Real Unemployment 'Could Be As High As 6.3m' Claims TUC Ahead Of Latest Jobless Figures

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First Posted: 14/02/2012 06:14 Updated: 14/02/2012 06:14   PA

Unemployment could be as high as 6.3 million in the UK if a different counting measure was used, highlighting the true scale of joblessness, according to a new report.

The TUC said the higher figure - more than twice the official total - was revealed using an American measure, which includes people in part-time jobs because they cannot find full-time work and recent redundancies.

The jobless total increased to 2.68 million last month and is expected to rise again when new figures are published by the Office for National Statistics on Wednesday.

But the TUC study suggested the actual number of unemployed people in the UK could be 6.3 million, which would be higher than any point since the early 1990s.

Under-employment, which counts those doing temporary or part-time jobs because they cannot find permanent, full-time work, has risen to a record 1.9 million, according to the research.

The TUC said temporary jobs were better than unemployment, but added that they tended to be low paid, insecure and offered little or no career prospects.

Officials called on the Government to acknowledge the scale of the jobs "crisis" rather than repeat the "ill-informed" claim that there were plenty of jobs available.

TUC general secretary Brendan Barber said: "The headline unemployment figures are bad enough, but the true scale of joblessness is even worse. Over six million people are either out of work or under-employed. Tackling this crisis should be the Government's number one priority.

"Our jobs crisis is not confined to those out of work. Nearly two million people are being forced to take low-paid, insecure, short hours jobs because of the lack of proper full-time employment. This means people are taking home much less pay, which is putting a real strain on family budgets.

"When ministers say there are plenty of jobs out there, they are ignoring the sheer numbers of people looking for work, as well as the suitability and location of the jobs available.

"Rather than seek to blame unemployed people for being out of work, the Government should start helping them by putting proper resources into employment schemes.

"Unless we get people back into decent jobs and wages growing in line with prices again, we will not secure a sustainable economic recovery nor get the deficit down."

The report followed a study by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development which showed that job prospects are set to worsen in the coming months as firms make workers redundant.

A survey of 1,000 employers also revealed a further widening of a North-South divide in the jobs market.

A Department for Work and Pensions spokesman said: "We firmly believe that being in some form of employment is better than being out of work.

"It is important that people are taking those first steps into employment through part-time work or jobs in different sectors as it provides vital experience and skills that employers will look for when the economy and labour market improve.

"The current climate is tough for jobseekers, but we also want people to know that there are jobs out there, with around 463,000 vacancies in the economy and with Jobcentre Plus adding on average 10,000 jobs to its books every working day."

This week's figures are expected to show the eighth consecutive month of rising unemployment, the IPPR think tank predicted, adding that unemployment has risen by a million since the recession began four years ago.

There are 600,000 more people working part-time who say they want to work full-time, compared to three years ago, said the organisation.

Graeme Cooke, IPPR Associate Director, said: "Every month that goes by, the urgent need for the new Youth Contract continues to grow. It is now almost a year since the Future Jobs Fund stopped giving young people a job guarantee after a year of unemployment.

"The next priority should be areas of the country experiencing the combination of both high unemployment and a low number of vacancies, while the prospects of those over 50 and unemployed for more than a year are also of serious concern.

"The longer someone is unemployed, the less likely they are to ever return to work. Being out of work for more than a year can have a scarring effect, making it harder to get a job as well as having a negative impact on one's health and well-being. This means that even when employment starts to pick up again, they will find it hard to compete with other jobseekers and could find themselves permanently shut out of the jobs market.

"The Government should guarantee everyone who has been unemployed for more than a year a job at the minimum wage in local government or the voluntary sector, but with that right should come the responsibility to take that job or risk losing their benefits."

