Riots In London And Other Parts Of England Should Have Led To More Police Being Deployed Earlier, MPs Say

Riots Police Deployed Sooner

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 19/12/11 05:55 GMT Updated: 19/12/11 08:11 GMT

MPs have criticised the police's handling of the riots in England in August, suggesting they should have mobilised more officers onto the streets sooner to stop the violence. In a damning report which is particularly critical of the Metropolitan Police in London, MPs on the Home Affairs Committee have placed the blame firmly on the side of senior police officers, and not on government ministers who were mostly on holiday during the first 48 hours of rioting.

While MPs commend rank-and-file officers' bravery in the face of the riots, they criticise the tactics used by senior officers, who failed to pre-empt the likely spread of the violence from Tottenham in North London to other parts of the capital and beyond.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live on Monday morning, the Labour chair of the Home Affairs Committee, Keith Vaz, said police in London weren't able to put enough officers on the streets to tackle the problem. "They managed to get there in the end, there were 3,000 on the first night and 13,000 on the Tuesday," he said. "It was a case of Christmas coming early for some people in August."

However MPs have stopped short of calling for greater powers for police in light of the riots, including the use of baton rounds or water cannon. Using either of these would have escalated the tension and violence further, their report concludes.

Keith Vaz also said that there should have been better dialogue between the Metropolitan Police and the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) over the death of Mark Duggan, the black man from Tottenham whose shooting by officers was the trigger for the first night of rioting in north London on Saturday the 6th of August.

MPs believe there was confusion over who should have been the primary contact with Mark Duggan's family, with neither the IPCC nor the Met Police taking the lead. MPs note that Mark Duggan's family found out many of the facts of his death through the media, because both the police and their watchdog failed to keep them properly informed.

There were also serious failures in establishing the facts surrounding Mark Duggan's death. Initial reports from the IPCC suggested that there had been an "exchange of fire" with police at the time of his death. It was later confirmed that both shots were fired by police. This was a blunder by the IPCC but MPs suggest this was in part caused by a failure of communication between police and the IPCC.

The IPCC admitted last week they'd made mistakes in claiming that Mark Duggan had been killed during an exchange of fire.

However the MPs conclude their report by saying: "Even in Tottenham, it is not clear that the circumstances surrounding the death of Mark Duggan were the only influences at play. In other locations, the link to the original trigger is even more tenuous and provides no explanation for what went on."

However the MPs' report is silent on whether politicians, including the prime minister, home secretary and mayor of London, could have done more, including whether or not they should have returned from their various holidays sooner when the violence first broke out.

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MPs have criticised the police's handling of the riots in England in August, suggesting they should have mobilised more officers onto the streets sooner to stop the violence. In a damning report whic...
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08:48 PM on 12/30/2011
The riots were caused by mindless minorities­, who thought the police were standing off due to political correctnes­s. The people who rioted had no respect for their fellow citizens,h­ad no respect for their local communitie­s and no respect for law and order. Of course the lefties will say its down to the cutbacks, or its down to poverty etc. Truth is the majority of them are lazy, bone idle benefit scroungers who live on crime and peddle drugs to our children, the real cause is the softness of our country to show a real no tolerance approach . This is why we have inherited the society we have to day?
fredgladys
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05:05 AM on 12/20/2011
However the MPs' report is silent on whether politicians, including the prime minister, home secretary and mayor of London, could have done more, including whether or not they should have returned from their various holidays sooner when the violence first broke out.

Well, gollee, that is certainly a surprise, blame the police and everyone else but don't blame the MPs.
10:10 PM on 12/20/2011
Making laws for situations where the justice and police systems are not enforcing current laws that apply, thinking that this will make those laws be enforced, is the break down of the justice system.

Blaming the police and military for break downs in political decisions is the second prong of stupidity.

Buck passing, and bureaucracy.
06:23 PM on 12/19/2011
Be it for whatever reason the riots took place,but I can see them taking place again in the near future,big time,as the muppets in power are doing all and everything in protecting the rich and looking after them,as for the people on benefits and those who are in the poor sector through no fault of their own are now becoming more and more angry with all of the cuts and the new back door taxes,It is the poor becoming poorer until there is no place left to argue their point,then starts the criminal activity so families can make ends meet,and if they keep up with the back door taxes what then.And people ask what caused the riots or what encouraged them.
03:38 PM on 12/19/2011
More police? did'nt the Gov announce vast reductions just before this all kicked off? MP's blaming others instead of holding themselves responsible for the way they have shaped the country?
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03:37 PM on 12/19/2011
Of course, the police get the blame the MPs can't blame themselves.

