Eurozone Crisis: Merkel Says UK 'Still An Important Partner' Despite Veto (Live Blog)

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Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 14/12/11 16:51 Updated: 14/12/11 17:41

Angela Merkel said the UK remains a key partner in the European Union, despite her "regrets" that David Cameron to pulled out of crisis talks over the eurozone last Friday.

Speaking in the Bundestag, the German chancellor said it was regrettable that Britain was not part of the process, agreed in frantic talks last week, that pledged to create enforceable fiscal rules within the eurozone and to move towards greater economic integration.

But she added: "I have no doubt that in the future Britain will also be an important partner in the European Union.

"Britain is not only an important partner in foreign and security affairs. Britain is a partner in many other areas - in competitiveness, in the internal market, in trade, in [fighting] climate change."

Britain was the only country out of the 27 EU member states not to back the new treaty, leading to many in Europe and at home forecasting that it would be left isolated.

The chancellor's olive branch comes at a point when the cracks in the EU plan are starting to show, with protests in Poland highlighting that the implementation of the treaty may take longer than the three-to-six months that European leaders anticipated.

The prime minister had to deny in parliamentary questions today that the UK would still be drawn into assisting with the EU bailout plan by the back door. Friday's agreement included a proposal to lend €200bn to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). According to the IMF's in-house publication, €150bn of that would come from eurozone members, with €50bn sourced from the rest of the EU.

The UK papers this morning seized on this as evidence that the opt-out had achieved little, and that the government was still heavily exposed to the eurozone's woes.

The European markets took a battering on Wednesday, with the German DAX and French CAC-40 falling 1.66% and 3.21%, respectively, as the close approached, as hopes faded that the European Central Bank (ECB) would be given a license to expand its bond buying programme. The FTSE-100 was down nearly 2.1%.

Merkel and the president of the Bundesbank, Jens Weidmann, reiterated their resistance to using the bank's unlimited liquidity, either to intervene directly or to lend money to the IMF.

Some in the market are saying that €1tr - provided through a combination of the ECB, the IMF and the European Financial Stability Facility - a eurozone bailout mechanism - will be needed to satisfy investors that Italy, Spain and peripheral countries can be supported enough to ensure that they do not default.

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Mariano Rajoy, who will be sworn in as prime minister of Spain on Wednesday, has lain out some of the measures his government intends to take to address Spain's looming budget deficit.

Rajoy told members of Parliament Monday that his government will pass a provisional 2012 budget by the end of December, according to the Financial Times.

Under Rajoy's plan, public sector hiring is expected to drop off sharply, and all forms of public spending except pensions will be vulnerable to cuts, the FT reports. The proposed budget aims to reduce Spain's deficit by €16.5 billion, according to BBC News.

Spain has an unemployment rate of nearly 23 percent, the highest of any developed economy. Rajoy told Parliament that measures to reform the labor market would be devised by the end of March.

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The credit ratings agency Fitch Ratings just downgraded five major European banks and banking groups: Credit Agricole in France, Rabobank Group in the Netherlands, Danske Bank in Denmark, OP Pohjola Group in Finland, and Banque Federative du Credit Mutuel in France.

From the press release:

The downgrades reflect the broader phenomenon of stronger headwinds facing the banking industry as a whole. Exposure to troubled Eurozone countries through their subsidiaries was a direct consideration in the downgrades of Danske Bank and Credit Agricole. For the other banks, however, Fitch considers the Eurozone crisis is also having negative indirect consequences. Capital markets, in particular interbank markets, are not functioning effectively, and, along with more global factors, the crisis is driving economic slowdown.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Fast-growing populist parties across Europe are ramping up their protests against ruling governments in response to last week's European summit deal to implement stricter rules to prevent European countries from spending more than allowed, according to The Financial Times.

From The Financial Times:

The trend made its most high-profile intrusion yet in Italy on Wednesday, when senators from the anti-EU Northern League heckled and jeered Mario Monti, the technocratic prime minister, as he was presenting his austerity programme.

The Northern League outburst came as populist leaders in Finland, Hungary and the Netherlands have also renewed attacks on government leaders. Several denounced a proposed intergovernmental treaty agreed at the summit on Friday, which would strictly limit spending in signatory countries.

