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We Must Recognise That Real Women's Lives Are at Stake in All of This

Posted: 17/10/2012 12:48

On Tuesday morning Mehdi Hasan was on a prime slot on the Radio 4 Today programme airing his, now well known, anti-abortion views.

It would be easy to dismiss his recent interventions on abortion as controversy for controversy's sake. But real women's lives are at stake in all this. And, as Mehdi seems to determined not to let the issue rest, is important to nail some of the misapprehensions behind his arguments and those of his new-found friends on the right.

He is, of course, entitled to be personally anti-abortion. There are numbers of women, who whilst they strongly support a right to choose, would not necessarily themselves exercise the choice to have an abortion. At the very least, many women who support a right to choose would find it a personally agonising decision. Nor do I argue that men don't have a right to a view on abortion. Furthermore they are welcome to try and persuade the women in their life on the subject. But Mehdi has gone one step further. As a journalist he has stepped into the public space to support the forces against a woman's right to choose.

Since publishing his column Mehdi has posed as a hapless victim. But, by lining up with anti-abortion forces, he is actually shoulder to shoulder with some of the most powerful forces in Western society. In Britain alone, he is siding with at least two major newspaper groups who campaign ceaselessly to undermine a woman's right to choose. The international anti-abortion group 40 Days for Life is currently praying outside no fewer than nine abortion clinics in Britain seeking to intimidate women from going in and giving out false information. The religious right in the Conservative Party is lavishly funded and on the offensive. And then there is the little matter of the worldwide Roman Catholic Church.

Mehdi argues that, although he supports the arguments of all these people, he is not actually calling for further legal restrictions. This is disingenuous. If your arguments reinforce one side in an important political fight, you cannot dissociate yourself from the practical consequences.

Mehdi insists on describing himself as pro-life. He apologises for using the phrase. But somehow he keeps on using it. So, by inference, the rest of us are death dealers. Or, as described in the quote from Christopher Hitchens he began his original column with, those in favour of a woman's right to choose are happy to: "Still a heartbeat, switch off a developing brain, break some bones and rupture some organs."

Mehdi has now apologised for quoting from Hitchens. But he has not apologised for framing the debate as a conflict between the rights of the unborn child and women's rights. Yet this is the classic right wing position and wholly dishonest. Mehdi doesn't seem to notice that the same people who agonise over the unborn child, often abruptly lose all interest in the child when it is actually born. The truth is that the real issue is women's rights over their own bodies. In the world of Mehdi's new right wing friends, men have absolute rights over their own bodies. But women? Not so much.

In defending his anti-abortion position Mehdi has frequently resorted to patronising putdowns. Often these have been directed at women, who had been offended by his remarks. He accused me of jumping on the right-to-choose bandwagon. Actually, I was marching to defend women's reproductive rights when Mehdi was in nappies. Which is presumably why he doesn't remember. But there is reason why I, and so many other women, feel strongly about a woman's right to choose. It is because any feminist, worth the name, knows that control over own bodies is ground zero for every educational, social and economic advance that women have made in the last century. Millions of women in poor countries around the world rely on the case being made that women are more than their reproductive function. Women's equality is based on the belief that we are more than walking/talking receptacles for the foetus.

But it is time to move our gaze from Mehdi Hasan and to the real threats to women's reproductive rights out there. There is no question, for instance, that by calling for 12 week time limits for abortions Jeremy Hunt has actually softened political opinion up for cuts in abortion time limits that are a little less drastic but equally have no basis in medical opinion. Marie Stopes is opening a new clinic in Belfast, which is already being threatened by anti-abortionists. And the "40 Days for Choice" campaign is trying to raise awareness of increasing intimidation by anti-abortionists.

 

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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:01 PM on 10/21/2012
Well done Diane Abbott. The rights women now have were hard won, but will oh, so easily be lost if right wing know it alls, authoritarians, and certtain medja hacks have their way.

I particularly liked the reference to demonstrating for women's rights when Hasan was still in nappies.

The forces of reaction are at large in our society big time, and they seek to roll back the freedoms of the individual in service to their ideology. You see it happening all around. Having been alive for a good few decades now, I sometimes despair at people's willingness to thwart and censor those they do not personally agree with.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:41 PM on 10/21/2012
And by 'forces of reaction' I mean an unholy alliance between right AND left wing political ideologues; and muslim, christian and other religious forces seeking to preserve the privileges they have enjoyed at the expense of others for centuries. A loose knit coalition of illiberal forces only too happy to press for ever more repressive laws, laws which result in absurdities like the angry woman who ranted on the tube about non white people, and the twit who disrupted the boat race, actually getting JAILED. Think about that for a moment.

