Pasty Tax Will 'Damage Cornish Economy' George Osborne Warned

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A campaign has been launched to oppose a proposed "pasty tax" which could see the cost of Cornwall's favourite food rise by 20%.

In the Budget announcement this week, Chancellor George Osborne said that he was looking at plans to add VAT to hot takeaway food from bakeries and supermarkets.

By closing the anomaly all food sold "above ambient temperature" would carry VAT.

It would mean that the cost of the iconic dish would rise by one-fifth, or add 50p to a £2.50 pasty - and hit the pasty industry in Cornwall hard.

Lib Dem MP Steve Gilbert, who represents St Austell and Newquay, asked for clarification on whether the changes would result in a "pasty tax".

"There is some ambiguity about whether the increase to 20% VAT for hot food will include pasties that are served from bakeries," he told the House of Commons.

"Not only is the pasty a staple, hearty meal, it also employs thousands of people and brings in millions of pounds into the Cornish economy."

Party colleague Andrew George, who represents St Ives, told MPs that "we will be fighting them on the beaches" in opposing a pasty tax.

And Labour backbencher John Mann asked on Friday: "Osborne, why has my cheese pasty gone up 30p?"


John Mann MP
Osborne, why has my cheese pasty gone up 30p?

Thousands of people have joined a Facebook campaign urging the government to rethink the plans. Cornwall councillor Alex Folkes, who set up the Say No To The Pasty Tax group on Facebook, said: "Plans by the Government to introduce VAT on hot takeaway food from bakeries and supermarkets will actually mean a 'pasty tax' which will cost Cornwall jobs.

"Cornwall is rightly proud of the pasty. But adding 20% VAT to the price will inevitably see a drop in sales with no extra money going to the baker," Mr Folkes, who is deputy Lib Dem leader on Cornwall Council, said.

"Lower sales will mean job losses in areas which cannot afford them.

"The Government has said that they are consulting on this proposal. I hope that they are genuinely going to listen to what people say about the impact on the Cornish economy and that they decide that a pasty tax is a bad idea."

An e-petition calling on people to oppose the move has also been launched on the government's website.

"In the Budget 2012 The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced that VAT would be imposed on hot food. This will mean that Cornish Pasties will also incur 20% VAT. This will severely damage the Cornish economy and could damage employment in Cornwall too," the petition reads.

Rob Simmons, a member of Cornish nationalist party Mebyon Kernow, said: "So if and when this legislation is introduced your £2.50 medium steak pasty will now be £3 and your £3 large steak pasty will be £3.60.

"So that's money out of ordinary decent Cornish folks' pockets, a blow to our bakers and hardly great news for tourism.

"The Government is undertaking a consultation and it will be the test of Cornwall's MPs if for once they put Cornwall and our national cuisine before the desires of their parties."

Takeaway pasties are a central feature of West Country holidays and a staple meal for many workers, stretching back to its origins in the tin mining industry.

Osborne said in his Budget announcement that anomalies in VAT would be scrapped on October 1.

Currently VAT is not charged on most food and drink but is payable on takeaway food sold to be eaten hot.

Baked goods that are put on display warm and subsequently cool down are presently exempt.

The Government has launched a consultation on the proposals, which will end on May 4.

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A campaign has been launched to oppose a proposed "pasty tax" which could see the cost of Cornwall's favourite food rise by 20%. In the Budget announcement this week, Chancellor George Osborne said...
A campaign has been launched to oppose a proposed "pasty tax" which could see the cost of Cornwall's favourite food rise by 20%. In the Budget announcement this week, Chancellor George Osborne said...
 
 
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11:21 PM on 03/27/2012
A HUGE number of Pasties in Cornwall are not sold in Bakers but in take-a-way outlets, often being manufactured elsewhere and just baked on the premises.

Therefore, don't those attract VAT already?

