Former Archbishop Lord Carey Condemns Same Sex Marriages As 'Political Power Grab'

Lord Carey

PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 20/02/2012 07:34 Updated: 20/02/2012 09:57

The former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has voiced his opposition to plans to legalise same-sex marriages.

In an article for the Daily Mail, Lord Carey claimed the proposal to change the status of marriage "constitutes one of the greatest political power grabs in history".

In September, it was announced that the coalition government would legislate for same-sex marriages by 2015, a proposal that Carey repeatedly describes as "baffling."

Carey argues that he was particularly confused by David Cameron's statement at last year's Conservative party conference, in which he said

"I don't support gay marriage in spite of being a Conservative.

"I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative."

A public consultation on how to make civil marriage available to same-sex couples is to be launched next month.

Carey writes that the Conservative policy is not about "conserving" anything, and that the national "bedrock" of marriage was neither owned by the state, or the church.

"The honourable estate of matrimony precedes both the state and the church, and neither of these institutions have the right to redefine it in such a fundamental way."

Grassroots organisation Coalition for Marriage is today launching a campaign against the moves, in a bid to halt attempts to redefine marriage.

The proposals were announced by the Lib Dem Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone last year, but senior Tories made clear they had the strong backing of David Cameron - despite the likely opposition of many Conservative traditionalists.

Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said: "The Coalition for Marriage is intolerant and out of touch. Its support for the ban on gay marriage is homophobic and discrimination.

"Coalition members are entitled to believe that same-sex marriages are wrong, but they are not entitled to demand that their opposition to such marriages should be imposed on the rest of society and enforced by law."

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07:11 PM on 02/21/2012
I dont know if anyone from the non christian religions have contributed, but it would be interesting to have their views in the interests of pluralism of course ! I am never quite sure if people of the Jewish faith can be describes as non - christian given that Jesus hiself was.is jewish, but you know what I mean anyway.
06:28 PM on 02/21/2012
As this is now officially the Eve of Lent and tomorrow is Ash Wednesday, perhaps we should reflect on our respective positions and perhaps consider compromise in the interests of harmony ?
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:47 PM on 02/21/2012
Sure. Yes. Let's compromise - Carey gets to mouth-off about taking away fewer civil rights from people, and they get to be grateful. It doesn't work like that.
06:49 PM on 02/21/2012
Well I am glad to see you making the effort but perhaps you need to practise more !
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
05:02 PM on 02/21/2012
True conservatives are for gay marriage. Cameron has it right.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:47 PM on 02/21/2012
Is that true while they're in the closet too?
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Ed Baker
All Hail Big Mother
06:50 PM on 02/21/2012
We don't have true conservatives in the US anymore. The ones who call themselves conservative are actually social totalitarians.
06:54 PM on 02/21/2012
If One has gone to Eton, can One really be said to be in the Closet ?
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02:46 PM on 02/21/2012
Carey's on the wrong side of history, and he knows it. Just too egotistical to acknowledge it.

We should thank him, though, for doing his part to make religion even more irrelevant.
07:00 PM on 02/21/2012
On the contrary the numbers actively practising their chosen religion in England is actaully increasing !
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Thomas Platt
01:50 PM on 02/21/2012
When it's something they agree with, it's "the will of the people" and right and just.

When it's something they disagree with, it's a "political power grab".

You don't get to pick and choose with democracy I'm afraid. That's not how this works.
06:30 PM on 02/21/2012
Oh ! I though the point of democracy was you did get to pick and choose !
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wincanton man
10:10 AM on 02/22/2012
True of the ethos of most Trades Unions too, sadly.
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
01:39 PM on 02/21/2012
Funny how the archbishop talks about "power grabs" when the formation of the Church of England was one of the biggest power grabs in history.

Without Henry VIII "grabbing" power away from the Catholic Church, we wouldn't have been able to go on his serial marriage spree.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:07 PM on 02/21/2012
Poor old never-was Carey. Not even significant enough to qualify as a has-been.
07:11 AM on 02/21/2012
Since the Church sees marriage as holy, it believes it must be treated with reverence. It also recognizes that marriage is basic to the health of society and therefore a public institution that must be defended against harm.