I can't believe we have actually criminalised freedom of speech and action to that extent. It's almost as if the enlightenment never happened. Anti blasphemy, anti offense legislation is simply a bully's charter by another name.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
01:41 PM on 10/21/2012
Diane Abbott's last blog on Huffington Post used the words "Tories" and "Right Wing" ten times more than the word "abortion". Diane always frames abortion as a "right to choose". Let me put it this way: others who avail themselves of public funding have very little freedom of choice, if at all. If I were to receive housing or council tax benefits, I cannot choose to live in a mansion in Chelsea. Likewise, if I was ill, I cannot choose my treatment.

BPAS and Marie Stopes are registered charities. Therefore, they can and should exist on donations. Then taxpayers can choose whether or not to pay for abortions. I'm sure Ms Abbott is so passionate about giving women abortion on demand, she will happily donate half her income. The NHS can perform abortions for the (less than 5%) of cases of rape, incest and where the mother's life is at risk.

It seems to me that it is safer and easier to perform an abortion at 11 weeks - so instead of fighting lowering the limit tooth and nail, advocates of choice should encourage women to have abortions sooner rather than later, and suggest ways that the system can be improved along those lines.

It also seems to me that we should all be looking at ways to improve the lives of women, not just in terms of pay, but contraceptive advice and availability, childcare, and teaching boys to respect girls and girls to respect themselves from an early age.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
04:02 PM on 10/21/2012
Better sex education and better provision of contraception would drastically reduce the number of abortions in the UK. In the Netherlands although abortion is available on demand they have far fewer abortions and teen pregnancies than we do in the UK because they invest in sensible sex education.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
04:40 PM on 10/21/2012
I read a study of European attitudes towards sex education, and the types of education in the various countries and from what age. This is definitely a worthwhile conversation, and if you read my posts I am one of those constantly advocating for the Dutch system, and I think it would be a solid investment of taxpayer money to make sure each child is taught from age 7 not just how their bits work but how sex should be a part of loving relationships, our bodies are not cheap commodities, feelings are important, etc.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:04 PM on 10/21/2012
"I'm sure Ms Abbott is so passionate about giving women abortion on demand"

See, you lose the argument right there. You are parodying her position and it does you no credit.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
05:37 PM on 10/21/2012
What is incorrect about that? She is a fierce and very vocal advocate of abortion on demand and without equivocation frames it as a "choice" and shoots down any and all discussions as to nuance and what kind of policies we really want. For example, instead of addressing the social reasons why we have such a high number of abortions and repeat abortions, why we have such a high number of teen pregnancies, Diane zeros in on the "women have the right to determine what they do with their bodies" argument. Never, ever, an examination of the real reasons why so many women have unwanted pregnancies. In other areas including health we try to look at root causes and address them positively. A combination of government-led public awareness, NHS assistance, legislation prohibiting smoking indoors and taxation has hugely reduced the number of smokers in Britain. There are so many things we can do to reduce abortions without banning them, by educating/public awareness, availability and promotion of contraceptive use, and so forth.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
09:38 PM on 10/21/2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9104994/Sex-selection-abortions-are-widespread.html

This is a major reason why we should reduce the limit - to before the sex of the child can be determined.
10:46 AM on 10/21/2012
There is nothing so dishonest as to pretend that this is solely an issue about what women do with their own bodies.
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Kara Kramer
10:39 PM on 11/15/2012
Spoken like a man, someone who will never be pregnant yet feels the need to insert yourself where God and nature NEVER intended you to be.
Don't want an abortion, don't have one.
You have NO RIGHT to treat a woman's body like your personal rental space.
NONE.
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wendyweb47
Keeping an open mind
01:07 AM on 10/21/2012
I abhor abortion but I realize that it will never end - for some women it is a choice they will make.For those like Mehdi Hasan and others who say 'ban all abortions' I'd like to point out a few things.

By banning all abortions we as a society must provide more funding to:

- provide education to pregnant teens and single mothers
- provide free or low cost daycare so these young women can work and support their families
- provide housing for pregnant woman who cannot support themselves
- provide housing, support, job training, education and life skills for women (and their children) fleeing domestic abuse and unplanned pregnancies due to rape

We must also ask ourselves:

- Are we prepared to jail women who have had abortions? Who will then look after the children they already have?
- Are we prepared to jail women who say they are thinking about abortion? Do we as a society then take their children from them after they are born? Who looks after the children they already have if they are in jail?

How much more in taxes will you willingly pay to end abortion? It is not a black and white issue that can be solved by just banning it. It will go underground - women will self abort - they will permanently damage their bodies and/or die. Will you then step up to raise the children they leave behind?

