Cameron Urges Courts To Issue More Tough Sentences

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First Posted: 17/08/11 19:09 BST Updated: 17/10/11 11:12 BST

David Cameron has encouraged judges to continue giving tough sentences for people convicted of rioting offences, even as a backlash against the 'zero tolerance' approach taken by some magistrates continues to grow.

Responding to critics who reacted angrily on Tuesday after two men were jailed for four years for unsuccessfully attempting to incite riots on Facebook, the prime minister said that criminal acts "would not be tolerated" by the public.

Cameron said: "What happened on our streets was absolutely appalling behaviour, and to send a very clear message that it's wrong and won't be tolerated is what the criminal justice system should be doing."

"They decided in that court to send a tough sentence, send a tough message, and I think it's very good that courts are able to do that."

Critics of the courts were given fresh ammunition Wednesday, however, after a 17-year-old college student was spared jail for attempting to incite friends to riot on Facebook by Bury St Edmunds youth court.

The boy wrote a message on the site which said: "It's about time we stood up for ourselves for once. So come on rioters – get some. LOL." Some of the boy's 400 friends responded to the message, some just to call him an idiot.

The student was banned from social networking sites for 12 months and will serve 120 hours community service and a 12-month rehabilitation order. He will also live under a 7pm curfew for 12 weeks.

But compared to the four year sentences imposed on the two men in Chester the sentence will be seen by some as inconsistent.

The boy's solicitor Paul Booty said that there had been a "knee-jerk reaction" to the riots, and asked for the magistrates to rise above the pressure to impose custodial sentences on every defendant.

He said: "My concern, not necessarily for this case but for cases up and down the country, is that there will also be an awful lot of appeals."

The boy told magistrates that the messages on Facebook were not intended to be serious. He said: "I meant it as a joke which is why I wrote LOL at the end."

Liberal Democrats and justice groups have questioned some of the tough sentences handed down to riot offenders. Speaking on Newsnight on Tuesday, the party's home affairs spokesman, Tom Brake, said sentencing should not be about "retribution".

"Clearly there are cases where offenders who have committed very serious crimes should expect very serious sentences and that is what I expect to happen. But there have been some cases where people who have committed petty offences have received sentences which, if they had committed the same offence the day before the riots, they would not have received a sentence of that nature," he told the programme.

Tessa Munt, the MP for Wells, told the Guardian the plans were "bonkers, bonkers, bonkers" and only served to make headlines instead of "calm, rational policy-making".

Another senior Liberal Democrat, the party's home affairs spokeswoman in the House of Lords, Lady Hamwee, also told the paper there should be "zero tolerance for zero tolerance".

Their comments came as a spokesperson for the Howard League For Penal Reform told the Times there was a "complete lack of proportionality" in some cases.

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David Cameron has encouraged judges to continue giving tough sentences for people convicted of rioting offences, even as a backlash against the 'zero tolerance' approach taken by some magistrates cont...
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David Cameron has encouraged judges to continue giving tough sentences for people convicted of rioting offences, even as a backlash against the 'zero tolerance' approach taken by some magistrates cont...
David Cameron has encouraged judges to continue giving tough sentences for people convicted of rioting offences, even as a backlash against the 'zero tolerance' approach taken by some magistrates cont...
 
 
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Theatrixnyc
Remember John Lennon:Power To The People!
08:11 PM on 08/24/2011
(rrrrrriiinnnnggg) Maid: "Hello....oh, one moment...Mr. Cameron, Credibility is on Line One, and you still have Rupert Murdoch holding on Line 2.
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Lawyer13
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11:10 AM on 08/18/2011
Cameron is right to advocate harsh sentences for people who RIOT and LOOT, it is the only way that a message will be sent out to people who act in such an antisocial manner, they deserve all they get and more.
lastpost
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10:00 AM on 08/18/2011
tough sentences"
Do you want actual transparency? Do you want real democracy?

"criminal acts "would not be tolerated" by the public."
Tolerating them and getting the constabulary to do anything about them, are two totally separate things.

"a 17-year-old college student"
stroke uneducated, stroke mindless, stroke yob, stroke etcetera.

"inconsistent"
CAM

"there are cases where offenders who have committed very serious crimes should expect very serious sentences"
But we have to let them walk free. Simply because we need the secure accommodation to incarcerate youngsters caught pilfering in the vicinity of rioters.

"bonkers"
Is that the polite term for f**kbrains?

"a "complete lack of proportionality""
Welcome, to the Planet of the (not too bright) Apes…
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07:42 AM on 08/18/2011
Cameron shouldn't be attempting to influence sentencing by judges.