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet agreed on Wednesday to reinstate Germany's state bailout fund, paving the way for Commerzbank, Germany's second largest bank, to receive a government rescue, according to The Financial Times.

From The Financial Times:

Officials in Berlin are privately sceptical that Commerzbank can keep to its pledge to shore up its capital without using more state funds. The bank received more than €18bn of aid during the financial crisis and remains 25 per cent state-owned.

Commerzbank was one of the biggest losers when the European Banking Authority this month published updated results of stress tests of European banks along with orders to plug any capital needs. Commerzbank, which owns €13bn of the peripheral eurozone debt at the heart of the continent’s fiscal crisis, saw its capital gap balloon from €2.9bn to €5.3bn because of the debt exposure.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Credit Agricole, France's third largest bank, announced on Wednesday that it would slash 2,350 jobs and not give stockholders a 2011 dividend, according to The Financial Times.

The bank also plans to deleverage its activities, cut bank its consumer finance unit, and desert operations in 21 countries, according to the FT.

European banks provide substantial financing to emerging economies in Latin America and Asia, according to some economists, so the retrenching of European banks is likely to be a double-whammy for the American economy: both by tightening credit in the United States and by hurting demand for American exports as businesses in emerging economies have trouble finding financing.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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European markets have taken something of a battering today, with all the major indices posting substantial losses. The euro fell to an 11-month low and Italy saw its 5-year bond yields rise to a euro-era high at an auction in the morning.

At the root of much of the turnaround in sentiment is renewed opposition to the use of the European Central Bank's "bazooka" to buy up European debt, or to inject money into the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for the same purpose.

The German DAX and French CAC-40 fell 1.6% and 3%, respectively, while the FTSE-100 was down more than 2% on a combination of domestic and European economic worries.

--Peter Guest

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Angela Merkel has said that she regrets that the UK is not involved in the newly negotiated treaty within the EU, but has reiterated that Britain remains an important partner to the EU and to Germany.

Speaking in the Bundestag, the German chancellor said it was regrettable that Britain was not part of the process, agreed in frantic talks last week, that pledged to create enforceable fiscal rules within the eurozone and to move towards greater economic integration.

But she added: "I have no doubt that in the future Britain will also be an important partner in the European Union.

"Britain is not only an important partner in foreign and security affairs. Britain is a partner in many other areas - in competitiveness, in the internal market, in trade, in [fighting] climate change."

The UK is the only country out of the 27 EU member states that is not part of a plan to better integrate the union's economies. Prime Minister David Cameron's decision to pull out of talks led to fears that Britain could become isolated from the EU, its largest trading partner.

--Peter Guest

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Germany, Europe's largest economy, will not be immune from the economic downturn plaguing Europe. The University of Munich's Ifo Institute forecasts that the German economy will grow just 0.4 percent next year -- much less than the 2.3 percent growth originally forecast in June, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

"The debt crisis is slowing down the German economy," the Ifo Institute said in the report.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The leader of Germany's liberal Free Democratic party unexpectedly resigned on Wednesday, highlighting the disorganization of the party, a junior partner in Angela Merkel's ruling coalition, as it struggles to define its eurozone policies, according to The Financial Times.

Christian Lindner, the party's chief manager, resigned without giving a clear explanation.

From The Financial Times:

The resignation confirms the perception of the FDP as a party without clear leadership or direction, undermining the coherence of the Merkel government and making all forms of decision-making in the coalition more complicated.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The European Central Bank needs to guarantee the maturing government debt of countries such as Italy and Spain so that their borrowing costs can fall back to a sustainable rate of about 4 percent, hedge fund manager John Paulson wrote in an op-ed in The Financial Times on Wednesday. Paulson is known for earning more than $15 billion for his firm by betting heavily against the housing market before the housing bubble burst.

In return, the ECB could collect a one percent annual guarantee fee, and it most likely never would have to act on the guarantee, so it would not cause inflation, Paulson wrote.

