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Change Your Mind: Is Iran A Nuclear Threat To The West?

The head of MI6, Sir John Sawers, says Iran could have nuclear weapons within "two years". But is he guilty of exaggerating the nuclear threat from the Islamic Republic? Or should we be worried about an Iranian bomb?

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Toby Greene Director of Research for BICOM

The reported comments by MI6 chief Sir John Sawyers that Iran would likely achieve nuclear weapons by 2014 only confirm what was indisputable to anyone who has looked at the evidence. Iran wants nuclear weapons and is fast developing the capacity to construct them. This is not based on shady intelligence or dodgy dossiers. The evidence of Iran's nuclear weapons programme was scrutinised for years by the IAEA - a cautious multilateral body not given to alarmism - before they declared it 'credible' in a detailed report published in November 2011.

This was nearly ten years after Iran's secret and illegal uranium enrichment facility at Netanz, and heavy water reactor at Arak were first uncovered in 2002. These facilities were not necessary for its legitimate civilian nuclear programme, but were important for developing the fuel for nuclear weapons. It was this discovery that set the IAEA inspectors on the trail of Iran's true intentions. Iran's failure to disclose the Natanz and Arak facilities were only the most blatant of many Non-Proliferation Treaty breaches, leading the IAEA to declare Iran 'non-compliant' with its commitments in 2005.

Tehran has since ignored a string of binding UN Security Council resolutions demanding Iran cease its illegal activities, and only increased the scale of its programme, and enriched at levels every closer to weapons grade uranium. Iran was caught lying again in 2009, when another secret enrichment facility - not big enough to make civilian fuel, but just big enough for weapons fuel - was discovered at Fordow.

In the last few months Iran rejected new demands from the IAEA to inspect the Parchin facility where they believe Iran has been testing explosives for a nuclear trigger, and the Iranians have been covering up what it was doing there. If all that were not enough, David Cameron warned a Commons committee in March that Iran is developing missiles that would potentially provide a delivery system for nuclear warheads to reach as far as London.

Should Iran succeed to develop these weapons, it would shift the regional balance of power in its favour. Iran has a violent anti-Western regional agenda which includes support for extremists throughout the region, including those fighting British forces in Afghanistan, armed Palestinian radicals opposed to peace, and the Assad regime in Syria. Iran also has a strategic goal to attain hegemony over the Gulf, which is the source of a significant percentage of the world's oil, threatening global oil markets and the UK economy. Acquisition of nuclear weapons will enhance Iran's capacity to promote its dangerous agenda, enabling it to threaten its smaller, pro-Western Arab neighbours and, with its long range missiles, Europe directly. This would likely lead to a Middle East arms race, as Arab states would seek to obtain weapons to deter Tehran.

How to stop Iran getting the bomb, including whether or not to use force, provides sharp policy dilemmas, but no one should be in any doubt about the cost of failing to do so.

This piece was co-authored by Jules Robinson

Paul Flynn Member of Parliament, Newport West

Those who brought us Britain's role in Iraq plan a fresh war of illusion.

The drumbeats are sounding and excitement is mounting as the boys anticipated playing again with the toys.

Even Tony Blair is back, eager to repeat his 2003 'triumph'. He could not have stopped the Iraq War but he could have done a Harold Wilson and kept British soldiers safe at home. Blair bullied, bribed and bamboozled 80 reluctant Labour MPs to abstain or vote for war.

The Commons majority for war was 179 - exactly the same number of British soldiers who were killed in pursuit of non-existent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. 422 soldiers died in Afghanistan protecting the UK from a non-existent Taliban terrorist threat to Britain. How many will be in deadly peril to defend us from non-existent long-range Iranian missiles carrying non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons?

The Daily Telegraph is scaremongering by repeating the US/Israel nuclear scare.

It has replaced the Russian war threat that kept Western fear levels simmering and the arms trade prospering for half a century. The Iran lie was the pretext for locating US missiles in the Czech Republic. Putin was rightly outraged with a transparent lie. The war was on the brink of rebuilding a new cold war.

Beyond the world of propaganda the facts demand a hearing. Tehran does not have a bomb, has not decided to build one, and is probably years away from having a deliverable nuclear warhead. Mossad and the CIA agree

The November 2011 report of the IAEA did not claim that Iran has a nuclear weapons programme. Iran is not in breach of any obligations under the NPT : Israel is. Iran's nuclear facilities are open to IAEA inspection: Israel's are not Israel, which has many of 400 nuclear bombs and the ability to deliver them to any capital in the Middle East.

