Scottish Independence Referendum Date Claimed By Sun On Sunday As October 18th 2014

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PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 26/02/2012 06:41 Updated: 26/02/2012 11:17

The first edition of the Scottish Sun Sunday has claimed to name the date of the independence referendum.

The headline reads 'Day of destiny' with Saturday October 18th 2014 named as the date the referendum is to be held.

The revelation will irritate the government in Westminster, which believes the poll should be held in September 2013 - the earliest it believes the preparations for the referendum could be completed.

In the front page story a government source is quoted: "This date is being lined up as the day people will get the chance to vote for independence and equality for Scotland."

The Scottish Government said the date was a "possibility" after already revealing it was planning for a referendum in the autumn of 2014.

A government spokesman said: "This date is of course a possibility, but we are in the process of a consultation on the independence referendum - which has already generated more than 2,500 responses. We continue to encourage the public to respond which they can do at www.ScotReferendum.com.

"Once we have completed that process and listened to people's views we will take forward plans for a referendum in autumn 2014."

Earlier this week the newspaper's owner Rupert Murdoch appeared to hint at support for Scottish independence on the social network service Twitter.

The tycoon, head of News Corporation, tweeted: "Let Scotland go and compete. Everyone would win."

It follows a tweet last Saturday in which he said: "Alex Salmond clearly most brilliant politician in U.K. Gave Cameron back of his hand this week. Loved by Scots."

News Corporation is parent company of News International, which runs The Sun and The Times newspapers.

The Sun newspaper, owned by News International, switched from outright opposition to the SNP before the 2007 election to support for the party at the election last May.

First Minister Alex Salmond spoke with Mr Murdoch this week.

A spokesman for the First Minister said Mr Salmond called Mr Murdoch to discuss his new newspaper, The Sun on Sunday, and said they also talked about the tweet.

Mr Salmond said: "It was an interesting eight words: a textbook example of how to deploy a tweet and cause a great stir.

"We are in a debate in Scotland and internationally about Scotland's future, and I welcome all contributions to the debate, including Mr Murdoch's."

Last August the Scottish Government published letters between Mr Salmond and Mr Murdoch, which show attempts to bring Mr Murdoch to Scotland as the guest of honour at the Gathering, a cultural celebration intended as the centrepiece of the Year of Homecoming.

The First Minister suggested it would be a great spectacle for coverage by Sky television.

An invitation was also extended to Mr Murdoch for him to join Mr Salmond at a golf event in Kentucky in the US.

In another letter, Mr Salmond offered the tycoon tickets for a performance of the Black Watch play in Brooklyn, New York.

The letters came with a list of dates and names covering meetings held with editors, journalists and other executives stretching back to June 2007, shortly after the SNP first took office.

Mr Murdoch arrived in the UK last week and supervised production production of the new Sunday tabloid.

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03:27 on 28/02/2012
So i guess my first post went byebye?? typical huffpost, nice work
03:25 on 28/02/2012
What needs to happen is Scotland have a greater voice in parliament obviously..and for we..ALLL of us..to have a greater leadership that puts us first before foreigners for a change..that is ANYONE outside of our shores. We've always fought amongst ourselves..until we have an enemy for us all to fight..and right now our enemy seems to be the actions of our so-called leaders..whether they be English..Scottish or whatever
01:47 on 28/02/2012
What a sycophant this FC is...sucking up to Murdoch. They both deserve each other they, both ply their filth in public.
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
22:40 on 27/02/2012
And The Date Of The Referendum Is...

