British Man Babar Ahmed, Jailed for Eight Years, Facing Extradition To USA

Posted: 5/04/2012 15:45 Updated: 5/04/2012 15:45   PA

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Campaigns have been running to try Babar Ahmed in the UK since his imprisonment in 2004

A British man who has been in jail without trial since 2004 while fighting extradition to the US on terror charges has pleaded to be charged and tried in Britain.

Babar Ahmad, who is accused of running a US-hosted website which encouraged terrorism, said he has never been formally questioned about the allegations against him or been presented with any evidence.

Mr Ahmad, speaking on the BBC Radio 4 World at One programme following a High Court challenge by the broadcaster to secure the interview, admitted he had previously fought "battles" in Bosnia but said he believed "terrorism to be wrong".

He told the programme: "I am facing extradition to the United States and spending the rest of my life in solitary confinement.

"I have never been questioned about allegations against me and I have never been shown any evidence against me.

"It is fair to say I'm fighting for my life and I'm running out of time."

Mr Ahmad said that if he had been charged and tried in 2003, he would likely have been released from a British prison by now, even if he had been found guilty.

He accused the British police of "outsourcing" the case to the Americans.

He said: "All the offences against me are alleged to have happened in this country.

"Had the police and CPS put me on trial in 2003 - which they could have done - I would have left prison years ago regardless of the outcome.

"I have been in this nightmare fighting extradition for the past eight years.

"I absolutely reject any allegation that I have supported terrorism and in any way and in any place - whether in Chechnya, or Afghanistan, or any other part of the world.

"I believe terrorism to be wrong and I believe targeting and killing innocent people to be wrong."

And he added: "The right place for me to respond to these allegations is either in a court of law or a formal police interview."

The BBC is scheduled to broadcast the full interview on Newsnight tonight.

Mr Ahmad said he faced spending the rest of his time in solitary confinement if he was handed over to the Americans and questioned whether anyone could prepare themselves for such a fate.

He said there was "no chance" his family would be able to come and visit him.

He said: "I'm going to a foreign land, where you don't know anyone, where we have nothing to do with them, far away from your family and loved ones.

"It is a nightmare no one would wish on their worst enemy.

"I try not to think about it. The future is just too horrific to think about."

The European Court of Human Rights is due to rule on Tuesday whether Mr Ahmad, and others including Abu Hamza, should face extradition to the US.

The court has been considering whether transfer to the US Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum, Florence, Colorado - known as a supermax prison - would breach Article 3 rights on prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment.

The BBC carried out its Newsnight interview at HMP Long Lartin following a year-long battle with the Ministry of Justice for the right to broadcast and film an interview with Babar Ahmad.

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01:40 PM on 04/06/2012
Free rights are upheld in America, you have a choice to die by electric chair or lethal injection if guilty of the murder of innocents.
08:48 AM on 04/06/2012
as soon as the police get them thay all say i didnt do it ERRRR HELLO WAKE UP
08:45 AM on 04/06/2012
you only have is word for it
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
08:36 AM on 04/06/2012
Next time, host your 'site' in the UK.

Have fun. I hear Guantanamo is very warm this time of year.

Had the UK cared about your case, it would have tried you by now.

Clearly, it does not.
02:55 AM on 04/06/2012
Some peoples comments are ridiculous and short sighted. Don't you see if you allow this to continue it will eventually be used against you or your children. I don't care if his guilty or not, I care that he receives a fair trial here in the UK!!!!
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:22 AM on 04/06/2012
totally agree

produce some evidence and charge the man then have a trial

and if you can't do that after 8 years then you have failed

it is called rule of law start breaking that and the future is bleak to say the least

(V for Vendetta, 1984...)
12:07 AM on 04/06/2012
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?! The fact that a British citizen has been locked up for almost 8 years with out charge is itself a travesty of justice. British citizens need to be tried in this country. It's shockin that in this case the evidence was never seen by the CPS, just demonstrates the extradition treaty is completely imbalanced in favour of the USA.
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:22 AM on 04/06/2012
100% agreed
12:05 AM on 04/06/2012
In this country we have the right to a fair trial period, either the evidence exists or it doesn't it is simply unacceptable for a man to be kept in prison for 8 years with no charges.

