Killing Newborn Babies No Different To Abortion, Say Medical Ethicists

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 29/02/2012 14:41 Updated: 29/02/2012 16:09

A medical journal has called for the acceptance of ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn baby), causing outrage among pro-life campaigners and raising an array of ethical questions.

Writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, Alberto Giubilini from the University of Milan and Francesca Minerva from Melbourne University argue that foetuses and newborns “do not have the same moral status as actual persons".

The authors say that killing a newborn baby should be “permissible in all cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled". They add that “the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant".

The ‘After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?’ paper argues that the act wouldn’t be classed as euthanasia because the best interest of the foetus or newborn being killed is not necessarily the primary reason his or her life is being terminated.

The authors state that after-birth abortion should be made legal and it should be permitted on the same grounds as abortion. They added that it wouldn’t be the same as infanticide.

Since the controversial article was been published the All Party Parliamentary Pro-Life Group has spoken out against the proposal.

“That the Journal of Medical Ethics should give space to such a proposition illustrates not a slippery slope, but the quagmire into which medical ethics and our wider society have been sucked, “ Lord Alton, the co-chairman from the charity, said as reported by the Catholic Herald.

“Personal choice has eclipsed the sacredness, or otherness, of life itself. It is profoundly disturbing, indeed shocking, to see the way in which opinion-formers within the medical profession have ditched the traditional belief of the healer to uphold the sanctity of human life for this impoverished and inhumane defence of child destruction.”

Responding to the backlash, the editor of the Journal of Medical Ethics, Julian Savulescu, has defended the article, claiming that the arguments presented are not new and have been presented repeatedly in academic literature for years.

Writing on the British Medical Journal blog, Savulescu says: “The novel contribution of this paper is not an argument in favour of infanticide – the paper repeats the arguments made famous by Tooley and Singer – but rather their application in consideration of maternal and family interests.

“The paper also draws attention to the fact that infanticide is practised in the Netherlands.

“Many people will and have disagreed with these arguments. However, the goal of the Journal of Medical Ethics is not to present the Truth or promote some one moral view. It is to present well-reasoned argument based on widely accepted premises.

“The authors provocatively argue that there is no moral difference between a foetus and a newborn.

Their capacities are relevantly similar. If abortion is permissible, infanticide should be permissible. The authors proceed logically from premises, which many people accept to a conclusion that many of those people would reject.

“It has subsequently been suggested to me that people whose lives might have been ended by ‘after-birth abortion’ were this legal, might be deeply offended by this paper.

“If that is the case I am sorry, but I am also confident that many of these people are equally capable of mounting a robust academic reply to the paper which, again subject to peer-review, the Journal of Medical Ethics will be very willing to consider for publication.”

Anthony Ozimic from the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC) told The Huffington Post: “The paper proves what pro-lifers have long been arguing: that the common arguments for abortion also justify infanticide. There is no difference in moral status between a child one day before birth and a child one day after birth.

“Birth is merely a change of location, not a change from non-personhood to personhood. International human rights law makes no distinction between human beings according to various theories about what constitutes personhood.

“All human beings, regardless of age, location or capacities, are regarded in international law as equal members of the human family and thus as having an equal right to life. This chilling promotion of infanticide is a measure of how abortion is creating a culture of death.”

Stuart Cowie, from the LIFE charity, told The Huffington Post: "This paper’s conclusions seem appalling, and they are. The idea that respectable academics at prestigious universities would argue for the killing of newborn babies seems monstrous.

"However, we must face the reality that this kind of shocking proposal – allowing the wholesale killing of newborns for reasons of convenience – is in many ways the logical counterpart and consequence of allowing abortion on demand. As many honest pro-abortion philosophers have written, there are very few arguments in favour of abortion that are not also arguments for infanticide. In the Netherlands, as the authors of the paper point out, infanticide is widely accepted and practised.

"What should make us deeply uncomfortable as a society is that these academics are simply looking at the reasoning that we already use to justify abortion – i.e. that some human beings at the very beginning of their lives are not fully human persons and so we can end their lives – and following the logic wherever it leads. It highlights the difficulty in assuming birth as the moral boundary instead of the actual beginning of human life, conception.

"Just as there is no logical grounds on which those who accept liberal abortion laws can object to sex-selective abortion, so those who accept abortion because they believe that an unborn child is not fully human, invariably struggle to give clear reasons why killing a newborn for the same reason is not acceptable."

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05:44 on 02/04/2013
Of course. As a medical doctor, I have long felt the same way. The fetus inside the womb is completely dependent upon the mother for survival; likewise, once the neonate is delivered, this new baby will be dependent on the mother for some time. What is the difference?

People justify killing the baby before the child leaves the womb; they reason it is not a human being yet.

That is the same reasoning Americans used to justify slavery--another vile, inhumane practice.

Abortion is the slavery of our generation--it is genocide, on a large scale. More babies are killed each year than deaths in all our wars combined.

