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Government U-Turns Over Work Experience Plan After Objections From Tesco And Other Employers

Work Placement Uturn Grayling Tesco

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 29/02/2012 14:38 Updated: 29/02/2012 14:41

Benefit sanctions for young people if they do not agree to undertake work experience schemes will be dropped, the government said today.

The U-turn comes after the schemes were criticised as "slave labour", and after Tesco and other major employers recommended the government drop sanctions.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, Employment minister Chris Grayling said it wasn't a climbdown.

"I have listened to our employers. I'm absolutely clear that we will continue to offer work experience to young people," he said. "We will continue to do so throughout the country, using Job Centre Plus's efforts to find employers who will find placements for young people and that we will continue to have a scheme which is proving very successful at getting young people into work."

He also continued his attack on socialists, who he believes form a tiny but vocal of minority of opposition to the programme:

"And for those who say that this is the real argument of the Trotskyists that the Prime Minister referred to. These are people who say that unpaid work experience for young people is wrong. It is denying them their right to work, and I say those people are completely wrong.

"They are misjudging, they are completely misguided in their view. This is an approach that gives young people their first opportunity in the workplace to demonstrate to an employer what they can do."

Earlier on Wednesday Nick Clegg accused critics of the government's work experience scheme of having "messed-up" priorities.

The deputy prime minister said critics should "think hard about what they are saying" before talking down a scheme that helps people get jobs.

"They are criticising a programme that is deliberately trying to help young people into work. I cannot for the life of me understand the kind of messed-up sense of priorities of people who want to prevent young people from finding opportunities to get into permanent work," he said.

Chief executive of Barnardo's Anne Marie Carrie, who attended today's meeting, told BBC Radio 4's World At One: "We discussed frankly what has gone wrong in public perception about this scheme.

"Work experience is a vital lifeline for some of the most disadvantaged young people in this country. They've been failed by the education system, they've been failed by the care system and they cannot easily find employment in this tough climate."

Following today's announcement, young people will be able to leave work experience programmes early without losing benefits, she said.

"Completely voluntarily, if they choose that it's not for them, then there will be no sanctions whatsoever," said Ms Carrie.

"That's what we've been pressing for for quite some time and I'm delighted that the Department has agreed that, actually, we were losing the benefits (of the scheme)."

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11:24 on 20/03/2012
I remember last time they had an idea like this , Future jobs fund ... i lost my job because the people i worked for thought what was the point in paying someone to work when we can get them for free off the bru

Thank you very much :)
00:47 on 01/03/2012
I am a small business - and took on a girl to work in my kitchen on this work trial - I was told that she had to work a minimum of 24 hours - and she would be entitled to all the benefits she was getting at the time - housing/clothing/fares to work/council tax/college courses etc - i'm sure this was for a two week period and no more! After this time we could decide together if she was suitable for the position - which she was. If she had not been she would have gained two weeks of valuable work experience that she could then show future employers. I have employed many people throughout my years - most of which were fantastic at interview - and then through one thing or another turned out to be useless (Drugs/Drink/cannot be arsed so wont bother turning up!), but the work trial was an excellent way of getting to know the person work ethic before acutally having to get into the legal complicated issues of dismissing someone who is not suitable. At no time was she ever told that she would lose her benefits if she left the work experience.
I think it is a disgrace how people get benefits for sitting on their backsides - they should be made to go out and work in the community instead of people thinking life on the dole is better than working for a living!
00:32 on 01/03/2012
The ConLibs say we will huff and we will puff and do nothing .Another usless idea that will not work.
23:35 on 29/02/2012
Surely the entire purpose of these schemes is/was not to give anyone work experience but to make life on JSA as unpleasant as possible? Is there a statistic for the number of people entitled to claim JSA but don't simply because of these hare-brained schemes? On a different note, I know of one fifty-odd year old who worked all his life and has, in the past, stacked shelves, cleaned floors, worked as a labourer, a civil servant and then settled down to a thirty year career before finding himself unemployed, and yet the jobcentre insists (with the threat of withdrawal of benefits) that he take part in mandatory 'work experience'. Just what work do they think he needs to experience?
23:04 on 29/02/2012
I don't think anyone would have an issue with NEETs/long-term unemployed doing genuine work experience for small local businesses. It's forcing people to work for companies that take £ billions in profits each year for no pay instead of hiring people for actual jobs with an opt-in pension scheme, sick leave and holiday pay that gets people's gander up.
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00:40 on 01/03/2012
Good Point'..But even some of them they can get them sweeping-up most of the time.
22:43 on 29/02/2012
It seems that the managers of our major companies are more in touch with the mood of the nation than our elected "representatives". They have the good sense to realise what a PR disaster it is.
20:43 on 29/02/2012
I dont think it was ever going to work.