Those commentators asking if this man has the right to kill the answer is absolutely not, however no evidence has been presented indicating that he has.
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:23 AM on 04/06/2012
spot on

scandalous situation
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jacksdad41
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03:26 PM on 04/09/2012
Conpiracy to commit acts of terror is as serious as the act itself - Bin Laden and Charles Manson comitted no murders but were as responsible as the killers themselves. Search for the evidence, it is all there and he ran a website hosted in the US - that is the reason for extradition to the US and that is where he should be tried.
10:24 PM on 04/05/2012
God bless America!!! The last bastion of the free and the brave!!!
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
08:38 AM on 04/06/2012
I believe the fact is it is the UK that has held him without trial for eight years.
10:17 PM on 04/05/2012
Unlike Great Britain the US is not soft on Muslim terrorists. Our Christian prayers are with the innocent victims of 9/11 always. God bless America.
10:01 PM on 04/05/2012
i love the ignorant comments on this, just because this gentleman is Muslim, this is about Due Process and habeas corpus , have trial here in the UK, show evidence, then let people decide, people seem to have decided on his guilt without any evidence, and no i do not trust the American system compared to ours, it is not about being soft but being proud of our legal system when it is allowed to function without influence from outside whether it be the CIA or Europe. The main question is why has he not been charged and held without charge for such a long time.
10:00 PM on 04/05/2012
He wants to be tried in his own country..............Fine send him there.
10:13 PM on 04/05/2012
born and brought up in britain. D'oh!
10:29 PM on 04/05/2012
Not everything born in a stable is a horse.

He aint britishand we don't want terrorists in this country.
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:25 AM on 04/06/2012
he is in jail in his own country, held without charge for 8 years
02:36 PM on 04/06/2012
If he treated this country with respect it would be his country, but he doesn't. He wants to have shariah law and may be willing to kill to get his own way.

Held for eight years is disquieting BUT he's killed no-one in that time. Would you want to be the person who released him if he then kills innocents?
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09:45 PM on 04/05/2012
Babar Ahmad, is accused of running a US-hosted website which encouraged terrorism.

To undertake any such website is asking for trouble, with being a muslim he should have perhaps been more careful than most, if he is innocent I am sure justice will prevail, but I am afraid he must answer to the appropriate authority and at present under the current agreements signed up by Labour we have no option but to hand him over. This should serve as a lesson to any who partake in such websites.
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:27 AM on 04/06/2012
you what?

8 years in max security jail without charge and it's his fault?

what's next? No GCSEs go to jail you shoulda done better?

over 80 years old? sorry but you are too unproductive here is your euthanisia pill...

where does it stop?
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
08:39 AM on 04/06/2012
It stops when your paranoid imagination stops.
09:37 PM on 04/05/2012
let the yanks have him....they wont be as soft as we are !!!
08:36 PM on 04/05/2012
Mr Ahmad said that if he had been charged and tried in 2003, he would likely have been released from a British prison by now, even if he had been found guilty, I think that says it all !
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:28 AM on 04/06/2012
it says nothing more than he is being held illegally
KenInd
We too shall get through this.....
08:44 AM on 04/06/2012
In what way?

Where is he legal challenge?

Where is his appeals to the ECHR?
10:39 AM on 04/06/2012
I think you need to take your blinkers off, what it is I am trying to say, IF found guilty in the US he would probably get a longer sentence than if found guilty in a UK court, and that is why he wants to be tried here, if innocent he has nothing to fear from any court, but if found guilty he should get the longest sentence possible, and if that means trying him in the US so be it!
majdf18148
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08:24 PM on 04/05/2012
On the face of it, the story and his pleading words, this is an innocent, maligned man denied justice and incarcerated for nothing. He says the likelihood, had he been charged in 2003 and imprisoned, was that he would have been released by now. So what crime(s) does he accept he is guilty of that might have caused him such a sentence in the first place. Friends, there is so much more to this than what meets the eye; as evidenced by jacksdad's snippet below and other available information. Google him! I abhor the need to imprison anyone without trial, it transgresses everything part of my ideology and my belief in justice for all. However, every so often, in the name of national security and the protection of the public there will be known terrorists who the justice system know to be a danger but for a variety of reasons cannot bring to court.The reasons for that are for another day's debate. In such circumstances as much as it grieves me to say it the greater good has to prevail and such people have to be kept locked up or deported to face trial in whatever country charges them.
03:03 AM on 04/06/2012
loool...my friend this isnt a jack bauer case...with respect that was a very ignorant answer....its funny how your conclusion is based on the assumption that hes guilty of a crime is the first place...if you want to live in a society whereby you believe that justice can be circumvented for the apparent greater good then who draw the line my friend.
Richard Britton
British Socialist Global Realist
03:32 AM on 04/06/2012
transgresses your ideology of freedom but you will make an exception in cases like this

greater good? hah! hook, line and sinker

the ultimate end of this paradigm is summary execution of the undesirable "for the common good"

it has happened many times before and when you make exceptions it can happen again

our process and the rule of law is what separates us from the dictatorships that oppose our way of life