People in authority shouldn't be abusing their position by having a tantrum and acting out against those who committed crimes during the riots, acting as thugs themselves.

Professionals are not supposed to cave under pressure succumbing to aggression invoked by frustration.

Don't try to use public outrage to usher in precedents sympathetic with the ongoing over-criminalization of the public.

Stick to precedents set in case law.

Passing 'tougher sentences' for criminal acts committed during a riot sends the message that crimes committed outside of that context are more acceptable.
lolly caust
It is the empty seats that listen most raptly
06:30 AM on 08/18/2011
disproportionate sentences coupled with the most surveilled (via cctv) country in the world = huge problem.
i'd like to suggest protests, but all things considered, that probably wouldn't go over too well.
sit-ins in the streets of central london might work, but considering the current, um, animus of the establishment to anything that smacks of anti-authoritarianism, y'all might be screwed there as well.
so i'll just commiserate with you over the loss of civil liberties, the loss of economic opportunities and remind you to vote - with your wallet as well as at the ballot box.

good luck, fellow wage slaves.
03:59 AM on 08/18/2011
Britain, If you'd like to see where the road of longer prison sentences leads; may I present the United States starting with a murder rate that has been 7-9 times higher than Britain's over the past decade? There are better, more intelligent answers. LibDems could team up with Labour & the SNP to force the issue, but that seems doubtful.

Please don't turn into another America. I'd lose my favorite place on Planet Earth.
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FTracy3
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03:13 AM on 08/18/2011
No harsh punishments! Rioters should be given whatever they want and the biggest damn flat screen TV a government truck can haul. That'll teach 'em!
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Steve Lane
12:26 PM on 08/18/2011
Quite right. Thats the treatment looting bankers got!
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Theatrixnyc
Remember John Lennon:Power To The People!
08:12 PM on 08/24/2011
and a bonus, on the tax payers dime!
01:02 AM on 08/18/2011
The UK seems to be suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome. They are beaten down so bad on the homefront from bullies that they imported during the last 40 years as imigrants that they now are turning on each other trying to impress the bully.

The whole thing is amusing to watch in the USA. We have these same problems. The thing is that when you break down diveristy in the end Diversity = Fire and everything burning down the the ground.
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BoudiccaBlanc
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12:39 AM on 08/18/2011
How about some "tough sentences" for the Banksters and Politicians?
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Theatrixnyc
Remember John Lennon:Power To The People!
08:13 PM on 08/24/2011
and 'hackers' or 'buggers' - take your pick....
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BoudiccaBlanc
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08:33 PM on 08/24/2011
The "Banksters" and their Globalist-Corporatist minions (which include politicians) are a danger to life on this planet!

These are the people who start wars and then pay both sides.
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11:58 PM on 08/17/2011
God old David Cameron. What a wonderful Prime Minister we have. Everyone needs to read the following article from The Financial Times on-line and then conceder the morality of David Cameron - http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/04/exclusive-david-cameron-and-the-bullingdon-night-of-the-broken-window/­#axzz1V6R82zIf” In view of his own colourful, if not somewhat hidden past, pity that Dave couldn't stand by his '. . . everyone deserves a second chance . . ' comment that he used in defense of his hiring of his old friend Coulson. Cameron, nothing more than a PR man himself, has become a bit of a chameleon as he tries to be all things to all men. However, I feel that he has forgotten the old comment by Abraham Lincoln that "you can fool some of the people all of the time . . .".
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Z-Liberator
Republicans are scared men of narrow vision,
11:51 PM on 08/17/2011
Cameron is going to create Jobs by hiring more prison guards, after filling its prison galleys with British citizens.
lilacluvr
Republicans need to clean up their own damn mess!
11:46 PM on 08/17/2011
Isn't this the same DAvid Cameron that routinley allowed Rupert Murdoch and his fellow phone hackers into the back door at the Prime Minister's residence?

I wonder if Cameron will be advocating for harsh sentences in any case brought for that phone hacking scandal?
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Saxton
03:55 AM on 08/18/2011
Yes, do tell how will Cameron wag his finger proclaiming shame on David and Rupert Murdoch for their criminal activity. But I'm sure Cameron has learned well from his employer Murdoch that the rich are too important and superior to be held accountable for their crimes.
11:36 PM on 08/17/2011
The Lib Dems were for strong sentences a ferw days ago but suddenly have changed thier minds. Of course this is normal practice for the Lib Dems.
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11:17 PM on 08/17/2011
ENGLISH POLICE STATE!
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scsfoxrabbit
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12:04 AM on 08/18/2011
A bit like China?