From the op-ed:

The benefits to this programme are many: it would immediately stabilise the sovereign credit market, it would not expand the ECB’s balance sheet, it would not cause inflation, it would keep interest costs low, and negate the need for the ECB to buy debt in the primary or secondary market. Since Italy and Spain are facing liquidity, not solvency issues, the guarantee would probably never be used, and the ECB would collect fees for its service.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Credit Agricole, one of France's largest banks, plans to slash up to 2,300 jobs as European markets come under stress and the European economy slides into recession, according to The New York Times.

"It's clear that at least 1,700 jobs will go at the corporate and investment bank," said Régis Dos Santos, head of the French national banking union, which found out about the plans from Credit Agricole's executives, according to the NYT. Dos Santos added that another 600 jobs could be cut from the consumer side of the business.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel again on Wednesday eliminated the possibility of issuing government bonds backed by the eurozone as a whole, which some economists say would calm the bond markets and end the crisis, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Merkel said that though the eurozone must move toward a fiscal union, euro bonds "aren't suitable as a rescue measure," according to the WSJ.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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By slashing their budgets, European countries are pushing themselves into a recession that will make it even harder for them to reduce their deficits as tax revenues fall, social service needs rise, and economic growth collapses, Reuters reported on Wednesday.

"The expansionary fiscal contraction story is a lie. You don't cut your way to growth," Stephen Kinsella, professor of economics at the University of Limerick, told Reuters.

From the article:

From Athens to Dublin, and almost everywhere in between, administrations are imposing wave after wave of spending cuts and tax increases to persuade investors they are serious about improving their public finances and persuade them to start buying euro zone sovereign debt again.

The austerity zeal risks tipping the continent back into recession and a downward spiral of austerity as pitiful growth prospects undermine budgetary targets and ramp up debt burdens, meaning further austerity is required.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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The value of the euro against the dollar plunged on Wednesday below $1.30 to a low of $1.2968, near the record low for the year in early January of 2012, according to the Associated Press. The plunge highlighted decreasing investor confidence in the future of the eurozone.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Jens Weidmann, president of the influential German central bank and a policymaker at the European Central Bank, said on Wednesday that he opposes further intervention by the ECB to bring down borrowing costs for governments, according to Reuters.

"I think the idea is astonishing that one can win confidence by breaking rules," Weidmann said.

Under European law, the ECB is not allowed to buy bonds directly from governments. It would require a treaty change for the ECB to be allowed to do so. Meanwhile, the ECB has been buying limited amounts of troubled government bonds from other investors.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Ireland and the three Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia), which embarked on budget cuts earlier than other European countries, saw their household consumption suffer the largest relative declines in the European Union, according to Eurostat, the EU's official statistics agency, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Household consumption in Ireland plummeted to 102 percent of the EU average in 2010 from 109 percent two years ago, in Lithuania consumption fell to 61 percent from 70 percent, and consumption in Latvia fell to 50 percent from 59 percent. In contrast, household consumption in Greece, which is in a depression, fell to 101 percent of the average from 104 percent, and in Portugal it increased from 83 percent to 84 percent of the EU average.

--Bonnie Kavoussi

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Angela Merkel has told the Bundestag that the UK is still a "very secure partner" in the EU, despite its veto over a new treaty on Friday, the BBC is reporting.

The chancellor said the countries had decided to have an "intermediate contract".

"I regret that the UK has not been able to join us on this journey," she said.

"But I also believe it's an important partner in the European Union... Great Britain has its own vital interest that the eurozone will overcome its own financial crisis."

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Just published on HuffPost UK - how the market-driven crisis response has further driven a wedge between the EU's institutions and politicians and its people.

There is a growing "legitimacy deficit" in the union, which has been widened by the crisis. As Jan Techau, from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said:

"If the European Union wants to go ahead with the integration steps that they agreed upon at the last summit, they have to develop a system on the other side of the spectrum that allows for popular participation. You have to come up with some idea about how you can pull people into the political process. That means elections."

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As Reuters reports, the difference between the Italian and German bond auctions could hardly be more pronounced. Germany will pay just 0.29% on debt sold today - lower even than a month ago, before the EU summit.

Sweden, outside the eurozone and triple-A rated, also saw investors willing to accept very low yields on an auction of 5-year bonds on Wednesday.