If that is true, does that mean that apart from the rather awful Greggs (regularly criticised for their high salt content and dreadful food), this is a bit of madness from the petitioners?
04:24 PM on 03/24/2012
I think that I have thought of a loophole for the retailers.
Sell the pasty cold Zero VAT. Provide microwaves in the shop, and allow customers to heat them at no extra charge. Bingo. No VAT due as the retailer has not sold them hot.
Get out of that Osbourne.
09:05 AM on 03/24/2012
never mind cornwall - this will cause a full on revolt in the North.
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07:28 AM on 03/24/2012
The rich will be in tears, only 5% tax cut and now they will have to pay more for their pork pie, god they will have to give up lunch. No problem for the poor though, LET THEM EAT CAKE !
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09:12 PM on 03/23/2012
20 % on all hot food, min alcahol price, petrol prices skyrocketing, Tesco prices gone up everytime you go in....so how come the government have the cheek to tell us that inflation is down in the UK when the reality is seem to be responcible for half of it going up themselves?
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08:53 PM on 03/23/2012
Taxing luxury food I can understand, but taxing food just because someone has heated it for you seems both weird and stupid. What's to stop shops like Greggs selling cold pasties VAT-free, and allowing their customers free use of a microwave?
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03:30 AM on 03/24/2012
Greggs already sells them cold as it is, if you go at the wrong time. Same thing with sausage rolls. Osbourne's so transparent when it comes to what kind of people he hates. He clearly just hates the idea of poor people actually being able afford something that will get them through the day. You watch, pork pies and Branston pickle will be next.
07:38 PM on 03/23/2012
I got a nice hot loaf of Bread today! Thankfully it was VAT free? It was nice with lashings of butter and freshly cooked chips. VAT on the chips though!
07:36 PM on 03/23/2012
What about the Hot Pie, Hot Sausage Roll, The Scottish Bridie and all the other traditional foods scoffed by scruffy people in the streets. We have banned smoking in public places because of Lung Cancer, we are talking about attacking the Booze Culture because of its effect on liver disese and antisocial behaviour. Lets ban eating in public on the basis that it looks disgusting and aids the spread of Obesity.
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07:07 AM on 03/24/2012
Or we could just let people do what they want in a free country? If people smoke in public it doesn't hurt me, so let them do it, if they drink in public, it doesn't hurt me, so let them do it; if they eat pies in public....well you see where I'm going with this?

If the government really cared about health they'd ban these things, not just tax them more. The're using health the way they tried to use 'the environment', as a way to justify raising taxes.
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06:30 PM on 03/23/2012
Will this tax affect Greggs? Their pasties are usually cold by the time they sell them.
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08:49 PM on 03/23/2012
To be fair, it's a little off classifying them as food in the first place.
12:05 PM on 03/25/2012
You honestly have no idea how ridiculous that is, do you?
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06:27 PM on 03/23/2012
What about those foreign markets that go on tour of British High Streets in the Summer or at Christmas? As far as I know if they EEC nationals for example French trading in England they can opt to pay the host countries VAT rate, instead of French VAT, obviously they have to first make enough to hit the British VAT start amount but the bonus is they start from zero here, that means they probably wont need to pay any VAT here. They can also nip across and do the same in Holland, Belgium all starting from zero there etc
06:00 PM on 03/23/2012
Are there no depths to which this government will not stoop? Taxing of food is just not on. Think of this, also... How many families dine off a supermarket hot chicken every week? Consider the alternative of buying an uncooked chicken and roasting it at home in the oven... All that gas and electricity wasted, all those greenhouse gases produced... And where's the logic? Supermarkets will just offer ready-cooked chickens, which have been allowed to cool, and supply re-heating instructions. "Chicken ding" I think they will call it...
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05:30 PM on 03/23/2012
I don't see the problem. All those high earners will be able to buy extra pasties with the extra cash they get now that the 50p tax has gon down to 45p
And poor people and pensioners shouldn't be spending their money on luxuries anyway.
05:22 PM on 03/23/2012
Does this mean we will all have to pay VAT on hot food from the local chippy?
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06:14 PM on 03/23/2012
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We already pay VAT on fish and chips, its inclusion on them was sadly the last straw for too many chippies and what trigged so many to close down
06:24 PM on 03/23/2012
thanks for that, I did not know.
05:12 PM on 03/23/2012
ha ha,lets see if the pound bakery[aka sayers] manage to keep their gear at £1 now,trouble with pricing everything at a pound to close down all the surrounding independant bakeries,is you have nowhere to go when something like this happens.reap what you sow,sayers ,and that goes for greggs too.
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05:24 PM on 03/23/2012
quite happy with the pound bakery myself, why pay over the odds.
05:48 PM on 03/23/2012
not really a case of paying over the odds,in life you get what you pay for to a degree.what they do is devalue better quality product ,you can get any old slops to taste ok with the right flavourings.what happens is they close down most independants that cant compete with greggs/sayers buying power,in spite of usually offering a superior product.a little like the supermarkets with petrol,how many independant petrol stations are around now.then what happens is when people have a monopoly position,they will screw you till the cows come home