Giving people £52 a week for full time work?
Thats ridiculous. Sure get them to do a few hours but to make them work for free.....

Just means they will be doing jobs which employers would usually need to actually hire someone for....for free.

Makes no sense to me.
21:08 on 29/02/2012
emmajd1
I think its a con as you say, especialy as far as I understand unless the government want to also change the current unemployment regulations to allow this these kids cant be unemployed on one of these schemes and recieve a payment from their employer, as it will either be deducted from their JSA money which would be about £55 a week so they would either be kicked off the dole for nearly a week or have all the money taken off them? The only way to do it is to emply these kids for 8 weeks at the going rate
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00:47 on 01/03/2012
Exactly'..They should have an incentive also'...Even if it means giving them a little more than just Travel Expenses' and that the firm appreciates them...Not for the employer to exploit them for Cheap Labour.
20:39 on 29/02/2012
If you're gonna send these young people on work experience, at least make it worth their while.. I mean, fair enough, we've all done/are doing crappy jobs - but wow, don't set the sights too high will ya Cameron! Offer the kids an incentive to actually DO the work experience,.. offer to pay the minimum wage for the hours that they do do.. they'll soon learn that working is better than claiming,

COMMON SENSE
22:23 on 29/02/2012
My best memory of early work experience was on a friday when I lined up with the rest of the workers and we got PAID.
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00:49 on 01/03/2012
I agree'..To give you a sense of pride..
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22:41 on 29/02/2012
Why should they get something for nothing ? They've paid nothing in ? We've become a nation of dependants instead of independents
23:25 on 29/02/2012
Very soon people who have paid national insurance contributions will be on these schemes. To be joined by the disabled including the terminally ill (until the last 6 months of their lives). Is that the kind of nation you want to live in?
23:42 on 29/02/2012
They aren't "getting something for nothing" as you put it...They are working and contributing to the economy.