Just some things to think about.
08:36 PM on 10/20/2012
US statistics are incomplete as some States don't compile abortion statistics (eg: California which accounts for more abortions than any other state in the U.S). However it seems that there are approx 1million abortions p/a in the US!
Maybe we should consider that the real topic of discussion is not who has the right to abort or not, BUT maybe we should be concerned about our society's morality and value system....?
I read an article on abortion this is what the technician said: I practice anesthesia. During my training I witnessed one [abortion]. They broke the fetus' arms and legs then snapped the neck, but it took multiple attempts to snap its neck. Then they sucked it out. Never again.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
03:51 PM on 10/21/2012
That's a very late term abortion, so chances are it was presumably carried out because the foetus was severely ill or a danger to its mother's life. Why do anti-choice people always focus on these later term abortions which are only a tiny fraction of all abortions?
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Kara Kramer
10:46 PM on 11/15/2012
During my internship in a 'prolife' country, I witnessed a girl who had a botched abortion dying. They brought her in with blood running down her legs, feverish and delirious, her womb was perforated in three places, she was operated on and died before sunrise.
Never again?
NOPE.
Two days later I saw a woman die on her seventh pregnancy, she was severely hypertensive and diabetic, but her birth control failed. her labour halted, a caesarian section was performed but her blood pressure never properly fell and she never regained consciousness.
Never again?
NOPE.
A week later, another teenager died from a botched abortion, after multiple transfusions, and a week her mother spent praying by her bedside. her mother never even knew who got her pregnant.
Shall I go on?
In every pregnancy , there is more that just a fetus, there's a WOMAN.
Anti choicers tend to forget that.
I won't.
Never again.
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02:25 AM on 10/19/2012
How many abortions take place because the male sperm donor is less than thrilled with his impending fatherhood? How many abortions take place because being a single parent is an amazingly difficult job?

Take a look at the children who are battered and ill-treated (or worse) - they are generally the unwanted ones.

Every child should be wanted.
10:44 PM on 10/18/2012
I agree wholly with your article especially the fact that pro-life lobbyists seem to not care once the child is born. We could begin before the child is born too: woman are vilified for becoming pregnant and deemed spongers for going on maternity leave and potentially coerced out of their job once they return. They were a part of the government's and the NHS's austerity cuts today as they were told to breastfeed for longer to help save money. They are again vilified for breastfeeding in public.

Are women and their children not to be seen or heard once the abortion has been prevented?
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12:56 AM on 10/19/2012
The pro-life lobbyists obviously are focused on their point of view, and blind as you rightly say to the welfare of the child once it is born. The wealthy in society should have no say in directing the offspring of the poor, unless they are willing to adopt a benefactor role in financially raising the child. In light of the austerity measures imposed upon the poor by the ruling rich elite, it is obvious what CHARITY shall be given.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
02:12 PM on 10/21/2012
As someone who donates quite a lot to childrens' charities, I resent that generalisation. And since BPAS and Marie Stopes are both charities, why do they rely so heavily (98%) on taxpayer funding and not on donations? You also (wrongly) assume that women who have abortions are unilaterally poor. They're not. The number of women who are in university or gainful employment who have abortions purely because they think a baby would hamper their future career prospects, or because of pressure from their well-off partners (including for sex selection), is quite high.
09:03 PM on 10/18/2012
If men think they can have a say on abortion, then maybe they should only sleep with women they want to have children with or wait until they're married, and society should stop showing women as sex objects. Maybe women have abortions because the men are nasty about them being pregnant, and it's cruel to bring an unloved child into the world.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
01:48 PM on 10/21/2012
The Netherlands has the lowest abortion rate in Europe and one of the lowest in the world. Before you say "Go figure...", apparently the answer is, they teach "respect" in sex education classes which begin when the children are little (7 years old or so). The boys grow up to be men who respect women, and the girls grow up to be women who respect themselves.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
06:48 PM on 10/21/2012
I agree with you here MelRoy, I think the Dutch approach is far better than ours. People celebrate sex as being part of a loving relationship, rather than banging on about abstinence.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
04:04 PM on 10/21/2012
Every child should be a wanted child.
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Mneme
The truth shall make ye fret.
08:53 PM on 10/18/2012
I disagree with the author one one point; I don't think men's opinions should have any bearing on this issue whatsoever.