Who cares?
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23:34 on 27/02/2012
you do, you wouldnt be reading this otherwise. You post regularly on anything to do with Scotland.
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Mickey Mouse 1
There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
20:06 on 28/02/2012
The Labour Party used to have 1,200 media types patrolling internet chat rooms and bulleting boards giving the official (positive) spin to anyone who would listen. Its seems they are now working for the Nats if this BB is anything to go by.
01:43 on 28/02/2012
we should care...everyone who wants to vote against the date of the referendum should leave their comments on www.ScotReferendum.com It is a must thing to do. Tell them just what you think and have the date brought forward to next year at the latest... that will mean the kids in school will have less time to be brow beaten into the suppotrting the will of the Nationalists to vote Salmond's Nationalst Poltroons.
03:00 on 28/02/2012
agreed
06:03 on 28/02/2012
Ah so you want the date brought forward just like all the anti independents. It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that all the cuts that this coalition have introduced will come to front around end of 2013... or I am I being too cynical. There's a reason why Mr Salmond is hanging on till 2014.
22:28 on 27/02/2012
What is quite amusing, is the fact that a man in Germany once had the same agenda. The nationalists claim a landslide in the last election when the voters were so disillusioned, the turnout was less than 50%. What is anathema to every one is the strong scent of racism...We English have to stomach it every time the Scottish sing "flower of scotland, a truly masterfully offensive rhyme. it seems that some, a minoirity are hanging all the problems on the English and central Givernment when in fact, the Scottish have a far better representation than any other demographic group. I am glad that most Scots people see the flaw in this and Slamond will be gone very soon!
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22:40 on 27/02/2012
Of the people who voted it was a landslide, sorry but voting is not compulsory. Oh please behave with your bleeding heart over the Scottish National Anthem.

Salmond will be gone soon?? Pray tell me how you have come to this deduction? Since they are in power for the next few years?

Most people are happy for the SNP to carry on doing what they are doing, looking after the interests of the people of Scotland.
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01:25 on 28/02/2012
"...Of the people who voted it was a landslide..."

Of those who voted, SNP voters were in a minority.

Aren't statistics wonderful?
01:45 on 28/02/2012
This may surprise you..I am happy for Scotland to carry on looking after themselves... but in a responsible way and still firmly part of the UK
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00:02 on 28/02/2012
What is quite amusing, is the fact that a man in England had an issue about the Scottish Anthem being anti english.

"We English have to stomach it every time the Scottish sing "flower of scotland, a truly masterfully offensive rhyme."

Don't you know your own national anthem?

NO??? What a patriot you are!!!

Here is one verse:

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the Queen.

Now, what was it you were saying about the Scottish singing anti english songs?

I am glad that the majority of Scots will be voting for independence as brought forward by our first minister Alex Salmond, who is doing a 1st class job. Thats probably the reason that the SNP achieved a majority in a parliment designed to return coalition governments, but hey ho, thats just the facts.

Have a nice day! :)
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01:26 on 28/02/2012
"...I am glad that the majority of Scots will be voting for independence..."

Pity the opinion polls say otherwise. Dream on.
07:31 on 28/02/2012
The verse to which you refer in the BRITISH National anthem never was, it was inserted during the Jacobite rebellion for a stage play, but as usual, people like you believe it was a part of the anthem. And no Scotland has an anthem which is offensive, deeply offensive, but it is NOT yet a national anthem. What is anathema to me is the now blatant racism showing from Alba
20:35 on 27/02/2012
Lord grant that Martial Wade may by thy mighty aid victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush.
Rebellious Scots to crush, God save the queen!

By the way, even the queen stated she was embarrased by the last verse of this "racist and abusive song"

Our anthem asks that an invader be sent home to think again, but thats racist and abusive according to a man who calls himself Septic, well named, go empty yer tank elsewhere.
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02:08 on 28/02/2012
Sorry, but the National Anthem ("God Save the Queen") only has three verses -- and that's not one of them -- as any Boy Scout will tell you.
13:01 on 28/02/2012
For god's sake google it as i did, shurely you are aware of your own national anthem, you bang on about the union as if it's a religion to you and yet you are so ignorant of your own anthem! Stunning. at least you made me laugh today.
13:15 on 28/02/2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2007/dec/03/shouldwesavegodsavethequ1