The fact that the police are underfunded and there aren't enough of them is besides the point. The fact that they were ordered not to interfere is besides the point. / snark

Who was it who said NOT to call in the military with water canons for back up?
02:51 PM on 12/19/2011
The thieving was a consequence of the rioting, the rioting was the consequence of dibble shooting an young man to death and than telling lies to try and cover there tracks!!
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02:48 PM on 12/19/2011
The fault lies with our MPs who seem unable to accept blame for anything. Why is it OK for MPs to steal but its not OK for these youngsters.
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09:47 PM on 12/19/2011
Possibly because they weren't burning and killing in the process?
02:23 PM on 12/19/2011
So it's the fault of the police that riots took place now is it? The devil made me steal that video, TV and everything else that just happened to be laying around in shop windows. You only have to look at police video to see who was at fault.......it was like jungle warfare.
01:17 PM on 12/19/2011
At the start of the riots in Clapham Junction(Battersea)there where five plod on the ground, apparently all the rest where on stand-by for any trouble in Fulham and Chelsea and it stayed that way till it was all but over, but rest assured the gated communities where the semi royals and the posh live where well protected with big ex forces boys in blacked out vans.
01:13 PM on 12/19/2011
Back in the seventies they banned the cane and any form of punishment from schools ( even a slap on the wrist) then teachers couldn't even tell you off ,this was called verbal assult and could cause emotional and mental scarring ( This was the root of this politically correct nonsence) this escaped in to the ' grown up ' world,the police had their hands tied by the same cord and thugs knew they could do pretty much anything with minimal ( if any ) punishment at the most they would be held for several hours then let go, this is where our three ( well . . . two ) main parties have led us ! During the riots police ( as I saw it ) were trying to maintain a cordon, to contain the thugs ( that is what their behaviour portrayed ) if they engaged them,they would have been accused of police brutality or infringing on their human rights or targeting minorities . . . or some other ' politicaly correct ' reason .why should we let non British people decide how we should run OUR country ! Are our MPs puppets for whoevers got the biggest stick ? I think Her Majesty should re-open the tower and throw a few in there !
katertaif
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04:11 PM on 12/19/2011
Precisely; nail on the head
01:10 PM on 12/19/2011
I could not believe the things I saw on the TV coverage. The rioting was going on, looting and arson right in front of the police and no attempt to stop it was made. It just about sums up policing today, when it suits it is a police service not a police force, under the riot circumstances FORCE was exactly what was needed.

In the past I have seen things like the police called the fire brigade because some suspect of crime were on the top of a building, the fire brigade set the ladders up for the police to apprehend said suspects only to be told, we have not had training to go up ladders, the fire service had to go up, I do not expect the fire service have had training in detaining suspects but some one had to do it, fortunately they did. I be live now people cay F and blind at police officers and they have been instructed not to arrest them for this, if you stop the smaller things early on, it may stop those people going on to bigger things. There are no consequences for any ones actions any more, very little punishment, is it any wonder we are in the lawless situation we are, too many goody goodies who have never been on the receiving end of crime looking out for the criminals instead of the victims.
12:47 PM on 12/19/2011
The law has lost control of our streets because of the namby pamby brigade that our mp`s have allowed to infest our legal system.
12:26 PM on 12/19/2011
As usual everyone else is to blame.
12:12 PM on 12/19/2011
With organisations such as AOL they will carry on fuelling the FIRE if people can't say what is RIGHT for this country there will be repercussions! The majority of the British Public are fed up of PC and the lack of freedom of speech too! Tinderbox situation is what we have here in Britain!
01:36 PM on 12/19/2011
You are not alone in your thinking. I am totally amazed, that an American based company such as AOL should exercise such censorship, when the American and British way , is supposedly, to support freedom of speech. This Huffpost idea , I think will cost them plenty. I am not alone in thinking that I will not renew my contract with them. Despite Clarkes statement that all involved with the riots were criminals, there are some of us , who remember the last Tory government under Margaret Thatcher, a mistake that the taxpayers in this country still pay for, who rioted then. Were they all criminals too.! I would seek your advice as to criminality. Is the politician, who has his hand well in to the public purse, any better than the man who steals a TV set from a shop. ?
It is time for a change in our system of government. The close relationship between government and financial intitutions, must end. They should all be treated with the same accord given to any other business in this country, not occupy a position , where, to all and sundry, they seem to awarded greatly, for total failure.This, I would apply to unfit for purpose politicians too.
03:36 PM on 12/19/2011
Victor, there are 10s of Millions that feel the same way and think the same way too. It is High Time AOL listened to its British Members or there will be very few British Members left.
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
12:08 PM on 12/19/2011
Last week, my printer broke down, and I had to go and buy a new one. This morning,my car which normally starts straight away, took two tries. On top of that my supermarket had no chestnuts. Quite obviously the police are behind it all. Well it's silly season again is it? Damned if they do, and double damned if they don't. Our political masters know very well what caused the riots, but either cannot or will not say so. That in itself will cause them to be repeated. In lieu of any sensible suggestion, and when all else fails, blame the police
01:43 PM on 12/19/2011
I totall agree with you..
katertaif
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02:26 PM on 12/19/2011
It really is way over the limit now.We are rapidly getting the police force we deserve. If they allow students to riot and vndalise property, they didn't do enough. If they stop them, they are heavy handed. They just cannot win, no matter what they do, or how hard they try.They are surrounded by politically correct idiots, and stand to be sued if they step out of line. I have a friend who has left the force, because he is sick of arresting the same people day in and day out, and watching the courts let them go. It seems to be all right for the police themselves to be hurt or maimed during these events, but God help them if anyone else is.