Marriage is a public institution. Consequently, proposals that could harm the institution of marriage must be subjected to the same sort of objective analysis that we give any public policy question. Marriage is not just a private matter of emotion between two people. On the contrary, its success or failure has measurable impact on all of society. Rational analysis yields solid, objective reasons for limiting marriage to one man and one woman-reasons anyone can agree with on purely secular grounds.
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Gunderan
Who let the Libertarians out without supervision?
09:58 AM on 02/21/2012
What a load of tripe.marriage has only legal implications as it is the state not the church that defines law the church should go away.Go and live in a red state in the US as your views will fit in better there.no religious person in the 21st century has any authority moral or otherwise especially in the way it treats children,women and gay people.besides the Bible condones polygamy as marriage,children as young as nine as women and so where is the one man one woman thing.
it's way past time to end the tyranny of religion.
Thirty years ago i was in class that was put in detention by an RE teacher because nobody mentioned going to church on a Sunday.Time to focus on sorting out the countries economy and get special interest groups like religion out of politics.
11:25 AM on 02/21/2012
I am sure you will be able to exorcise those traumatic memories of being in detention, if you really want to ! On the other hand it is probably more fun not to !
11:17 AM on 02/21/2012
an interesting comment which I am sure will attract a whole pile of vitriolic comment down upon your head.!
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Turtlenewz
05:57 AM on 02/21/2012
THe Archbishop of H8te
roscoewpa
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04:16 AM on 02/21/2012
In america i belive we have that problem here we fear the repubs. he repubs are afraid will infiltraite and oust them and then they will fear us. So instead they just wanna supress everyone.
fredgladys
Your Micro-bio is empty, I know, stop nagging.
02:43 AM on 02/21/2012
Former Archbishop Lord Carey claimed the proposal to change the status of marriage "constitutes one of the greatest political power grabs in history".

A possible reason why he is now 'former'.
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racmd
Just riding the wave of life
01:24 AM on 02/21/2012
To be honest....I do not care what the church cares about my marrying my lover. This is not a church issue but the church continues to stick its nose into the business of the state. It truly does not concern the church in any way. The decision to marry rests with myself, my lover and the state. Actually, I believe, without question that we (the gays of the U.S.) need to prohibit the church from marrying same sex couples. Then, you see, there is no argument. I do not care if you recognize my marriage as it has zero impact on my life.
I no longer bow to your guilt ridden comments and your threats of burning in hell for eternity. Your comments about the devil...have you looked in the mirror lately?
The Constitution of the United States by its First Amendment makes it clear there is to be separation of church and state...and for once...it must be a final separation.
You do not want a same-sex marriage by all means do not get one.
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midknightryder13
02:04 AM on 02/21/2012
I disagree that we need to prohibit the church from marrying same gender couples. What needs to happen is what is ALREADY GUARANTEED by the U.S. Constitution -- that no church shall be REQUIRED to marry same gender couples. No law can change that.
11:23 AM on 02/21/2012
Well in fairness, the Church is a stakholder in society and for better or worse, has long been so. Representative bodies for gay people are relative newcomers but show no reluctance in telling ' society' what it should or should not do. Of more concern is the tendency of some within the gay community to verbally abuse those gay people who do not go along with the current politically correct gay thinking ! And woe betide the hetrosexual who ' puts his nose' into issues which self appointed gay leaders want a monopoly on !
05:38 PM on 02/21/2012
None of what you said makes the church's position correct.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
01:00 AM on 02/21/2012
Oh, hush, Lord Carey --- no one wants to grab YOU by your short hairs ...
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npw350
There is no time or distance.
06:07 AM on 02/21/2012
Which is why he has his knickers in a twist.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
06:41 AM on 02/21/2012
Someone should get him a pussycat to hold in his lap. Stroking it might soothe him.
07:02 PM on 02/21/2012
Perhaps ' cassock in a tussle' might be more appropriate.
12:09 AM on 02/21/2012
Power grab? as in straight white men might be losing power. Oh lord, oh my.
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AlanDente
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10:26 PM on 02/20/2012
"The honourable estate of matrimony precedes both the state and the church, and neither of these institutions have the right to redefine it in such a fundamental way."

Just saying something doesn't make it true, former Archbishop Carey...

It's not as though the church REALLY approves of a lot of straight marriages anyway, is it? People that have sex before they get married, people who get divorced, people who have open marriages or other 'arrangements', people that divorced and remarry. None of that is acceptable under Biblical scriptural law.

It's the thin end of the wedge- once the church asserts that only straights can marry, it'll start telling them how to be married, when and why they can get married, how to act when married and that they can't get divorced.

Carey must think we were born yesterday.
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06:19 AM on 02/21/2012
These people keep saying things like this! They absolutely have NO knowledge of history. The fact is that marriage was/is DEFINITELY instituted by the state and religion. Marriage instituted by the state was for inheritance, property combo, etc. etc. etc. Completely and absolutely a state defined and created artifice.
HOW can these be people be so ignorant? Do they actually believe that the fantasy of their religion is actual history???
It's beyond incredible.