Welfare Reform: Lord Lawson, Thatcher's Former Chancellor, Says Government 'Got It Wrong' On Benefits

House Of Lords Welfare Reform Lord Lawson

The Huffington Post UK   Dina Rickman First Posted: 26/01/2012 15:05 Updated: 26/01/2012 15:05

The government "got it wrong" on welfare reform, according to Margaret Thatcher's former chancellor.

Lord Lawson, who voted against a measure that force single parents to pay to use the Child Support Agency on Wednesday evening said:

"The government had clearly got it wrong. James Mackay [the Lord who led the revolt] is a man of great character who I worked with very closely when I was in government. He was Lord Chancellor and I was Chancellor of the Exchequer. He sought to put it right, and I supported him, as a number of others did and he won the amendment," he told BBC 2's The Daily Politics.

On Wednesday the government suffered their sixth defeat on the welfare bill in the House of Lords - this time led by veteran Tories. Grandees from the days of Thatcher voted against the charges, including Lord Howe, Lord Lawson and Lord Carrington.

Nick Clegg claimed on Thursday the Lords were doing "exactly what Parliament is there for."

He told journalists that ministers could make some changes to legislation "where they are justified": "There is no point having a two-chamber Parliament if it just sits there ticking boxes for government.. I don't think we will need to use the Parliament Act to get the Welfare Bill on the statute book."

But the department for work and pensions has said it will try and overturn the changes made to the bill.

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02:39 PM on 01/27/2012
And this just in....'Men's Hair Coloring Causes Cancer"
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Pubdestroyer
Just your average comedic intellectual who is curr
02:48 AM on 01/27/2012
He looks like Bob Dylan will look like in ten years. And Dylan is among the ugliest guys in America!
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gfgarv
but you are Blanche! You are...
06:01 PM on 01/26/2012
Get over it Lordy. No one cares.
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
05:53 PM on 01/26/2012
Governments are always getting it wrong, thats why we're in the mess we're in.
05:49 PM on 01/26/2012
He's got room to talk -- he got it wrong when he was chancellor, thelod goat needs to just go to sleep
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
05:36 PM on 01/26/2012
Lord Lawson, vilified former chancellor of the Thatcher government - what a CV that makes..!!

For the present government, a declaration of 'we got it wrong' by NL is a bit of a poison chalice.

Remember, this is the person who challenged Sir Richard Attenborough recently for having the temerity to mention 'climate change' - precisely once - in the BBC's excellent documentary series 'Frozen Planet' final episode - the episode many US networks refused to screen.

Nigel is periodically trotted out as a spokesman for one of the anti-climate change lobbying institutions and expects to be taken seriously.

Anything Lord Lawson says should be taken with a very large pinch of salt, as it's extremely easy to say 'we got it wrong' without having to offer a remedy.

He has entertainment value, that I must say... I fall about laughing everytime I hear or see him.
08:26 PM on 01/26/2012
The reason that almost all TV networks refused to air it was that the climate change science is flawed and has no real basis in science and seems an horse that has been flogged to death for the personal gain of people who seek to justify mad cap ideas without any basis in fact it ahs gone from theory to an absolute fact and yet the science has been disproved at every turn
Red xxx
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
10:11 AM on 01/27/2012
I'd rather read and understand the findings & research of only 97% of the
world's climatologists and relevantly qualified scientists & scientific institutions than put my trust in the ramblings of Beck, Peiser, Lawson etc and their assorted bands of confused & willfully dim followers.

Research for yourself where the CC-denier groups get the majority of their funding;
you will find it comes from the oil, gas and coal lobbying outfits.

20 year hence, redsquaddie has young offspring on his/her knee in a dystopic world.

Says young offspring
'Grandpa/ma, when you had the chance to actually do something about climate change, what did YOU do?'.