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11:05 AM on 02/15/2012
The US has exactly the same problem, the real unemployment numbers are being deliberately hidden. Millions have given up and since they fall off the back of the bus are no longer counted and oh yes, students coming out of university's are not counted since they never applied for unemployment first. The news media is ignoring the problem to help protect the ruling class which in the US is Obama, now wanting to increase taxes by trillions of dollars. The beatings of the taxpayers will continue until moral improves!
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04:53 PM on 02/14/2012
When I was leaving school in Thatchers 1982 Britain it was about using your head to get a roof over your head, a comfortable bed and your children fed. Now it's about 3G, double D, widescreen TV and me! me! me !
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11:24 PM on 02/14/2012
Agree, particularly in the case of our self-serving elected political ruling class(who can forget the infamous recent Expenses fiasco) which gave a whole new meaning to the word ME! As for their latest cost saving brain-wave of replacing people with Robots to work in the NHS, I would advocate a more cost effective use of the British workers taxes is in replacing these incompetent inept politicians with these efficient Robots?
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04:35 PM on 02/14/2012
Perhaps if the minimum wage was set MUCH higher then, employers would have to look at the wages they pay to their senior management and ask themselves if those people are value for money? Surely 2 decent people earning £25,000 pa will be more beneficial than 1 on £60,000?
I now await the comments on my naivity.
05:56 PM on 02/14/2012
The higher you set the monimum wage the more jobs go overseas - 2 people earning £25K is not more " beneficial " than one earning £60 K if you are the one earning £60K - if you doubt it try taking half YOUR wage and sharing the other half with your colleagues - they may feel better off - you definitely won't - and the Government will collect more in tax from one on £60 K than 2 on £30K
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12:44 PM on 02/15/2012
ronnieince
IF you exclude foreign workers who are here in the Uk to save and go home with the wages. I bet 10 min wage British workers contribute far more back to their local /national economy then one worker paid 10 times the min wage. Your economics are to pot on this because you are overlooking the fact different economic groups use money differently. The 10X worker will spend a greater part of his money oversees on holidays, time shares etc, where as the min wage worker doesnt have this option. Likewise give tax rebates to the richest they end up in Tax Havens abroad give the same amount of money to but spread more widely amoungst the more numerous min wage workers and chances are it will end up spent localy on the high street.
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04:33 PM on 02/15/2012
Ah Ronnie, I would half my wage and share it with my colleagues if we weren't all on the minimum wage anyway.
04:31 PM on 02/14/2012
There is nothing new in this - 20 years ago the London School of Economics measured the number of " economically inactive " ie people who could work but did not for various reasons - it was over 8 million then and is much more now due to economic changes .

Millions of jobs have vanished in the last 40 years - bus conductors, flight engineers , guards on trains , extra pilots on aircraft , driverless trains , automated manufacturing etc - cash points outside banks, supermarkets etc - the only real growth in jonbs across the whole country has been in the public sector which have risen from 3 million to 6 million .

The UK car industry today produces almost as many cars as it did in 1970 with 9% of the people , a car required servicing then every 5000 miles today it ia at least twice and often 4 times that - we are never again going to have full employment in real jobs without a drastic fall in birth rate as technology is constantly reducing jobs - a company I deal with bought 3 large machining centres 2 years ago - they replaced 63 people and created one job for a programmer to program the machines
04:30 PM on 02/14/2012
As we are commerating Charles Dickens perhaps we should dress in that periods clothes and make the government happy that is obviously what they want. Nothing like feeding schadenfreude.
04:11 PM on 02/14/2012
A different counting measure,do they mean the true counting measure! silly me this government would no the meaning of the word.
04:08 PM on 02/14/2012
The government figures on everything never tell the truth about anything,
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04:07 PM on 02/14/2012
It is back to the eighties right enough, "Givs a job" Yosser Hughes, "Loads of money" The Yuppie bankers and all that , doom and gloom, Falklands, Save the NHS. But we only have ourselves to blame allowing ourselves to be governed byCon Libs................................Bah
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03:59 PM on 02/14/2012
Now here is another pearl of wisdom.... if, over the past 8 years, the UK nationals who were unemployed had made the effort to take what few jobs, however demeaning they thought they were, that were out there, then there wouldn't have been any jobs for the influx of immigrants that arrived during that time. Ultimately these people would have moved to another country or perhaps home to find employment and there is no doubt they would have. We cannot blame foreigners for taking jobs in the UK that many thought 'beneath them'. For too long people have been lead to believe they are better than they are and failure has been rewarded with pity and praise, these people should ask themselves if they could have made more of an effort before blaming others.
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04:08 PM on 02/14/2012
it is a myth that unempoyed people won't take jobs that are 'beneath them', you are playing the old game of blame the victim, it has been played for too long and fools no one anymore.
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04:22 PM on 02/14/2012
Unfortunately I have seen it in retail with my own eyes. You take on 5 people to work a replenishment shift 3 indiginous UK and 2 'Johnny foreigners', after a fortnight the brits are taking nights off or have decided the job is 'not for them' whilst the 2 others turn up every night without complaint. You re-advertise the positions at further cost and employ 2 UK persons and 1 other and same story.... it happens!!!!!
03:27 PM on 02/14/2012
Everyone worked this out already. Here's why: You can't claim job seeker's allowance (and therefore be counted as unemployed) if a) you are on sick benefit (or whatever name it goes by now) b) have run-out of NI contributions and have more than £16K in savings or a spouse/partner that works c) if you cannot work 40 hrs a week d) you are a carer. The list is pretty long from what I can work out. Once you no longer qualify for contribution-based JSA, you are 'invisible' if you happen to fall into any of the categories above. Many of these people also end up under-employed. No brainer really.
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04:01 PM on 02/14/2012
Well said ,we are right back to the eighties "Giv's a job "and all that and the yuppie bankers" Loads of money"
08:29 PM on 02/15/2012
Having worked for 44 years and almost 60, companies are not interested in even looking at your CV. Well the companies very rarely see your CV as 99% of professional jobs are advertised through agencies staffed by salesmen and HR types from university who have never had a proper job in industry, and cannot read a CV and match it to a job description unless it trips all the latest buzz words.
As my savings are over the 16K and after my 6 months of Benefit I was only signing for NI credits and was told it would be better not to sign on. DWP could never match my job codes.

