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Six Nations: Why Are the English So Universally Disliked?

Posted: 14/03/2012 23:00

The Six Nations approaches it's climactic weekend, and it's got me thinking. What makes it so special, what makes it so brilliant and so bloody gut wrenching? It's a bit like house matches at school, they were often more intense and violent than games against other schools. Why?

Because you were against people that you knew, and knew well and you either liked or disliked them, both gave it an edge. The Six Nations has the same feel, it is played against 'neighbours' and the best bit about it is that this feeling includes the fans too. We all have mates who are Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Italian and even French... even I do, not that I admit it in public!

So the games we either play in, or sit watching, have the incredible importance of bragging rights, for a whole year!!! Now that is pressure. And that is what makes it so gripping for fans, knowing that a whole year of humour and bragging is being decided in those precious 80 minutes.

As a player, the feelings are not too dissimilar, as I hated the idea that players could walk off that pitch, looking you straight in the eye having beaten you! Unbearable. And then of course there was the added problem of being English... and trust me in the Six Nations that causes quite a problem, in fact come to think of it, it causes quite a problem against all countries...

Why is that? Why are the English so universally disliked in the Six Nations, and why are we the team all the others want to beat? Well there we go, I think we have the answer right there; the sheer arrogance of believing that we are the team all the other countries want to beat the most. Sorted! But we are...

Is it history? I remember reading a Scottish broadsheet paper that compared me to Edward Longshanks. For god's sake! I have never been compared to anything 'long' in my life. I love the passion of the Welsh, the Scots, the Irish, the pretence at nonchalance by the French, but the English are not allowed to be passionate. It is taken as arrogance, although granted we do 'do' arrogance very naturally...

Before I played the Grand Slam deciding game against Scotland in 1995, a Scottish journalist interviewed me at the Cafe Royal. He was very polite, biting his tongue for most of the interview when he obviously really disliked me (and you couldn't blame him) until his last question: "So Will, how do you take to the fact that the whole of Scotland hate you?" I paused, and looked him in the eye and replied, "That's okay."

He was surprised, "Really?"

"Sure", I said, "because I ******* hate you more!"

He dropped his pen "you cannot say that!"

"Why?", I asked, "you can hate me, but I can't hate you back?"

"Exactly!", he said.

And in that moment you get the Six Nations. We English have to understand the passion the other countries have, we have to respect it and be hugely wary of it. But at the same time, we should be passionate too, we have to be to stand any chance of winning.

But for us fans, not the players, we have to ensure that humour is always apparent in the passion. That for me is what is truly special, that we can be passionate, at times childishly so. But that when it comes to the crunch, we have to have humour and the realisation that although it does not feel it right there, right at that moment of losing or winning, it is just a bloody game! But a great one and a really great tournament.

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17:53 on 19/03/2012
Having read Will's article about the Six Nations I was disappointed that reference to the dislike of players played such a huge role. I believe that emotions such as dislike or hatred have no place in sport - even a hugely physical contact sport like rugby. What ever happened to the notion that Ruby is played by gentlemen and football is played by... well you get my drift I am sure.
05:35 on 18/03/2012
I disagree with your premise that the English being universally disliked has anything to do with the English.

If you look you will find that many peoples are universally disliked in the media of many countries, but not in the media of their own country. For instance the Americans are roundly criticized and blamed for everything by the media of many nations, but not in American media. Once as an aide to President Kissinger, George Bush the Elder went to China & met Chairman Mao. There was a state sanctioned anti-American protest going on; flag burning, effigies, screaming, whatever. Chairman Mao told George not to worry about it.

The principle of this is that the media synthesizes ready to beat scapegoats who are not present to defend themselves. For political blame, a foreign country is the standard target. Get your 2 minute hate on, but never against the Glorious Leader. The worse things get, the more the scapegoat is abused, but they are always dragged out often enough so that even the dumbest people can remember who to blame.