I take it you were not a scout then len

Strange how you dont know your own anthem, ignorance is not bliss.
18:20 on 27/02/2012
Its nice to see the nationailsts chattering and drooling ovre the demise of Scotland! It is also so good to see that they dont believe in free speech! Any words written against them will see them group to remove what they dont like!
18:29 on 27/02/2012
What is amazing is that none of the nationalists have done the maths, quite simple maths. If Oil revenues only generate £6 billion, which it does, where will the rest come from? And, if partition happens, then Scotland will take a good portion of the National debt..who pays, or is it expected that the English will? I see veiled racism here, extremists who have only a warped agenda!
18:34 on 27/02/2012
And then of course, the largest employer in Scotland is the NHS, or SNHS..can they afford that? With the major cash generators seeking to move out even now, how do they propose to take up the slack? Even the UK Government departmenst like MoD, HMRC, and Benefits will be gone within a year! Mass unemployment on a biblical scale, and what happens next, and act of union of 2017 perhaps!
18:38 on 27/02/2012
We're doooooooooooomed i tell ye.

Well i dont think that the Scottish Government is as stupid as you seem to think, are the people who post on here who demand the promised referendum on Europe also extremists? or is it just the ones you choose to insult and who aswer you back?

Do you really think that your own mp's would stand for subsidising another nation?

Do you also think that oil is Scotlands only traded/taxed commodity?