As the UK plan unaffordable new nuclear power stations. Iran is being denied the uranium enrichment that is their "inalienable right" under the NPT.

The Daily Telegraph cannot manage a blush of embarrassment at the double standards that could propel us towards war.

The US, Israel and others, who are threatening military action against Iran, are in breach of Article 2.4 of the UN Charter It requires that all UN member states "shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state".

The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, has said that the possession of nuclear weapons is a "grave sin" and Iran has never invaded another country. Are we doomed to repeat the madness of the Iraq War and the Helmand incursion? In both lands vast sacrifices of blood and treasure will result in one rotten government being replaced by another rotten government. The consequences of an attack on Iran are incalculable.

The weakest link in the belligerent posture is the absences of an answer to the question, in what circumstances would it serve Iran's interests to attack with a nuclear. To all nations and to the planet, mutual assured annihilation is not a plausible choice.

Why do they claim it is?

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09:02 PM on 10/25/2012
Everyone has this stigmatized as another Iraq/Afghanistan. This may be the case, but if Iran weaponizes U-235, it will make Iraq/ Afghanistan look like a small regional war(which it most certainly is not). Iran has strong connections to Gaza (Hamas), Lebanon (Hezbollah), Syria....... Imagine the capabilities of radical groups all across the world with access to Iran's nuclear technology.http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/13/change-your-mind-is-iran-a-nuclear-threat_n_1671224.html#
05:11 AM on 07/16/2012
Deterrence: inaction caused by the perception of danger.

please notice, no danger, no deterrence

Mutual Nuclear Deterrence makes both venues unsafe for war.

danger good!

No nation wants or needs Nukes except to deter sociopathic belligerent governments from attacking.

Iran needs Nukes... and everyone knows this... but Israel and the US are going to attack if she tries to get Nukes.. But Israel and the US will be attacking Iran anyway... Iran needs Nukes to establish Mutual Nuclear Deterrence with Israel and the US. I hope she soon shows the world that she has Nukes.. Things in the midEast will then become more civilized very quickly.

A few Nukes can deter many Nukes.
04:57 AM on 07/16/2012
Mutual Nuclear Deterrence makes both venues unsafe for war.
03:42 PM on 07/15/2012
"The Iran lie was the pretext for locating US missiles in the Czech Republic. Putin was rightly outraged with a transparent lie. The war was on the brink of rebuilding a new cold war." I am sorry but I cannot believe the pandering to a dictator implicit in this sentence. The reality is that Iran, Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan are the biggest threats to world peace as each of these countries are mired in tyranny and ruled by parties and cliques that oppress their citizens. The possession of nuclear weapons by these countries is the biggest threat to the world as the governments of these countries do not care about their own people, and would have no problem with murdering others. Make no mistake, if Putin, the North Korean junta or the Iranian theocracy had a chance to launch a first strike against the West, they would take the opportunity. I personally agree with Flynn that Britain should not go to war with Iran, but I have no doubt that a nuclear armed Iran takes us one step closer to midnight, even it is arguable that the Neo-Con 'regime change' (ie invasion) of Iraq is probably the factor that has persuaded many in the Iranian hierarchy to move towards acquiring nuclear weapons.
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05:02 PM on 07/14/2012
As much as we may hate the thought of Iran having nuclear weapons; Iran is a soveriegn nation and can progress ANY military plan it chooses.

Pakistan, India and Isreal already HAVE nuclear weapons (two of which we still give "financial aid" to help the "poor, starving and disenfranchised by the way) and if ever anyone wants to start wagging the finger of "potential" fears for the future, then maybe we should start with these!?
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03:26 PM on 07/14/2012
Flynn is a bit short on fact and seeks to create an arguement against based on emotion and not reason. At the same time he is a politician and they are known for anything but the truth. Regardless ant arguement for action will have to be backed up by fact.
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03:16 PM on 07/14/2012
I want to address Tom McCann, Syni Can and Molliblum, Huffpost will not allow my posts. I promise you that i am not shying away from this issue. I tried to answer with what i thought was constructive material but in doing so i mentioned that i was not a great lover of Israel or uncle Sam. In doing this i must have upset someone and as before when i go against these two counteries my posts do not get through. I promise that i never shy away from any subject that i take on, as i do not mind being proved wrong, nor do i celebrate the fact that i come out on top.
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03:11 PM on 07/14/2012
It's impossible to make an informed decision without access to the full facts.