Of course there are some people who have legitimate reasons to hate the English or the governing class of every country. Conveniently, the persistent media spin dilutes and distracts from these issues.

The 1% who control the media don't want well educated people who can make informed, responsible decisions about our future. They wants to dictate to us what they want. Slavery by information control.
19:21 on 16/03/2012
This is funny, it must be very deeply entrenched... I am 50% welsh 25% Scots and 25% English but when asked I'll admit to the two Celtic ancestors and ignore the English ancestor... I have no idea why?
13:06 on 17/03/2012
I can help out there Mashallah. I am guessing that you were born in England? Had you been born in brave, beautiful Scotland or passionate, dragon fuelled Wales - you of course wouldn't be carrying out the embarrassing exercise of climbing your family tree in search of some colour. You deny being English because you think it is dull, whilst no doubt enjoying all of the fabulous advantages that my nationality affords one, particularly if you're living here in England ... are you?

Or maybe you're none of the above? Maybe you were not even born in UK? But now reside here?

My trick is to check my birth certificate - if it says you were bron in England ... you're English. 100% English. Born in Wales ........ yup - Welsh. 100% Welsh. This is a powerful first step in discovering 'who' you really are. Good luck on your journey.

Peace out.
02:35 on 18/03/2012
Actually I relate to the song "I was made in England...." but born in Canada. My parents emigrated from England in the 60's after they were prevented from immigrating to Australia due to limits in the number of skilled workers who were allowed to leave during the year. I guess I was very much influenced by my mother who is 100% Welsh (Llewellyn) and very proud of it, and my equally proud Marshall clan Grandmother. My dad has always been quietly proud of his English roots as he is related to the wireless operator on the titanic and several of his Dad's relations were talented inventors but he's only really started telling us about them all now and showing off the family relics to prove it. Its sad he waited til we were all grown up to start boasting, none of us had a clue.. Just a few days ago the local news came to his house to interview him about some of his relatives.. who knew!!
02:47 on 18/03/2012
I guess most people who have roots elsewhere look back at where their parents came from and romanticize it a bit to set themselves a little apart from the crowd. My gran used to take me back to Britain every second summer and while I am very glad to be Canadian it was nice to try to imagine what life would have been like if my parents had stayed put. Canada has been very good to us, looking back now and knowing how the relatives who stayed there live now, it doesn't take all that much imagination to know we are far better off for the move. Its wonderful to know that being a proud Canadian doesn't mean I can't also be an equally proud Welsh/Scot/.... English woman :o)
18:27 on 16/03/2012
Easy one this. 10seconds only on every news channel about Wales going for the Grand Slam. 10 minutes on why England are not.
00:02 on 18/03/2012
Are you joking? Rugby coverage on the BBC is a massive Welsh love-in.
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11:59 on 18/03/2012
I would presume you're English by your errr, "national flag?"
11:24 on 16/03/2012
Hi Will - @RuckinRugby here. Great article - thanks, but a few things still bug me. You are right in that, we (The English) have to expect everyone to hate us and to make sure our passion is with humour - whereas the Welsh and Scottish invariably get extremely personal and vicious ... but why is that? You've asked the question ... but not answered it. I find that I can talk quite happily about the 6 Nations with Welsh, Irish and Scottish mates and they will often be complementary about the English team - as I will be of theirs. So why do the 'press' and celebrities like yourself and Healy have to over exaggerate this 'hatred'? Is it to try and make a regular game of rugby something 'more'? I don't think the majority of players these days carry any level of personal hatred towards their opposition, anymore than 'normal' fans like myself and/or my mates do - and I think that the majority of this stuff is inflammatory to try and build more of an 'atmosphere' ... when it really isn't needed - we are all excited enough about seeing any match in this great tournament as (nearly) all the teams are so closely matched. This dredging up of past divisions, hatred and wars etc is no better than sexism or racism and it encourages the feeble minded - IMO - and gives them 'permission' to act in such a way, when icons such as yourself actively
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07:09 on 16/03/2012
The English are similar to Americans on how they view the world. The English once ruled the seas, the sun never sets on the English Empire, by jove. America is now trying the same thing but in a much more tactical way! The Brits drink tea and the Americans drink coffee and that is the biggest difference.
As we see, history is repeating it's self through shear arrogance and bluster.
11:50 on 18/03/2012
It wasn't an English Empire and it wasn't referred to as such. To define it in such limited terms ignores the massive contribution made by, in particular, the scots.