Expectations that measures to be agreed at the summit would prompt more aggressive ECB bond buying -- coupled with a new austerity package by the Rome emergency government aimed at staving off financial disaster -- had driven Italian yields lower last week.

But selling pressure returned after ECB President Mario Draghi dashed hopes the central bank would ramp up its purchases in response to the EU agreement on more stringent fiscal rules.

ECB sources told Reuters purchases would remain limited for the time being but analysts say a radical shift may be needed next year if the situation deteriorates.

As the Reuters story says, almost everyone was expecting the European Central Bank to intervene. It didn't, and until it changes its mind, there is little hope that investors will change their minds.

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By this time on Tuesday we had seen stock markets heading up and down, but the direction of travel is all south today. The CAC-40 and the DAX have both slipped further - down 1.81% and 1.18%, respectively.

It is not all banks, either. With industrial output figures pointing towards an imminent recession in the eurozone - hardly a surprise, but still not good news - other economically sensitive sectors, such as automotive manufacturers and mining companies, have also headed down.

The high yields on show at Italy's bond auction are also likely to have hit long term sentiment about that country's solvency.

Some of the fall is down to disappointment over a lack of stimulus from the US Federal Reserve last night, traders said, although there are so many factors in play, everyone could be trading on their own bad news.

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Investors have demanded a euro-era record high yield of 6.47% on five-year Italian bonds. This compares to a yield (the amount of interest investors demand on the debt) of 6.29% at a similar auction a month ago.

Despite the relative success of a Spanish 12-month debt auction yesterday, it seems that bond markets are only interested in short term paper from the eurozone periphery. This, effectively, means that investors are not holding out too much hope that heavily indebted countries in Europe will be in a much better place in the medium-to-long-term.

Markets are supposed to have been reassured that they will not face "haircuts" on their holdings or European debt - as those who own Greek bonds did - however, with a lot of uncertainty over the crisis plan still in the market, it is not surprising that investors are unwilling to make a call.

The rising cost of borrowing could undermine Italy's hopes of cutting its debt load and avoiding a bailout, and if the trend continues it could increase pressure on European institutions to find the resources to backstop Italian debt.

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Trade looks very thin on the French and German markets, but both are down - 1.13% and 0.49%, respectively, as of 10.30 GMT. It looks very much like the same story as yesterday, with uncertainty over Friday's deal eroding confidence, but not enough for investors to commit to the notion of failure.

With very little to add to the public debate in Europe until after Thursday's ECB meeting, it is hardly surprising that traders have been reticent to buy into an information vacuum.

The FTSE has much stronger volumes, but is also suffering - down 0.6% - on the back of yet more worrying economic data. Figures released by the Office of National Statistics on Wednesday showed that unemployment has hit 17-year highs in the UK, adding to fears that the country could slip back into a recession.

“Government austerity measures are taking their toll on employment numbers and will continue to do so for many months to come," Richard Driver, analyst at Caxton FX said in an email. The private sector is failing to pick up the slack left by private sector cuts and the picture for UK youth employment is looking very poor, with the figure alarmingly up at 20%. Wage growth is also down, which is no surprise, but at least consumer inflation is coming down.

“The risks of another UK dip into recession are ever-increasing and today’s employment numbers do little to indicate otherwise.

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Eurozone industrial production fell - again - in October, according to figures out today. However, the 0.1% slip was moderate compared to the 2.0% slide in September. Even so, the data does not augur well for the final quarter, or for GDP overall.

Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight, wrote in a note this morning:

Eurozone manufacturers are now very much on the back foot and finding life extremely challenging as domestic demand is hit by tighter fiscal policy across the region, squeezed consumer purchasing power, and heightened Eurozone sovereign debt tensions leading to tightening credit conditions and financial market turmoil.

Substantially adding to manufacturers’ problems slower global growth has hit foreign demand for Eurozone goods hard (as was highlighted by the fifth successive and sharp contraction in manufacturing export orders in November reported by the purchasing managers). Manufacturing activity has also come under pressure from the waning of inventory rebuilding and high jumps in input costs earlier this year.

At least though, input prices are now retreating, while the current softening of the euro will also be welcomed by most manufacturers.

