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'You Suck!' US Vs UK fandom

Posted: 27/10/2012 01:00

"Hey buddy. You suck!" was the starting point. Before you knew it, a few hundred Yankees fans were echoing the chant. Nothing surprising here, except the shouts weren't directed at the Red Sox taking on their heroes on the field of play. Instead they were aimed at a couple trying to take a cheesy photo of themselves in the bleachers. This was as intense as the atmosphere got, in a game where the Yankees were battling to secure the division title against their bitter rivals.

A few weeks later, over in England, a Yorkshire derby between Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds United was marred when an away 'fan' ran onto the pitch and assaulted the home side's goalkeeper Chris Kirkland. The game was sound-tracked by repeated obscene chants aimed at managers, players and fans alike. Sheffield Wednesday coach Dave Jones labelled Leeds fans "vile animals" and called for them to be banned from away grounds.

Back in the Bronx, most people sat happily chatting away, stewing slowly on overpriced beers and wandering around to frequently top up on corn-based snacks. What was most striking was how congenial everyone was. Nobody sat on the edge of their seat, biting their nails and swearing under their breath for hours on end. Few hurled real abuse at the officials, players, or even opposing fans. Many only glanced at the action every now and then.

The same occurred at a Knicks game I attended earlier in 2012, and Patriots vs Broncos match a few days after the Yankees ballgame. Three different sports, all with crowds enjoying communal fun. In America sport is a social occasion, not a life-and-death embodiment of their hopes and desires. When was the last time you had actual, tangible fun at a football match in England?

This doesn't mean British fans care more about their teams than their American counterparts. They just express it, on the whole, with far more anxiety and far less delight. This could make the satisfaction of victory less fulfilling in the US; when the Yankees won the division, the cheering was no more jubilant than when a consolation goal goes in for a losing Championship football team.

The differing cultures are brought out again in their singing styles. The lack of inventive chanting at American sports grounds is staggering. While English football crowds seem determined to turn The Beach Boys' Sloop John B into a funereal dirge as they explain their respective strikers "score when they want", each team do have their own quirks and clever songs. At Yankees, Patriots and Knicks games, most audience noise is spoon-fed via loudspeaker direction. "Let's go (insert team name), let's go," can only stay bearable for so long. "DE-FENCE" gets intolerable quite quickly and regular yells of "USA! USA! USA!" are just plain bizarre to an English onlooker.

There are exceptions. Red Sox fielder Jacoby Ellsbury was being lightly mocked by the Yankees bleachers regulars with chants of, you guessed it: "You suck!" Two seats down, a New Yorker lampooned the vapidity of the chants with a wryly delivered: "Mr Ellsbury, I question your ethics. Pardon me, sir, but your demeanour is disquieting!" On my limited experience, this exception proves the rule though. Nevertheless, at the US games singing never deteriorated into personal, vitriolic abuse, as it so often does in UK sport.

Another striking element of American sport is the singing of the national anthem before play and, in baseball, the performance of 'God Bless America' during the seventh-innings stretch. Sport becomes a vessel for outpourings on national pride, and delight in the particularities of America. The same only happens in the UK when national teams are playing, and even then is treated as a dated formality rather than an integral part of the overall celebration. Group-sponsored patriotism isn't really a thing in England in the same way as America.

It could be argued the more important the sporting competition is deemed by the fans, the more likely they are to be highly engaged. The atmosphere becomes increasingly intense; in turn the chances of this spilling into violence grow. Nothing excuses incidents like players being assaulted by fans, and of course they are not particular to the UK either. But if football games here had some of the sociability of sport in the US, they might be more pleasant places to spend an afternoon.

 

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"Hey buddy. You suck!" was the starting point. Before you knew it, a few hundred Yankees fans were echoing the chant. Nothing surprising here, except the shouts weren't directed at the Red Sox taking ...
"Hey buddy. You suck!" was the starting point. Before you knew it, a few hundred Yankees fans were echoing the chant. Nothing surprising here, except the shouts weren't directed at the Red Sox taking ...
 
