOUS FIELDS IN JOBS UTILIZE IT TO DEMONSTRATE/OPPOSE ALL UNFAIRNESS. LET US SPEND SOME TIMES FOR OUR NEED. THE ARMED FORCES THEY USE AT US ARE HUMAN BEIGNS LIKE US AND THEY HAVE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. WE MUST BE UNITED WHEREVER WE MAY BE AND OR FIND OURSELVES. MEAN WHAT YOU SAY AND ACT IT FOR WHOLE FREEDOM. OPEN YOUR MIND, HEART, HEAD, MOUTH, AND SPEAK THE WORDS FROM NATURAL BREATH TO EFFECT JUSTICE FOR ALL. LET YOUR LEGS MOVE FOR BEAUTY, YOUR HANDS, EARS, EYES AND NOSE DO ITS SHARE.
08:11 PM on 08/26/2012
COMMUNITIES AND ACROSS THE UNIVERSE WHEN SPACE IS NOT EVENLY SHARED AND OR ACCESSED. HOUSING LEGISLATORS MUST SCRUTINIZE THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR ADMINISTRATORS AND THEIR BACK DOOR ADVISERS.
HEALTHCARE IS DENIED TO ALL AND MEDICATING EVERYONE IS THE IMPLICIT PRACTICES. WE MUST BE GIVEN HEALTHCARE ALLOWANCE FOR US TO BUY OUR DUE HEALTH NEEDS FROM WHERE IT IS USEFUL FOR US.
ARE WE NOT ALL DUE TRANSPORT AS THE STATE RULERS AND THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR FELLOWS? TRAVELING ALLOWANCE FOR ALL IRRESPECTIVE. ALLOWANCE THAT ENABLE CHOICES AS THEY TAKE FROM OUR WEALTH.

EDUCATION MUST BE FREE FROM KINDERGARTEN TO FIRST DEGREE AND OR ITS EQUIVALENT IN BLUE COLLAR WORK TRAINING. EDUCATION IS THE MOST ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER WITHOUT BLOODSHED AND OR WARS. WE MUST BE ALL EDUCATED AND NOT ONLY THE FEW TO RULE US.

RULERS OF THE STATE AND THE GOVERNMENT MUST GO BACK TO THE BOARDROOMS FOR POLICIES THAT MEET OUR NEEDS TO ENABLE US LIVE AND SECURE OUR DESIRES WITHOUT HAVING TO KILL AND LOOT AS THEY HAVE DONE AND INSTRUCT US TO FOLLOW SUITE.
08:10 PM on 08/26/2012
THE RATE OF DISFRANCHISED PEOPLE BECAUSE OF AGE AND OR OTHERS IS QUITE TROUBLING. IT IS MOST CERTAIN THAT EVEN INFANTS KNOW THEIR DUES AND MUST BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS/OPINION ON THOSE WHO MAKE LAWS FOR THEM; IN THE SAME WAY THEY INTERACT WITH THEIR PARENTS, GUARDIANS, FRIENDS AND OR SIBLINGS. ALL AGES AND ALL PEOPLE IRRESPECTIVE ACTUALIZE THE ECONOMY IF NOTHING ELSE QUALIFIES US. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ALLOW ONLY FEW PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION TO VOTE. IT WILL BE MOST WELCOME FOR ALL WHO ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE TO CEASE FROM ATTENDING SCHOOLS, JOINING THE SECURITY FORCES AND OR EVEN PAYING TAXES AND INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE GIVEN THEIR POLITICAL DUES.
ANOTHER TROUBLING ISSUE IS EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, HOUSING AND TRANSPORT. ALL THE RULERS OF THE STATE AND THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR DESCENDERS ARE SO PRIVILEGED AND HAVE EXCESS MATERIAL WEALTH IN THEIR CONTROL, YET THEY WERE AND ARE STILL GIVEN FREE EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, HOUSING(OF THEIR CHOICE/PALACES, MANSIONS WITH HUGE GARDENS, GARAGES FOR SEVERAL CARS, AND EVEN SWIMMING POOLS AND ALL SORTS OF LEISURE FACILITIES. TODAY ESPECIALLY, THE STATE AND THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR FELLOWS LOCK US ALL OUT: INCLUDING AND MOSTLY CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, TEENAGERS, THE UNDER THIRTY FIVES, AND THE EXCEPTIONALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE. SPACE IS THE MOST VITAL FACTOR IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND FUNCTIONAL PRODUCTIVITY. IT STARTS FROM EVEN THE WOMB AND ESPECIALLY FROM INFANCY THROUGH THE AGING DURATION. ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE THE SAME. TROUBLES AND WARS HAPPEN IN FAMILIES,
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Edgar H
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01:41 PM on 08/26/2012
Are you angry with your parents for letting her join or with the Army for accepting her?
08:15 PM on 08/26/2012
NONE. SHE MUST BE ALLOWED ALL HER OTHER DUES. ALL HER AGE GROUP AND OTHERS MUST BE ALLOWED TO LEAD FULL LIVING.
07:02 PM on 08/25/2012
I would no more permit my 16 yr young daughter to join the army than I would allow her to have sex in my house. Thankfully she is far too sensible to try for either (in the house anyway). I can't run her life for her but I can at least try to guide her. Children that age should concentrate on schooling - not getting shot at.Unless, of course, they are not capable of further education or working to earn a living.
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Dombeyandson
06:49 AM on 08/24/2012
Not this hoary old chestnut again!! 16 year old "soldiers" are not old enough for combat duties and would not be assigned to theatres of war - declared or undeclared. When the eligible voting age was 21 years and National Service meant every 18 year old male had to join up for active service the cry was the same. Too young to vote yet not too old to fight. Is there actually any point in contemplating yet another lowering of the age of "responsibility" and "eligibility" to vote when only 25% of those who can don't. At 16 they could enter into contracts and be liable for adult affairs and act as adults does this necessarily afford them the capacity to vote without abject radicalism? Remember it could also refelct on a lowering of the age whereby at 16 years a person could be elected to Parliament, jury service, to local council. Not that at 16 a person is not entitled to an opinion to be heard,out of the mouths of babes and so on... We are scratching around when heralding the prospect of reducing the voting age as many older don't and cannot face up to responsibility. Before contemplating 16 year old votes why not radicalise and make voting mandatory. It would not be an invasion of civil liberties but an enhancement with a little push to avoid this continuous farce of minority governments