The celts want to wipe their hands clean but those within the union were very much part of it, for better and worse.
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21:17 on 18/03/2012
English was a poor choice of a word! The term universally known by people over 50 is "the sun never sets on the British Empire". I was educated in a Commonwealth country in the 50's and now through historical discovery I see the horrendous lasting effects of colonization. The Middle East and Africa are a typical examples. The lies of the British to the Arab world during WWI, and the continuation of this arrogant ideology, now including the USA, has set up a Pandora's box that will never close.
22:35 on 15/03/2012
As a Jock, I need to be very careful in how I phrase this. Probably when "they win" by a whisker. Or they kick to victory , the outrage begins NOT with the English Rugby Team, but with the MEDIA.
Usually I am sitting there forlorn when my Team is beaten none more so than this year! When the BBC come on to report in their non bias approach how England "demolished" "outpaced" "showed fortitude and courage" and generally beat the C**p out of every one. The hackles get up and then ... England becomes the focal point as 9 times out of 10 I was watching a different game.
I would say then, we universally "dislike" Engaalnd.... Hate is too strong.....
Perhaps a modicum of reserve would not go amiss , instead of thinking "ye we is England we was Brill" .
All I can say....England been there done it......Prefer Scotland....
15:17 on 16/03/2012
Again - you're taking an 'output' from the media - tainting with your 'chip' and then blaming YOUR subsequent output on the general English public. Is there a point?

Briefly: If a match ends 22-20 - the press will then say that team A outclassed, outran and outwitted team B. This is because they don't think anyone will read an article headed "A squeaked past B in an exciting and evenly matched contest". You are tainting this by suggesting that ONLY English media do this and ONLY when England win.

My advice would be to take a deep breath, think rationally about why you would want the whole world to believe you hate me, and every other English person despite never meeting 99% of us - and then try to say something constructive.

My only hope is that most people posting here are very young.