Since the powers that be can't or won't come to a decision on the threat level posed by Iran or even agree the developement stage of any weapons or weapons grade material is it realistic to pose such a question without summoning up visions of Blair and WMD.
northern git
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02:04 PM on 07/14/2012
I don't think that even Iran and it's leaders would, even if they developed a nuclear weapon would deign to use it. They surely know that they would be starting something they would have no chance of winning or finishing to their advantage.

If by any chance it did, Iran being well despised by many nations, would be the mutually assured destruction of Iran.

started one day and finished the next and Iran would almost certainly cease to exist in any form we would recognise
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01:58 PM on 07/14/2012
The headline asks "Is Iran a nuclear threat to the west?"

There is not one shred of evidence that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.
(Even US intelligence has confirmed that)
Iran has not violated the terms of the NPT.
Iran has not invaded any country in centuries.

The easy answer is: No.

So what threat does Iran pose?

The threat of an independent, resource-rich Muslim-majority nation in a geopolitically strategic location? The threat of allying itself with countries other than the US? The threat of undermining the petrodollar? The threat of becoming more influential in the Middle East than the US? The threat of taking control of crucial resources through pipeline deals with neighbouring countries? The threat of eroding American hegemony and control?

The easy answer is: Yes
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05:51 PM on 07/14/2012
I love you Molli!!!
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06:08 PM on 07/14/2012
Sorry, but I have a dinner date this evening. ;-)
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05:53 PM on 07/14/2012
Makes complete sense, well said.
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06:07 PM on 07/14/2012
Thanks
01:27 PM on 07/14/2012
Is it not strange how Israel can have Nuclear Weapons, undeclared and secret! but no other nation is allowed to do so. It is no wonder that Iran wants a nuclear weapon. The region is continually under threat from the Right Wing leadership in Israel and yet the West ignores the cause. I feel that the whole matter is being used by war mongers to hype up a non event. It makes the weak politicians, Blair and his ilk, feel powerful as they allow the young men of the war supporters to die in foreign fields. The hand of friendship, the understanding of others point of view and a world of human kindness would all help! Finally the end of organised religion would really help.
10:07 AM on 07/14/2012
Not so much Netanz as Lavzin Park near Tehran. I tried getting out there when I was briefly in Iran last year, no go. North Korea is also a threat as is Belarus.
09:51 AM on 07/14/2012
Any where in the world if we will have threat of nuclear that would be from America or Israel not from Iran. Who was the first one to use nuclear ? Japanese are still suffering and paying for it. Iran having a nuclear will bring balance and stability in the region and no seven year Palestine child will be kicked on the back by Israels soldiers. So Iran having nuclear in the region is very important for the whole world. Sooner they have nuclear better for the whole world. Apart from America and Israel.
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12:23 PM on 07/14/2012
To say that the sooner the better Iran has nuclear arms is beyond belief, Iran and North Korea are two of the most unstable countries in the world and are ruled by mad and unstable minded individuals and religious fanatics . The Americans did use the atom bomb on Japan in WW2 and killed hundreds of thousands, true, but the alternative was a continuation of that war which would have led to millions more being killed as the Japanes people were brainwashed in to fighting to the last man. Iran wants them in order to dominate the region and beyond. I worry about having people like you in our midst Tariq Raja.
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05:54 PM on 07/14/2012
Jim,

No one knows about North Korea, but Iran is neither unstable nor led by maniacs. You're believing the hype mate. I don't like the Iranian regime because it's reactionary and mean spirited, but that hardly makes it either a threat or unique.
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David Brown1949
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05:56 PM on 07/14/2012
Iran= balance and stability, if thats not a oxymoron I do not know what is.
06:28 AM on 07/14/2012
nuclear weapons is very dangerous for any country.....
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05:40 AM on 07/14/2012
I dont like nuclear weapons, they are pointless and stupid. They are like any other weapon in that it depends who has them. I wouldn't let a sexually frustrated, self loathing, fascist,the lord has given me instructions, Im going to get a load of virgins when I die (male or female?), Its still only the 14th century, Lets stone rape victims, loony toons, have an air pistol so nuclear weapons are out of the question.