NHS Waiting List Penalties Delayed By Andrew Lansley

First Posted: 04/01/12 14:01 GMT Updated: 04/01/12 15:48 GMT   PA

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Andrew Lansley U-Turned On Waiting Lists In November 2011

A government plan to tackle hidden NHS waiting lists has been delayed - just two months after being announced by Health Secretary Andrew Lansley.

Mr Lansley said in November that hospitals would face a clampdown from this year on the number of people languishing on waiting lists for treatment.

But according to the Department of Health, although hospitals are expected to make progress towards that goal, penalties will not now be introduced until 2013/14.

Under NHS rules, patients should be treated within 18 weeks of being referred by their GP but when that deadline is breached, there is often no incentive for hospitals to see them.

To tackle this, NHS managers were told in November they had to reduce the number of long waiters from this year - and by about 50,000 by April.

Mr Lansley said at the time: "Because of Labour's perverse approach, the NHS actually had an incentive not to treat patients.
"The new approach we will take from next year will clamp down on this practice."

However, according to the Department of Health, penalties will now only be introduced "once progress has been made on validating the backlog data and the NHS has had time to adjust to working to the new standard."

Data suggests there are around 250,000 people waiting longer than 18 weeks to be treated and thousands have waited for more than a year.

The new delay, uncovered by the Health Service Journal (HSJ), was condemned by patient groups.

Patients Association chief executive Katherine Murphy said: "The Department of Health said they would tackle the issue yet instead of taking action they have just stuck to the same targets which have not helped these forgotten patients.

"These targets have produced perverse disincentives meaning that once a patient has waited for longer than 18 weeks, there is no push to make sure they receive treatment as soon as possible after that."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Health said: "We want to reduce the number of patients on hidden waiting lists to help ensure everyone gets access to the treatment they need.

"Work on this has already started and we expect organisations to reduce their backlog and long waits whilst this is ongoing.

"Penalties will be introduced for 2013/14 once progress has been made on validating the backlog data and the NHS has had time to adjust to working to the new standard."

HSJ columnist and waiting list consultant Rob Findlay said delaying the measure "fundamentally undermines the government's stated intention to reduce the number of patients 'forgotten' on English waiting lists."

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08:59 PM on 01/08/2012
2 spine ops ,arthritis ,and diabetic ,but if i put my the first place my doctor wants to send me is the physio dept along with hundreds of other people who with a condition like arthritis ,and you get fobbed off with a rubber band and told to exercise at home,iv been offered pills gels anything but get an operation on my knee the last thing i need is physio for a knee with cartilidge problems ,when you have worn out joints the last thing you need is to wear them out even quicker !
08:32 PM on 01/08/2012
It must be really nice to be a minister in this government with their private medical insurance ,i bet if his wife or daughter had P.I.P IMPLANTS THEY WOULD BE HAVING THEM OUT LIKE A SHOT
But of course if you are not a ministers wife or daughter you just be left to die a slow lingering death

lesson to be learnt DONT VOTE FOR these people ! and let them know it !
09:02 AM on 01/05/2012
There is no waiting list for the now uncapped private work.
The privileged go straight in , the peasants wait for years.
The NHS is safe in their hands, providing you have been gifted a multi million trust fund as per the parasites at No's 10 and 11.
06:36 PM on 01/05/2012
NHS bargain entry medical care - a risk within itself!
49% of hospitals to turn over to private! 51% turned over to MRSA! the new name for NHS!
08:34 AM on 01/05/2012
The best way to run down a service that you find to expensive to run is to make servere cuts to the budget ,broadcast that most hospital have ceedif and or mrsa ,poor food and a high mortality rate then when the people have got the message ,you tell them its going to be sold to a private medical insurance company ,it will be the same doctors ,same hospitals but a cleaner enviroment with a better service and a faster turn around ,of course there still be some hospitals left to cover a basic service so that the government can still charge you your national health stamp that costs as much as your inland revenue tax ,its called taking the money at both ends !
11:12 PM on 01/04/2012
Poorly trained NHS GP's (Jack of all trades master of none) Depending on their knowledge & ability (Some more serious illness / instances) have to have their go 'suck it & see approach first!' Consultants have then to undo the GP's work of prescribing wrong meds / rectifying side effects / correcting what you have been told (Holding up beds & their time) / etc. then basically starting again. Could shorten the outcome if referred to a Consultant straight away (GP's holding up their hands)
Plus patients surgery GP's don't come out anymore(None ever available) receptionists just say phone an ambulance & put pressure on A&E departments.
07:33 PM on 01/04/2012
there is a long waiting list because of all this private insurance thats around,my mate had somthing wrong with him and was told he had a long wait for treatment ,,he went private and got to see the same doctor sooner.in my opinion you are either a privite doctor or a nhs doctor,this is y we have a long waiting list.
10:54 PM on 01/04/2012
Too right! NHS consultant During the day - working privately in the evenings (at it's best) - Hospitals left to be run by SHO's & Junior Doctors
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02:30 AM on 01/05/2012
when a consultant has completed his contracted hours for the NHS, and if a consultant decides to work in ther private sector in his own time thats there busines and no one elses.
08:56 AM on 01/05/2012
jUST HAT ARE THE"CONTRACTED HOURS" OF A CONSULTANT????
09:04 AM on 01/05/2012
What are the "contracted hours" for £130k plus consultants??
06:59 PM on 01/04/2012
For many years succesive governments have promised NHS reforms and thay have NEVER happened so why is anyone even vaguely optimistic now.The NHS is far too big and complex ever to control so why pretend ? To be a success it needs dismantling and re starting from scratch and this is not an option. It should be regarded as a medical British Railways ! Maybe Virgin Health ?
05:58 PM on 01/04/2012
Lansley and co now realise they made a promise that was immpossible to keep.At least it is not a promise that turned into a lie ..........YET
05:12 PM on 01/04/2012
Resolving the waiting list is simple find the management not the hospitals then cut the management by 75% and make those that are left do a full day’s work. Far too many are kingdom builders I know of one manager who turned a department of four into four departments with all the add on’s that went with it. The power is with the number of department not number of staff and the management is all about power and nothing to do with service. The answer to the problems of the NHS is change the management all those university degrees intelligent do’s not make.
02:52 PM on 01/04/2012
while your at it lansley ,any chance of the public seeing the risk assessment file that you wont release,got something to hide?
02:21 PM on 01/04/2012
His problerm may be the unwillingness of the proposed GP consortiums to accept another control.

Some of them cannot organise an interview with a patient within three days of seeking an appointment being sought, even after the patient has been vetted by a clerk.
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02:27 PM on 01/04/2012
"...even after the patient has been vetted by a clerk?"

I'm having a what the flip moment. What on earth are you on about? o.O
03:06 PM on 01/04/2012
I am, in that instance, on about the questions asked by the telephone receptionists who try to decide whether a caller's request is genuine or the condition exagerated. It would not be so bad, though still not an ideal situation, if the receptionist was a nurse or medically trained.
I can quote details of a patient that was unwell being asked, at 9 oclock in the morning, to ring back tomorrow before 8 o'clock because an appointment wouldn't (or couldn't) be booked even for the following day.
In my original mail 'some of them' referred to GPs, and the word 'seeking' should have been omitted. I understand your difficulty in reading it.