You will be able to confidently answer:

'nothing, darling, absolutely nothing'..
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OH72
12:02 PM on 01/29/2012
Um, yes. Thank you for making so clear you wouldn't know what a "real basis in science" looks like if you got your nose rubbed in, having no idea what the word "theory" means in scientifc context and lacking any and all education as to what "disproving" something looks like.
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
05:31 PM on 01/26/2012
Nigella Lawson's dad. He likes Grecian 2000, Spitting Image does not to need to make a puppet.
08:26 PM on 01/26/2012
Or a muppet Red xxx
05:23 PM on 01/26/2012
As I recall, the purpose of the CSA was to enable mainly mothers/wives to get the alimony and or child support from recalcitrant ex partners.

The notion being if the state was being expected to pick up the tab for financing the basic living costs, while the absent partner was maintaining a lifestyle consistent with being single, with no responsibilities, the state could no longer abide with this state of affairs, so decided to act in it's own interests and do what the courts and social services found impossible or and impractical to do' that was to act for the 'wronged' partner and do the collecting for them,

However it screwed up and left some, mainly men, so traumatised by it's tactics many fell to suicide, or long term mental trauma.

This new plan will reverse that scenario, and traumatise, mainly women into the same state of mind.

Perhaps the misogynistic element of the mainly male parliamentary Tory party is simply trying to redress the balance.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
06:17 AM on 01/27/2012
Please also think of the children. My father could have paid more than the social security rate, but he preferred to spend it on himself and the girlfriend. It was no fun growing up like that. I have never had a peer group, couldn't afford to go out dancing, to the movies, sit in the milk bars. I have never been in a restaurant, a cafe or a takeaway until I made my own money. Neither my brother nor myself have/had a proper education and my brother's life ended badly. My father wrote if I took him to court, he'd not pay anything and when all court cases are over after seven years it would be too late for me to go to uni again. And if I dared to demand more money, he would not pay anything at all (high school/first year uni).

It's always the children, and especially their education, which take the hit. Had there been a government agency things would have been different. For children out of wedlock the government did collect alimony. I knew of a case where a father had to pack back for the 16 years that he shirked funding his offspring.
09:56 AM on 01/27/2012
I did not mention children as my message was to point out to this disgusting coalition that their proposals and attitude was flawed.

However,in principle, I agree with you, and sympathise with your circumstances.
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Wolfman Thomas
05:19 PM on 01/26/2012
Lord Lawson, Bob Dylon look alike
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rabidrightwatch
Green lefty & active environmentalist
05:22 PM on 01/26/2012
..a bit cruel to Bob Dylan, don't you think..??
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gfgarv
but you are Blanche! You are...
06:00 PM on 01/26/2012
seperated at birth I'd have to say.
04:54 PM on 01/26/2012
...How long will it be before we are charged to 'phone the Police etc?
05:36 PM on 01/26/2012
We already are. If you us the non emergency number 101, you are charged.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
07:33 PM on 01/26/2012
Look up the number for your local control room - that's just local rate I think.
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
05:47 PM on 01/26/2012
We already pay for that in one of the many taxes heaped on us.
03:56 PM on 01/26/2012
Oh, if we only had a parliament like this in the US! Our Republicans are a bunch of sheep.
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rabidrightwatch
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04:21 PM on 01/26/2012
...if they were for sale, I'd put them on eBay... but nobody would want to buy them, so please take them away... please... please...
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WaveRhydr
DIEBOLD-WE VOTE SO YOU DONT HAVE TO
06:24 PM on 01/26/2012
Well, I suppose you are right. They are not for sale as they have already been bought, lol.
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rillem
Ich bin ein Berliner.
04:38 PM on 01/26/2012
We have a Senate where the minority party has the power to block any legislation from coming to a vote. That power to block is not granted by the constitution, but is merely a rule observed as a traditional courtesy by the members of that elite club.

So we do have one legislative body that theoretically should function as a democratic body, but is undermined by an undemocratic body whose numbers are not proportional to the size of their constituency. Thus the U.S. Senate is somewhat at odds with the principles of democracy.

Britain doe not have this problem.
04:53 PM on 01/26/2012
....Maybe not, but we have a lot of other problems.