Abortion is appalling, and this article in the Journal of Medical Ethics reinforces that.
22:18 on 31/03/2013
Be happy guy's this is the world of sin you created. Congratulation!!!!!! ..............?
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08:51 on 21/10/2012
Comment part 2: I believe in complicated cases the mother should decide with a doctor she trusts. And we as a society, including our medical profession, need to shape the hell up with how we view babies, to realize they are whole people aware of & experiencing everything. We as a society also need to get it the hell together when it comes to supporting mothers, babies, & families: educate about sex! Give condoms out everywhere, & if a pregnancy happens embrace that mother/those parents & make them feel that they and their child are welcome and celebrated in the world. Support strong social policies that enable people to make a livable wage and have a livable life with time to be with & nurture their children.

In short, it's very simple: NURTURE CHILDREN. That includes babies in utero, newborns, toddlers, & up. Nurture them personally & create/support a society that nurtures them with it's structure: universal access to healthcare and nurturing birthing methods, nurturing hospitals, maternity and paternity leave, and with nurturing schools where children, teachers, and parents are highly valued. One that refuses war and violence and seeks to end poverty.

And f*** all the sterile intellectual over-analysis that leads to thinking of they type exemplified in this medical journal article. Babies are human. Nurture babies and children. You know this. Don't let Democratic or Republican fools give your beliefs to you. And don't let the percentage of doctors who are ignorant do so either.
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08:48 on 21/10/2012
Comment part 1: Anyone who has had a child and paid attention knows that at the very least after the 1st Trimester the fetus is actually a baby. The baby has emotions and a spirit (to those of you who are atheist/agnostic you can at least see the rights the baby has as a living animal with emotions and the ability to feel pain.) This baby is a whole self even as it develops.

I do not see a cluster of cells as a baby, which is why i think women should easily be able to get an abortion during the first weeks of pregnancy. And the morning after pill should be available at drive-throughs. But once the embryo has developed a brain it is a baby, a whole person. Even prior to frontal lobe development, it has a human spirit/soul and emotional and physical feelings and attachment to the mother.

So referring to this baby, this whole self, as a "fetus" in order to objectify it is misguided and inaccurate. Thus it is morally reprehensible to term a 3rd-term baby or a newborn a "potential person who doesn't have the same moral status as an 'actual person'" is monstrous. A newborn and in utero baby (again, not including the 'cluster of cells' of the first few weeks here) deserve human rights as they are the most vulnerable of all. And yes the mother deserves human rights as well, and community support. ...
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09:55 on 25/03/2012
This is a perfect example of the slippery slope fallacy. You can extend this argument well into infancy and establish any number of criteria for terminating the life of a "non-person." Personhood is an arbitrary designation. There is no clear-cut determination of when when someone suddenly becomes self-aware. It is not an eureka experience. The same with the transition from childhood to adulthood. So we set arbitrary boundaries. Birthing of the infant is one of the most explicit transitions in the life of the individual and should be recognized as such. There should be no ethical question here. Those who advocate after birth abortion are simply ethically challenged and have a complete lack of judgement..
00:35 on 30/05/2012
Slippery slope is not always a fallacy. The fallacy comes when the one of the events in the chain is very improbable. Therefore, the chain brakes.

There is no chain demonstrated in this article. Late abortion is the same as newborn killing. There is little difference in a 9 month old fetus and a 1 month old baby.
00:33 on 17/03/2012
If there is truly no difference in killing unborn babes and newborn babes, then there is no difference in having life taken from any other human being. Killing unborn babes and newborn babes are both horrendous acts. There are only bad or good acts. This is a bad act. There are no gray areas here. If people are bringing babies into the world and deciding to kill them right then and there, it just shows pure evilness and hatred in someone's heart. On the other hand as discussing abortion when a baby is 6 weeks old in the womb, he/she has brain waves and foot prints. I'm sorry but, if people really believe that we all have souls, then at what point does everyone think that a soul becomes a part of the body? It would only make sense that it is at the time of conception. Whoever believes that there is nothing wrong with killing babes, then those people shouldn't have had a choice at the beginning of their life either. On the topic of unborn babies, everyone brings up the argument, it's about women's choice. Well, maybe so, but what about the living being growing inside the womb, doesn't that little innocent being have a right to a choice as well. It's an easy argument to avoid deciding on whether it is right or wrong. Anyways, that is my two cents.
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20:36 on 06/04/2012
So do you think a woman should be held responsible(as in charged with negligent homicide or something else - I'm in the US, whatever the UK equivalent would be) if she has a miscarriage?

As someone else mentioned, this is why we set arbitrary boundaries...the birthing process seems like the logical boundary.

Anyway, I think killing a newborn baby is the same as committing murder of any other age human being, but not the same as having an abortion.