 
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01:39 PM on 10/31/2012
Brilliant, another journalist who thinks British sport consists purely of football. Please please please do not lump in the rest of Britain's sports fan with the animals that are called "football fans"!! You can quite happily walk around any other sport event in Britain, be it rugby, cricket, boxing, hockey, without having to worry if some neanderthal is going to punch you in the face for wearing the wrong colour shirt. I'm not saying they are any less committed than a football fan, just that they can express it in other ways than violence of four letter torrents of abuse.
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07:08 PM on 10/29/2012
Crowds at Patriots and Yankees games are hardly representative of American sport fans. You could probably find something comparable to the atmosphere of the most intense football match at a big time College basketball game.
02:40 PM on 10/29/2012
lets keep it in context first Baseball and American football are utterly boring and require little skill. they stop every 2 or 3 minutes for a break, Football is fast skilful and passionate. Now i know there are those who have arrived at the game over the last few years because, they think it is the current `in thing` they also have their own very petty Left wing PC biases and hate the working class supporter of the game. They are the ones who hear at every Chelsea game politely clapping when some player makes a pass of at least 3 yards, as Roy Kean said about a large section of UTD fans they arrive to eat their prawn sandwiches and wouldn't know a football if it hit them.
these are the writers and `fans`? who get themselves into a knot about racism, homophobia and want to know why there are no women on the teams.
really they should return to the boring sports that they left and leave football to people who love it, appericate it and usually spent years at various levels playing the game.
04:12 AM on 11/12/2012
Ah yes, I wondered why the longstanding support of hooliganism existed in football and now I know...folks like you. How silly of me to think that instigating fights, shouting racist slurs and behaving like a juvenile should be frowned on. Now I realize I'm an overly sensitive PC type. All along I thought I was maturing...thanks for straightening me out.
11:32 AM on 11/12/2012
oh dear some one didnt check his facts did he. take a look at other sports they have fights etc at almost all team events here , europe and america.
you will also find that the worst racism is found in sports like tennis, Golf, cycling, all equestrian events, rowing, swimming etc, unless you can name the hundreds of top ethnic competitors in these sports.
football has a great mix on and off the field , unlike the above.
there is a problem at times with comments shouted but there are far worse ones then fans shouting that a player is black.
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06:46 PM on 10/28/2012
I'm sure it's just one of those unfathomable cultural thing that have us all scratching our heads on both sides of the pond (it's always seemed utterly bizarre to me that some groups of people in America are prepared to shoot and kill each other over the color of a bandanna, or even the brand of training shoes they prefer to wear).

But sports-related riots are by no means unheard of in the US, which makes the baffled tone of this article seem a little puzzling.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2011-08-22-stadium-violence-shooting-raiders-49ers-game_n.htm

http://www.academic.marist.edu/mwwatch/spring03/articles/Sports/sportsfinal.html

http://www.vice.com/en_se/read/american-sports-fans-are-dicks

http://www.usatodayeducate.com/staging/index.php/ccp/recent-fan-violence-questions-safety-at-college-sporting-events
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Seaniebhoy
05:06 PM on 10/28/2012
Can we call it what it is...it all comes down to consequences...in America, the consequences of ones actions (in a legal/criminal way) is far more harsh, and potentially deadly, than in England. The police are more likely to be violent with you in America, and the prison terms far longer in a prison system far worse...that is - in a nutshell - why Americans have learned to behave better, because I'm certain had the Kirkland incident occurred in America, the guy would have gotten a far worse punishment than the 3 or 4 months he was sentenced to.
02:50 PM on 10/29/2012
there have been many cases of fans attacking players and Coaches in America . It was just over a year ago that in a game between the 49ers and Oakland Raiders, fans fought a running battle in the ground, the same occurred between the Ravens and Chiefs.

there has been violence between fans at many sports for decades, i recall the massive fights, between rugby league Fans in the 70`s and 80`s they rarely got coverage in the press, often ended in running battles through shopping centres and visiting coaches having windows smashed.
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Seaniebhoy
03:46 PM on 10/30/2012
One off instances of rage...here it was organized, to the point that the hooligans were selling pins, patches and shirts. Newspapers did bios of the groups and their leaders and writers have made a living writing rubbish stories about them. I have been to football matches and American sports macthes....I can tell you now that at no point did I ever feel threatened walking into Yankee stadium, however on many occasions I have felt un-safe walking into a football match
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OH72
05:02 PM on 10/28/2012
well, they have professional cheerleaders in the US... Europe can do without them:
http://youtu.be/UdG4syk5B8g
http://youtu.be/zu2tinYWw8o
http://youtu.be/dqp6KTuWJU0
http://youtu.be/LYDeqU4kLic
http://youtu.be/El4GY7AAlwg

So when it comes to sociability, I think there is quite a lot to be said about fans on this side of the pond - these tifos don't magically appear overnight, but rather a lot of work is put into them.