As a man I know that I will never understand how it would feel to find out I was pregnant, or what pregnancy and childbirth really mean to the person that's actually experiencing it. I am not qualified to form a relevant opinion on this subject and never will be. So I would urge all other men, like Mehdi Hasan to keep their mouths shut, because guess what? Women don't need YOU to make this decision FOR THEM. They do not need your protection, your innate patriarchal 'wisdom,' or any of those other euphemisms for your own unconscious urges to masculine dominance.

Of one thing however I am certain. The legality of abortion would never, ever come into question if men could get pregnant.
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Philip J Sparrow
When your work speaks for itself, keep quiet
05:34 PM on 10/18/2012
The 'debate' is over for the most part. According to a recent YouGov poll, conducted just after the Conservative minister had mooted the lowering of the time limit, shows that only 6% want abortion banned; 47% favour keeping the law as it is and a further 4% would support extending the limit beyond 24 weeks.

Of those who want the limit lowered, the majority only want it taken down to between 18-20 weeks. Interestingly, there isn't a great difference between people of different ages or different political affiliation.

The 'pro-life' movement (i.e. those who actively oppose abortion) are in a minority so small as to be politically insignificant. They may be louder and more vociferous, but otherwise there is no reason to suddenly make this an issue; it smacks of distraction tactics from the Tories and Hasan has fallen for them.
01:37 PM on 10/19/2012
Excellent analysis.
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DJPotterWriter
03:35 PM on 10/18/2012
What a disingenuous article. Why is it "easy" to dismiss Mehdi Hasan's article as "controversy for controversy's sake"? If you think that Hasan doesn't believe what he has said, you should explain why.

Why is Hasan not "entitled" to advocate a change in the law? Doesn't democracy entail that people vote on issues that don't necessarily affect them? Women vote on issues of frontline combat, childless people vote on schooling, and so on.

The fact is, the law does restrict a "woman's right to choose" after 24 weeks. Unless you support lifting that restriction, you too are opposing that right.

You are right in saying that Hasan can't dissociate himself from the practical consequences of the positions that he advocates. But, the same is true of the pro-choice side too.

I doubt that Hasan believes that men have absolute rights over their own bodies. For example, as a Muslim, he probably supports the mother's and father's 'right' to circumcise their son (note the great deal of input by women, among them Angela Merkel, during the recent controversy surrounding male genital mutilation). Besides, most people, including you, do support breaching an individual's self-ownership, when it suits you, e.g. taxation, jury duty, drug-prohibition.

Why should Hasan apologize for quoting Christopher Hitchens? And who are these "right wing friends", or are you simply using "right wing" as a synonym for 'incorrect' or 'immoral'?

There's so much hypocrisy on both 'sides' of this 'debate'.
03:06 PM on 10/18/2012
It's time to move the debate it's time to campaign for no time limits! Take the fight to the anti-abortionists, put them on the back foot!
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10:25 PM on 10/21/2012
In that case I must ask you why there should be a restriction on a woman terminating her new born baby. After all, what is the mystique about exiting the womb? Is there some bit of magic that comes into play, making a foetus a human being with rights simply because it takes breath?

That is the inevitable, illogical conclusion of a position based on no time-limit on abortion.
02:33 PM on 10/18/2012
Christopher Hitchens he began his original column with, those in favour of a woman's right to choose are happy to: "Still a heartbeat, switch off a developing brain, break some bones and rupture some organs."
however the pro choice lobby dress it up, this is the realiy of abortion and women have the right to know what their choice involves. Women need to know that whether they like it or not their bodies will greave for their lost baby. Yes women should have the right to choose but it must be an informed choice with the opportunity for non judgementle councellin should they find they need it later.
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Thismortalcoil
Science is the poetry of reality
03:58 PM on 10/18/2012
You are the one twisting the truth.

The biggest study to date, which looked at data from 44 different studies, found conclusively that whether a women with an unwanted pregnancy has an abortion or goes on to give birth, her risk of having mental health problems will not increase. So despite the stigma of people like you calling women who have abortions selfish or murderers, most of them do not regret their choice, or, as you so oddly claim, find that their bodies greave.

What's more the vast majority of abortions are carried out at around 8 weeks, so why pretend that the reality of abortion is about 'switching off a developing brain'? Neural activity doesn't begin until around 35 days after fertilisation, and brain development takes much longer to complete. The latest scientific opinion suggests that foetuses are unconscious until around 20 – 24 weeks.
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
01:53 PM on 10/21/2012
Then why do 95% use Ground C as the reason for having the abortion? Isn't that fraud? And isn't fraud a crime?
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Catriona
Wha daur meddle wi me?
04:27 PM on 10/18/2012
"Women need to know that whether they like it or not their bodies will greave for their lost baby."

=LOL= Bodies don't 'grieve'. What a load of propagandistic rubbish.