Read the gers report, we subsidise your warped agenda.
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00:07 on 28/02/2012
......eh?
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14:22 on 27/02/2012
I wonder who's phone they hacked to get that date?
14:30 on 27/02/2012
My best guess is nobodies. As they have not yet settled a date, and are still in consultation over the date, it is unlikely anyone knows it yet.
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15:34 on 27/02/2012
Mystic Meg's perhaps. The date Rupert's crew picked out is what's known in the biz as "guesswork."
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13:12 on 27/02/2012
Is this a "Binding" or a "Non Binding" referendum ?,
the SNP say they have the right to hold an advisory (non binding) referendum in 2014,
Westminister say they want to make changes to the law for a binding referendum in 2013,
the date seems irrelevant if these politicians cant work out whether this referendum is binding or not,
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13:43 on 27/02/2012
The binding/non-binding rammy is a bit pointless really. Westminster want to make a binding referendum, but they want to attach a few strings to it and essentially dictate the terms, the timing, the question and the franchise. The S.G. are ok to go with a non binding referendum on their own democratically mandated terms. In the event of Westminster failing to agree and provide the required small piece of legislation to enable a binding referendum without strings then the S.G. will go ahead with their original plan. If that then provides a YES vote, it will be morally binding and it will provide the independence that the people will have voted for. Westminster will not be able to challenge anything in the face of a variety of international laws and the U/N. Charter which guarantee the rights of a "people," to determine their own future at the ballot box.
All the kerfuffle is confusing for many people, but it isn't anything more than hot air emanating almost entirely from the anti-indy lobby and their Westminster paymasters.
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14:41 on 27/02/2012
Thanks for that anwser WLQ, so if the scot gov go with the non binding option, they dont have to take on board any outcome whether a yes/no, and in the same vain neither would
the uk gov be bound to uphold any outcome,because this is just an exercise in public opinion, and wouldn't the uk gov be able to veto any claim via the UN as this referendum is purely advisory without any legal standing.
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20:58 on 27/02/2012
Well you got that right, the end justifies the means, they'll be strings attached what ever way it goes, a binding referendum will give the nationalist scots what they want if the outcome of the vote is yes, a advisory non binding referendum wont, all that will do is get a seat at the negotiation table (maybe) with all those strings still attached, no moral issue exist here, the UN wont get involved, if any other country tabled a motion the UK would use it's veto, anyway would could they do, mediate thats all, there's a lot of SNP supporters that believe the day after achieving a yes vote there going to wake up independant, thats not true.
14:46 on 27/02/2012
News for you, tc-byrne, Westminster doesn't get a say in this matter, legally or illegally. Under the independent Scottish legal system the people of Scotland are sovereign. That is why Elizabeth is Queen of England but !Queen of Scots. She is NOT sovereign in Scotland. The people being sovereign AND Scotland being a Constitutional Monarchy means the sovereign power is delegated to the people's elected representatives. At the moment Wastemonster is not mandated as the Sovereign People of Scotland's elected representatives. One lone Tory and 11 LibDems is certainly not a mandate to run Scotland. However, a majority SNP government at Holyrood is. We elected that majority on a manefesto promise of a referendum on independence in the second half of our mandated government's term in office. Cameron and Wastemonster cannot do a thing about it and English law does not apply in Scotland. As Salmond said, THE DAYS WHEN WESTMINSTER TELLS SOTLAND WHAT TO DO ARE GONE". Why would we wish to remain shackled to a corpse that is in debt by over £3 Trillion while we are putting more into the treasury than we get out?
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15:11 on 27/02/2012
OK Auld Bob this a fair bit to digest so ill take my time to read through it, because there's nothing more elusive than an obvious fact,
but what im looking for is the anwser to the question is this referendum going to be binding in scottish law or indeed in uk law or not,
perhaps passionate is a better word ah.
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Tell the truth ,regardless
22:51 on 26/02/2012
If the Scots vote to leave will they also be allowed to vote to leave the EU ?
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10:49 on 27/02/2012
Grow up only the English Tories want to leave the EU, we here in Scotland are not in that category.
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Tell the truth ,regardless
11:32 on 27/02/2012
,I am not Tory.I think I should have the right to vote where my money goes within the EC .It is totally crooked ,that is why accountants have refused to sign off the expenditure for the EC in over a decade.By signing off they accept legal responsibility knowing where the money has been spent,They cannot account for billions,not millions.So obviously you are content with a wasteful setup spenging your money with out accountability
14:48 on 27/02/2012
That will be for them to decide.
22:40 on 26/02/2012
I condone the Scottish referendum whenever they want, but why October 2014? Is it to allow this clever Alex Salmon time to woo Mr Murdoch on the golf course in Kentucky in the US, the Black Watch play in Brooklyn New York, and any other major expensive events that he and Mr Murdoch can fit in by October 2014? No doubt Mr Salmon will not be dipping into his own pockets for this welcome support from the Scottish Sun Sunday. Well done Mr Salmon, very clever indeed !
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10:04 on 27/02/2012
What a manipulative contrived attempt at a smear!
Course not. The extended timeline gives the opportunity to:
Get rid of the rubbishy Scotland Bill going through Westminster.
Prove the competence of the SNP Government.
Allow the UK disastrous incompetence to become obvious as all the cuts, impending disasters become clear to voters.
Allow the looming threat of yet another Tory neo-barbarian government to concentrate the minds of the voters.
Oh, and deliver an SNP manifesto pledge.
22:39 on 26/02/2012
I feel sorry for the person or persons who has to sort out the mess and confusion if Scotland votes for a break with the Union. Every dot and dash will have to be looked at. It will take years and costs will be huge. Who will pay?
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23:18 on 26/02/2012
I'd expect we (the taxpayers) to foot the bill in the end. Such is life. Unless... maybe.. Rupert would fork out? Somehow I doubt that.. so .. its back to us again.
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If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
15:31 on 28/02/2012
What I'm annoyed about is why we are having this financial discussion at all! How many of you put finances above pride in your own country? We are seeking independence smply because we have pride in Scotland - no more, no less!
00:06 on 27/02/2012
I think its only right that if we Scots decide the relationship is over between us and the UK then Scotland should be responsible for any costs directly caused by that result.
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08:48 on 27/02/2012
Why? If there is to be discussions on the cost why would it not be beared by all involved in the talks?
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22:13 on 26/02/2012
If the nats are unsuccessful on 18 Oct 14, when is the next date for another vote and if that one too is unsuccessful when is the one after that?
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22:18 on 26/02/2012
Much of that would depend on Westminster I think. If their attitude was punitive, then the next time would be sooner rather than later. If they kept the "more powers" promise that Dave C made recently it might be a lot longer.
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08:49 on 27/02/2012
Whenever the will of the people of Scotland decide.... quite easy really.