If you work then maybe you shouldn't get paid either - that's your train of thought isn't it? Work and don't get paid?
20:22 on 29/02/2012
I have a proposal! After every general election, all MP's should be required to undergo community work experience for 6 months and be paid the equivilent of benefits (around 60 quid a week), then after they have completed their work experience, there should be another general election with a full and frank, public discussion of how well they did on their work experience. Then we can see what they are all made of. Any takers??? Chris Grayling? David Cameron? Ian Duncan make the garden grow?
22:00 on 29/02/2012
What about brown , he still gets paid and doesn't even turn up to the office .
19:50 on 29/02/2012
I believe that if someone can work and they need benefits, they should take a job which is suitable for them. I think most people believe that too, including the vast majority of the unemployed. I do not agree however that benefit sanctions help at all. People used to be far more willing to take a job when one came along, before benefit sanctions for not taking a job came into place in 1989 or so. This whole area has created more problems than it has solved simply because it makes the unemployed mistrustful and resentful of the Job centre. Margaret Thatcher introduced these things when she was in power and although while she was PM she did some necessary things in this country, she did some extremely stupid things too.
Most unemployed people want jobs, there can be no doubt about that, but they want jobs they with reasonable conditions and at some kind of living wage. At least we have a minimum wage in this country but it isn't nearly enough to live on if you are on your own or not living with family etc.
Like I said, I agree with the premise that if someone can work, they should work, but the whole compulsion thing makes people ill through stress and actually makes them a far less competent employee because of resentment. It is also something which some employers take advantage of by keeping wages lower than they could be.
Lets just be reasonable?
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19:14 on 29/02/2012
"Not a climbdown"? What a whacky, backwards world these Tories live in. Must be grand to feel so untouchable.
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00:59 on 01/03/2012
I agree...
18:33 on 29/02/2012
only the bnp will make sure british jobs ,houses and taxes are given soley to british people
18:14 on 29/02/2012
OK, Huff! Where's my comment? It was carefully thought out, literate and not markedly contraversial. Put it back!
18:17 on 29/02/2012
It's my 'uman right!
18:48 on 29/02/2012
Wizzybar, methinks you emulated me! I too harangued HP over a missing post only to see it suddenly appear after it had cleared the vetting desk! LOl. As an aside good to see someone else with the courage to recognise what is needed.
19:05 on 29/02/2012
The thickos probably didn't understand it.
18:08 on 29/02/2012
I just don't get this! It was suggested that young people actually EARN their benefits, instead of demanding them as their right, with the added incentive of gaining work experience to adorn their CV and make it easier to find a job. What's so wrong? It's not slave labour - slaves work for nothing - these people are getting paid, by us, in the form of benefits.
It's the word 'entitled' that's getting us in a mess.
Those out of work are 'entitled' to benefits. Obviously, in many cases, that entitlement's a good thing, but when youngsters leave school expecting the state to keep them - to milk the system, in fact - it makes my blood boil. That's my money they're demanding as their 'right'. The money I earned through my working life - then forfeited in tax!
Anyone who wants work and can't find it has my sympathy - no doubt, the ones utilising this scheme. Those crying, 'slave labour', 'infringement of rights', 'I'm entitled' - before scuttling home to their XBox - should have their benefits cut!
OK, shout at me if you wish - that's my opinion! When my daughter-in-law was made reduntant, she went straight out and, within a week, had 4 part time jobs ... she didn't even consider benefits, let alone exploit the fact that she had a small child. She just sorted it. SHE'd been paying tax for years, if anyone was 'entitled' to help, she was ... not someone set on
22:26 on 29/02/2012
If they EARN their benefits shouldnt they get the proper rate of pay?
23:27 on 29/02/2012
By what standard?
Apprentices used to pay their employer to teach them a trade!
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01:03 on 01/03/2012
Yes' Ofcourse they should'..What difference does it make how old you are if you're doing the same job as others?...or at the very least' a decent wage to start with.
17:59 on 29/02/2012
I believe most people wants to do the services by taking up this volunteering jobs so they have training from employers and it is better for all really. In 1980 during this time there was YTS scheme where young person would go to work based training to know how everything works and what employers are looking for. I went to 3 different places for work experience and i did get job at one place after 6 months of 3 different employers, the employer really like my work, on time, i do the job been given and at the end one said we are looking for someone and you have all the quality we are looking for? The other 2 places i worked where what i learnt helped me to know things even to this day.

Would i have got the job otherwise? No never because i was just school kid who never had seen factory, stores and warehouses so how could i get job if i have no dam ideas about what take place there. I gain confidence and experience working with other people so i came to know wroking life behind the close doors so because of that i am still working over 30 years now.

It is good for the people who wants to get out from dole life and believe me no one wants to live there so government have done something good now so take the dam ride and feel it than complain.
22:28 on 29/02/2012
I was on a youth op scheme, did my year with all the rest.I never actually met anyone who got a job out of it. I wonder how many people actually did?
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01:09 on 01/03/2012
..Yeah thats right'..While criminals get Playstations'TV's'..Bloody i Pod's Three square meals a day'..Oh and a allowance to spend as they wish?...Where is the justice in that'..Does it mean these kids have to break the law to get their justice?