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The talk of the British newspapers this morning is the uncertainty over whether the UK will still have to pay part of the €200bn loan to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that was proposed as part of the EU agreement last Friday.

According to the IMF's internal magazine, €150bn of the €200bn loan that EU leaders have proposed to give to the IMF to fund future bailouts will be paid by eurozone member states, with the rest contributed by non-euro countries within the union.

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European markets have opened down, following US markets, which fell after the Federal Reserve gave no indication that it would take action to stimulate the economy, even as eurozone worries weigh heavy on investors there.

Here's a quick summary of Tuesday's action.

  • The "six pack" of measures designed to bring countries back on track towards fiscal stability came into force. Crucially, these include sanctions for countries that fail to keep their public deficit below 3% of gross domestic product (GDP), and an "excessive deficit procedure" - a readjustment programme - for governments with debt of more than 60% of GDP.
  • The IMF said that Greece's economy will shrink by 6% in 2012, more than the country's government's predictions of 5.5%.
  • European Markets slid back slightly, but volumes have been small as investors keep their powder dry.
  • A Spanish short term bond auction went fairly well, with good cover and more moderate yields, but 10-year debt from both Spain and Italy have seen their yields drifting upwards again.
  • The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) sold short term debt with strong cover, despite fears that it may see its debt downgraded.
  • David Cameron has been warned by senior EU officials that his veto on Friday won't protect the banks, and that his proposals would have damaged the single market.

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22:10 on 19/12/2011
Substantial modifications will require national referendums. On top of that, Sarkozy is still blocking pan Eurobonds advocated by Merkel, which is the only supra national fund raising mechanism that can possibly work.

The reality here is that Germany is imposing austerity and fiscal discipline on the rest of Europe, and non-Germans may not necessarily like it. So the next wave of optimism is likely to once again bear the bitter fruit of disappointment, taking the beleaguered European currency down to $1.29 in Q1, 2012.

For those of you who have followed my advice to sell short the euro, there is an 800 pound gorilla in the room to deal with. The trading community is now short over 100,000 contracts in the futures market, an all-time high, matching the peak seen in the spring of last year, when the Euro just fell short of $1.60. The risk of a snap back rally going into the coming European love fest is high.

I have noticed that in recent weeks, the market is allowing the nimble ever smaller profits from their quick in and out trades. This may be a function of the declining volatility going into the holidays and the year end. So those with itchy trigger fingers may want to take profits sooner than they usually might and celebrate Christmas early. The value of dry powder is rising.