As for the habit in the US of singing the national anthem - much like the habit of having the flag in just about every other front lawn, it misses the point that inflationary use of something devalues it. When flag-waving and singing the national anthem any given sunday qualify as "patriotism", it means that patriotism can be exercised by three year olds who don't even understand the meaning of the word.
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Seaniebhoy
04:55 PM on 10/28/2012
"When was the last time you had actual, tangible fun at a football match in England?"

A very, very good point.
10:06 AM on 10/27/2012
this is why football has never interested me. the clubs over charge for tickets and replica shirts, the pre madonnas on the pitch are over paid and get away with anything, they set a bad example to kids both on and off the pitch. but i'll never understand how so called fans fight etc etc. its a game for ffs!!
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08:47 AM on 10/27/2012
Maybe it the often! cold miserable wet weather they have to put up with, so they need more excitement to keep their blood circulation moving...Then again football fans are intensely tribal........
07:54 AM on 10/27/2012
When you meet St Peter at the Pearly Gates, the first question you are asked is 'Did you ever watch a sporting event ?' If you answer with the affirmative a booming voice resonates with 'That is specifically not what I put you on earth for !' and then it's the down-escalator all the way.

How you 'enjoy' spectating your chosen sport event is, really, a pretty arbitrary matter considering that.
01:19 AM on 10/27/2012
The author seems to have got confused between 'sport' and 'football'.
12:25 AM on 10/27/2012
As a Yank who is a die hard Leeds United supporter, I watched with dismay as Wednesday's keeper was clocked by a fellow Whites fan, away no less, and with stewards who should have done a better job in keeping that invasion from happening.

The American sports experience is a bit different...mostly. Baseball is a complete snooze-fest until the playoffs, and then it's only exciting for the fans of the two teams involved. American football on the other hand, it depends. Come to a Seahawks game in Seattle and you will find a fully involved crowd of 68K at the Clink, giving their all for the home side, no opposing fans attacked, and your ears will be ringing when you leave. A Bears/Packers game the animosity will be apparent within seconds.

Where you'll find the kind of passion you are used to, is the emerging soccer supporter culture in the US. Singing, chanting, deriding opposing players and coaches, it exists here. Not to the level of professionalism as in the UK, but it's building. For instance, the last Seattle Sounders FC/Portland Timbers MLS derby at The Clink just two weeks ago. 66,542 attend, and the support was loud and crisp, with away supporters sequestered into their own section.. Tension, hatred, yes, but everyone walked away. And while they were there, had that edge of the seat, gut wrenching atmosphere that I find unique to real football. Here's a sample: http://youtu.be/hsij97FKK_A
10:47 PM on 10/26/2012
What utter nonsense. The British fans are vastly more passionate, involved and inventive. Violence is such a rarity at football matches now. The football songs are funny, clever and creative. At rugby matches, there is never any violence, but the intensity is just the same. You have clearly never heard the Welsh national anthem being sung by a rugby crowd in Wales. It gives you chills of the kind I have never experienced in the US, and I am not Welsh. New York sports fans, and teams, don't even sing the national anthem.

I lived in New York for 5 years and was a massive Yankees fan. They were just at the beginning of their resurgence after years of mediocrity when I arrived, they won their first World Series for 20 odd years. Their was huge excitement, of the kind you see at any ordinary premier league match. I never saw the pure joy of the 2003 Rugby World Cup win, or any of the Champions League wins by British teams.

I like the social atmosphere at Yankee Stadium very much indeed. Long summer afternoons spent at the ballpark are glorious, but they have none of the visceral drama of a significant British sporting event of any kind. And the constant snacking by the fans is just weird, about the least appropriate accompaniment to an elite sports fixture as one can imagine.
08:38 PM on 10/27/2012
One of the problems we have in Rugby is the young person who wants to play but unfortunately brings a "soccer Dad" to the match. These soccer dads think it ok to shout abuse and need to be spoken to.

We want the young players but we wont put up with abuse of officials, players or other fans.
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10:17 PM on 10/26/2012
It's a proven fact that violence enhances the enjoyment of any event. Dance recitals, jazz festivals and automobile races especially.
07:47 PM on 10/26/2012
How wrong can a man be.

Footbal fans LOVE it, and the songs are indeed inventive - and for the most part fun to be chanting. A couple of years ago, at an FA Cup round, conference side vz Permiership team. The premiership team had a 2/3rd empty stadium - and the visiting fans cheerfully burst into song "Sh** ground, no fans" to the tune of an hour chiming on a clock.