...and I would disagree that there are only bad and good acts. If a woman is raped, or the pregnancy puts her life in grave danger, I do not think anything about her decision to have an abortion would be unequivocally "bad."
00:01 on 07/04/2012
I don't have time to go into detail regarding abortion with some person I don't know about why abortion is a bad act. Just one thing, you're telling me that the 48 million abortions that have been performed since roe v. wade is all having to do with rape? Rape is a gray area, but it still doesn't mean that we as humans should have authority in deciding who lives or dies. Who are you to decide at what point a soul enters a body? I would think at the time of conception, hence a living being. Where in the heck did you get from my post that I would think it's a woman's fault if she has a miscarriage? That along with the rape argument one of the dumbest comments I've heard in along time. The medical ethicists are pretty intellingent people in knowing that there is no difference between abortion and abortion after birth, they just happen to be evil for committing the act and believing it is ok.
09:18 on 14/03/2012
If you wish to object to Ms. Minerva's stance, her email can be easily located by doing a search at the University website.
12:05 on 13/03/2012
Abortion and infanticide are not the same thing. There's a reason the law says u can't have an abortion after a certain amount of time. A ball of cells that can't yet survive on its own isn't a person, a kicking and screaming baby is. The arguments in this article are irrelevant because u can't have an abortion one day before birth anyway. If u don't want ur baby u make that decision while u can still have an abortion, u don't wait till its born and smother it with a pillow. One is making a decision that's best for u and in turn better for the baby and one is just unnecessary and cruel.
17:35 on 07/03/2012
This is soo unessicary and messed up! Newborn babies are just like any other human. they think, feel, touch, kick, and so on.. they have feelings and feel pain just like any other human does... so why in the world would you want to do that? we put people in jail for killing people, yet there are other people out there killing babies and do not get put in jail for that? thats just rediculous! where is the justice in this world? Honestly. come on.. How would you like it if we terminated your life right now.. we dont care how old you are we dont want to take care of you in this world so your terminated.. 'goodbye' you would not like that in fact you would be balling your eyes out. Now you know how all these babies feel. ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE ABORTED YOUR CHILD! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is adoption, guardians.. and you honestly could not do your research and find the perfect family for you 'child'? pathetic.
15:10 on 06/03/2012
Read the medical journal this article references....I sincerely hope this nightmare never sees the light of day.
00:54 on 05/03/2012
Hitler Euthanasia program had a list of what they called defects too for the German people's newborns. Pretty sad that we havent learned from history and the value of life is still up for negotiation.
23:16 on 04/03/2012
This is sick.
15:24 on 03/03/2012
Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva should be put down we have no use for their ethics in our society. Maybe they should put their ideas to Stephen Hawking
13:32 on 03/03/2012
Has money been raised for good or charitable causes by fines?

Most would agree it's just another stealth tax.

Yes, 'controlled'. 99% of Britain is addicted to television = control, by default. I am one of the 1% who does not have a television, mainly because I refuse to pay £145.50 per year (the cost of a television, every year) to watch 95% garbage, and other people talking about their belly button fluff.

Few raise any palpable objections to this intellectual rip off, and so we stay locked and addicted to Wonderland, children.
11:22 on 05/04/2012
Dude, you are in the wrong discussion.
13:21 on 03/03/2012
I read years ago that in India, and maybe other places too, girl babies are not wanted, so when one appears, it is common practice to throw it (her) at a wall, to kill it.
This is to do with money, status, 'honour', etc., and girls get a really raw deal in many parts of the world, mostly due to religious rubbish : that girls are secondary to males throughout their lives...
we as a species need to get rid of religious rubbish, and respect females equally with males....but who holds the power? Men...I wish all females could be free of male tyranny...
just look at the 'traditions', mostly religious/cultural : arbitrary and cruel. And mostly for the benefit of men....men have been the cause of most of the trouble in this world. Plus many of the best discoveries, naturally, but it's dreadful the way women are oppressed in so many ways, not least the full 'covering' (yes, you know what I mean...)....that didn't exist for millions of years! Only because men want to keep the 'mystery' for more titillation, or maybe because they are so sex mad, they can't control themselves?
The world is is one helluva mess, mainly because of male testosterone, IMHO.
23:16 on 16/04/2012
Yes I have read many times of women disposing of female babies in several cultures but how did that produce your venom for men? How do you look at yourself in the mirror, see the venomous hatred in your heart and go about your daily acts of living? I feel very bad for you.
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08:56 on 21/10/2012
Except for circumcision. Boys are harmed right after birth in the US instead of leaving the choice of their genital integrity to them when they're older. Agreed that the "traditions" are mostly arbitrary and cruel.
20:45 on 29/03/2013
I don't think circumcisions are done for traditions sake, they are done because medical science has proved it gives the male a healthier life by reducing the risk of infections and diseases throughout a lifetime. I'm grateful my parents made that decision for me, 'cause it'd hurt a hell of a lot more as an adult.