I applied for a position that required me to prove I was unemployed. The DWP, despite me going through my MP the second time could not state in writing, I had been unemployed since they had signed me off. Needless to say I was not called for an interview. Try getting feedback in writing why you wasn't chosen even to attend an interview, they just pick an excuse out of the personnel mg'rs handbook.
There are a lot of people of my age in the same position, who want to work, are experienced and have proffessional qualifications, not just a degree in an unemployable subject, who cannot find a suitable position. There are plenty of numpties out there with no qualifications to fill shelves.
Does anybody in government care, NO! Not my MP who is one of Cameron's cronies.
09:52 PM on 02/15/2012
Hi, I sympathise, trust me. I have helped a number of people who have found themselves in this situation by giving advice and support. I do this because of the fact that I was the only non-white, pregnant person in my last employment. Oddly enough I was also the only one made redundant and then only after systematic bullying. before me, several people in their late 50's and early 60's were targeted. I found myself in the ridiculous situation where I was compelled to sign on for contributory JSA because I wasn't ill - you tell my midwife that! My triplets arrived 3 days after I was finally allowed to claim maternity allowance. Whilst I was claiming JSA I was told I had to be able to work 40 hours and travel 90 minutes each way on public transport. When I pointed out how this would put my pregnancy at risk, I was met with a blanket 'that's the rules'. I was once late by 10 minutes because of a major accident. After climbing up 3 flights of stairs, I was told to come back later in the day. No one considered that I could barely walk by then (it was 2 weeks before I delivered at literally carrying 10lbs of baby weight). I was so insulted and distressed I wrote to my MP - she did NOTHING!.
02:47 PM on 02/14/2012
No surprise to those of us whove repeatedly mentioned that you must multiply any government (regardless of party) unemployment figures quoted, by at least three to get near the true figure. Governments use various means to hide, cloud, miscontrue the real figures and hope there are enough people silly enough to believe them!
03:09 PM on 02/14/2012
They always have the Daily Mail to back up any exaggerated figures!
02:25 PM on 02/14/2012
When are the private sector supposed to be taking up the shortfall! Nearly two years in and ordinary working class are in a worse state than before. Upper class obviously benefit from low wages and depressed working conditions. Tories cannot wait for the "work for welfare" to kick in as a way around minimum wage.
02:22 PM on 02/14/2012
Even some people who are meant to be working don't bother to do any work, so why aren't they counted as unemployed too?
The real number of unemployed is about 25 million if you include those from 16 to 18 years of age, who would have been counted as unemployed a while ago-now they can't be counted as unemployed.Why can't we have a bit more honesty in these figures ? And what about those who aren't working but who don't bother to sign on? This country is going to the dogs.
04:02 PM on 02/14/2012
I doubt if the dogs would want it.
02:04 PM on 02/14/2012
And its going to get worse as there is more cuts to fellow in the budget.
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