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12:25 on 15/12/2011
If the eurozone was to have any credibility Merkel and Sarkozy would make the European Central Bank the Lender of Last Resort for their funny money. They won't, because they know full well that it would be trying to prop up a melting glacier. No more UK cash handovers Dave.
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I have sexdaily, I mean dyslexia, Danm!
08:05 on 15/12/2011
Isn't it funny that she was critical last week for the big headlines, but now they've died down, she wants to kiss and make up?
07:52 on 15/12/2011
Of course we are important dear we have kept your country in check in two world wars and we are an easy going bunch that doesnt mind lending the eu money even though we have none ourselves
06:01 on 15/12/2011
Its OK the political leaders of Europe drawing closer together but one thing you never hear is what the actual people of Europe feel about this, already riots in Greece and Poland due to massive cuts in government spending.
Ask the people of the EU how they feel about closer union with Germany,as its the people that should have the final say.
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Pali Dumtur
07:09 on 15/12/2011
I'm fine with it.
05:32 on 15/12/2011
history shows the germans are untrustworthy. This smacks of Hitlers assurances to UK before second world war. Just think back a few years when the western nations gloated over the collapes of the soviet union.
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HTM
03:54 on 15/12/2011
Sometimes wishful thinking can bring about a simple compromise but sometimes the stakes may be to high for others to sign off on a blank check and be on the hang for some is not all the risks in an event of another financial crisis. Go figure that one out Merkel!
01:52 on 15/12/2011
Angela Merkel is going to say that the UK is important she wants £30bn of us she is bound to
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Failure is not an option
01:42 on 15/12/2011
She's just being diplomatic. Britain will be increasingly sidelined as Europe grows closer together.
00:26 on 15/12/2011
anyone who thinks the Euro will survive is living in cloud cuckoo land, the EU & the Euro is too far gone to save. it won't be long before the first country in the Eurozone defaults. interest rates on goverment 10 year bonds issued by supposedly safe countries in the Eurozone are on the increase. who lends to countries that have already been bailed out & are having to sign up to more & more taxation for their citizens,more austerity for the citizens just to keep the Euro dream alive,where is the growth going to come from to pay off these mammoth debts.they must be mad. one size plainly does not fit all in the Eurozone, it's no good throwing good money at a lost cause but will the Euro fanatics see sense, i doubt it. wake up & smell the coffee you Europhiles.
23:50 on 14/12/2011
and our royal family is german
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jacksdad41
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00:28 on 15/12/2011
The answer to that question is simple: World War I. Since August 1914 Britain had been at war with Germany. Anything German had a bad connotation, including the German name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Not only that, Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm was a cousin of the British king. So on July 17, 1917, to prove his loyalty to England, Queen Victoria's grandson King George V officially declared that "all descendents in the male line of Queen Victoria, who are subjects of these realms, other than female descendents who marry or who have married, shall bear the name Windsor." Thus the king himself, who was a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, changed his own name and that of his wife, Queen Mary, and their children to Windsor. The new English name Windsor was taken from one of the king's castles.
Trace any European royalty bloodline back far enough and they are all related in some way - that is how they gained land and power but also avoided conflict - just get married!!
Every man jack on this Island is a mongrel if you go back far enough
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01:43 on 15/12/2011
And who was to blame for WWI. And it wasn't wholly the Germans.
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00:43 on 15/12/2011
British born-and-bred since 1738.
23:38 on 14/12/2011
Of course she wants britain in the EU, we pay in a lot of cash which germany will haver to make up if we are not there. France hasn't got the money so they need us inspite of Sarkosy's posturing.
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Pali Dumtur
07:31 on 15/12/2011
And you get a lot of cash from the EU.
08:49 on 15/12/2011
THE UK NEVER VOTED TO BE PART OF THE eu. WE VOTED TO ESTABLISH A FREE TRADE ZONE. ANOTHER POLITICIANS LIE. WE DONT WANT IT WE HAVE NEVER WANTED IT AND GUESS WHAT, WE WILL NOT GET FURTHER INTO IT..FREE TRADE YES, POLITICAL INTEGRATION NO WAY. NOT IN MY LIFE TIME.
23:00 on 14/12/2011
Of course we are. We keep putting our hand in our pocket and bailing out the EU.
The Germans have to be watched. They are playing the financial attack game. Along with France, they are trying to break all the EU countries so that they will have one state.
Time we were cut loose. Just think how we could invest the money that we waste on the EU in our own country?
22:56 on 14/12/2011
Sarky REALLY doesn't like Cameron mostly for his height, then for the fact that we're not scared of the French & Germans, and now Cameron looks like a real man for being the only one who stood up to the bullies of Europe. With Germany or France now it seems to be 'My way or the highway'. Another MEP 'threatened' to withdraw the subsidy (which we're legally entitled to). Maybe we should threaten to withold all the money we send to Brussels as they've never, EVER balanced their books yet! They need us more than we need them. It's a very expensive club.
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jacksdad41
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23:08 on 14/12/2011
It would be a good start @helenazed if "the books" were available in the first place let alone balanced. No accounts have been seen for nye on 4 years and wily sly old Kinnock and his wife Glynis are not too keen on the auditors getting a grip on them either. Kinnock looks 20 years younger than he did when he was in charge of labour - that fine Brussels air and all those expenses x 2 are doing the trick.
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Dombeyandson
09:32 on 15/12/2011
Not to mention the chocolate
22:54 on 14/12/2011
the french and germans only came up with their plans becaust they both have elections next year which they are both set to lose
they hoped english bashing would help them win votes
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Pali Dumtur
07:32 on 15/12/2011
Now bashing of foreigners is a British tabloid tradition.
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Dombeyandson
09:33 on 15/12/2011
Always has been - read your history