Peace out.
21:39 on 15/03/2012
Are the English universally disliked? Or is it just footballers?
21:34 on 15/03/2012
LOL- Will Carling!
19:59 on 15/03/2012
.A great article; as a South African I certainly don't hate The English. Sure, they must never beat The Springboks but, at the end of the day, England’s rugby teams have provided scintillating games over the years and the side who won the world cup in 2003 are, arguably, one of the best in the history of Rugby Union.
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18:43 on 15/03/2012
I think it's only fellow caucasians and those with a chip on their shoulder who dislike the English. I was born and brought up in south-east Asia in a former British colony and I and my fellow countrymen thank God that we were under British rule. They were fair and just and brought much progress to my part of the world. We always support England in sports, especially in football. In fact, our neighbouring countries who were under Dutch and French rule have not done as well as us. Reader sheilanovitz is full of nonsense. For the record, they were BRITISH colonialists, which means English, Welsh, Scots and Irish which shows how little she knows.
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18:35 on 15/03/2012
"Why are English disliked" ?.I think it's mostly due to them having a reputation of being shirt lifting homosexuals
18:04 on 15/03/2012
I am a rugby fan and been all over the globe supporting England, and i have to say I have never had anything but a great time, with my fellow English supporters, and with the opposition supporters, We have drank together before, during and after the game, I cannot recall one fight or arguement at a match, I dont know anyone arrested for violence or intimidating behaviour. And yet the fans are as passionate in thier support of thier Team as any football fan, yes they like to beat the English, but i have never felt universally disliked as a rugby fan, our football fans may be a different matter however... Oh, and sheilanovitz, get help dear..
16:23 on 15/03/2012
I don't know about the Six Nations. I am unsure as to why the English are universally disliked.But I do know exactly why I personally dislike the English. In every country they colonised, they treated the locals like dirt. They believed themselves superior to everyone; they committed massacres when they felt like it. They expelled all Jews in the Middle Ages, Jews born in England. Why? Because they were Jews. All were blamed for "killing Jesus", when the Romans were the guilty ones. When Jews were allowed back into England, they were forced by the government into usury and tax collecting. Jews being permitted simply to LIVE in England was conditional upon their absolute servitude to the government. When Hitler was in power, England accepted a small quota of Jewish refugees, then closed their doors to Jews, allowing them to "pass through" only if they held visas for America. Then England WATCHED while they knew millions of Jews were being murdered, refusing in 1944 to bomb railway lines to Auschwitz. Jews trying to escape being massacred in Europe tried to return to the British Mandate of Palestine, which they regarded as their ancient homeland. When the English didn't turn those ships around so that many thousands more died, they shoved the refugees into concentration camps on Cyprus, treating them exactly as the Nazis had done. This may give all of us a tiny clue as to why the English are universally hated and despised.
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17:08 on 15/03/2012
I think you will find that the jewish people have done very well over here, Disraeli. Rothschild banking dynasty, M&S, Sainsbury`s. I do not think the english had been invented when jesus was alive. We had a lot on our plate during ww2 and do not forget america did they bomb the railway lines or help the jews in anyway? No because like us we were trying to defeat the nazis.
Thousands of jews were allowed into britain during the pograms in eastern europe during the 19th centuary. I wished we could have done alot more to help the jewish people during ww2 but we had our backs to the wall in defending ourselves.
22:21 on 15/03/2012
Most of your comments are unfair.The English were one of the least anti-semitic of nations during the Middle Ages, which isn't saying a lot, admittedly. In the Second World War, we learned about the holocaust quite early on (in 1943) but only through our Ultra decrypts and Winston Churchill had to be very careful how he responded in order to protect this on-going source of information. If we lost Ultra, it is likely we would have lost the war, and then we could have been unable to do anything to prevent the Holocaust. As it was, Churchill bravely risked ultra by warning the Germans that we knew what was going on.
I'm afraid the UK was in a cleft stick re Palestine because we had a responsibility to the Palestinians as well.
16:04 on 15/03/2012
Any nation that encourages its rugby supporters to adopt an "anthem" that has no relevance whatsoever to that nation's heritage deserves a hateful verbal lashing as well as a damn good hiding on the pitch. Scotland's fans have "Scotland the Brave", etc. Welsh fans have "Land of My Fathers", etc. Irish fans have "Ireland", etc. French fans have the thoroughly uplifting "La Marseillaise" and English fans sing ... er ... "Swing Low Sweet Chariot". D'oh! England: not only hated, but a laughing stock too. William Blake and Sir Hubert Parry to the rescue please ... and soon!
11:38 on 16/03/2012
I think you'll find that we aren't allowed anything 'English' as that would be inflammatory. I'm sure it was Will who pushed for Land of Hope and Glory and I personally used to love the Pompey gun crew getting ready for a run with 'Jerusalem' - but there you go. Such is life.
12:23 on 16/03/2012
Ain't THAT the truth ruckinrugby! Amen to everything you say. I absolutely agree that 'Jerusalem' should be our rugby terrace (if not our national) anthem. Yes, I am an Englisman and a former rugby player. And, like you I suspect, I am deeply dismayed by the sorry state of our once proud nation. Every time I hear "Swing Low..." building from the rugby terraces, I grab my remote and press mute. Not doing so is not good for my blood pressure!