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Arming the Police Would Be a Step in the Wrong Direction

Posted: 19/09/2012 11:24

The tragic deaths of two unarmed policewomen in Manchester yesterday will inevitably lead to calls from some quarters for on-duty police in the UK to be armed. But before we pursue such a course of action, we need a proper examination of the facts.

We should listen to those who know best - the police themselves. A 2006 Police Federation survey showed an overwhelming majority (82%) of police opposed the routine arming of on-duty police officers. Despite a rise in terrorism and gun-related crime since similar surveys in 2003 and 1995, officers questioned remained steadfast in their opposition to armed policing.

Interestingly when asked if a decision were made to train and arm all police officers whilst on duty, out of the 13.8% who said they would never carry a firearm on duty, an incredible 56% claimed that they would resign from the force rather than accept an order to carry a firearm. That would have a dreadful impact on the ability of the Metropolitan Police to serve Londoners.

It is also worth looking to examples from other police forces around the world to see if arming the police would keep them safer. In the United States 511 police officers were killed between 2000 and September 2010. Of those officers killed 51 were slain when they own gun was turned against them.

Male or female, armed or not armed it would not have made a difference in this situation. Tragically these two dedicated officers were deliberately lured into a trap. This awful event should not be used to devalue the many occasions on which we have seen female officers outperform their male counterparts in their ability to defuse tense standoffs and persuade agitated individuals to act reasonably.

We should resist pressure at these incredibly difficult times to arm the police when it could in fact put our officers in more danger.

Arming the police would be a step in the wrong direction and would go against policing by consent and the history of unarmed policing in this country. I hope the Mayor & other politicians will resist pressure on this.

Rather than dwelling on the idea police with weapons or the fact that the officers killed were female, we should focus on what officers need: on risk assessment, training and when needed specialist backup. Let us not forget in this debate that the Met and other forces already have well trained specialist backup squads who are armed with guns and taser who should be called upon in potentially fatal shootings.

 

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The tragic deaths of two unarmed policewomen in Manchester yesterday will inevitably lead to calls from some quarters for on-duty police in the UK to be armed. But before we pursue such a course of ac...
The tragic deaths of two unarmed policewomen in Manchester yesterday will inevitably lead to calls from some quarters for on-duty police in the UK to be armed. But before we pursue such a course of ac...
 
 
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Edgar H
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18:38 on 23/09/2012
It is all very well to ascert that 82% of the federated ranks voted no, or to state that 13.8% stated they would never carry a weapon on duty and of those 56% would actually resign, however what you do not state is the percentage who voted.

What is not said is that you are including all Officers:
The Sergeants and Inspector ranks are included within the Federated ranks.
Officers involved in non operational departments and policing tasks.

Ask those who patrol the streets or are involved in direct policing, then see what your answer is.

Lastly you said, "Let us not forget in this debate that the Met and other forces already have well trained specialist backup squads who are armed with guns and taser who should be called upon in potentially fatal shootings."
Unfortunately if you are the unarmed officer responding and, you are the potential fatality, having a back up ten minutes away is uno comfort. Sadly you have not answered the question nor offered a solution, you have said nothing new or remotely inventive.
13:51 on 20/09/2012
As I said in a previous article. If we arm the police I will arm myself.
Police are paid to protect our streets through mutual respect not fear.
10:52 on 20/09/2012
If everybody had guns, there would be less stabbings! Cops should have guns, so they dont have to run so far, then we could hire more unfit cops like the States. Seriously tho, people tend not to tackle the cops if the know they will 'shoot to kill' and why not? Our cops deserve to be kitted out with stun guns, tasers, pepper spray AND firearms. Dont worry about the crooks, they already have their kit sorted.
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jimbraid1
20:31 on 20/09/2012
Yes, my feelings exactly.
09:40 on 20/09/2012
So Jenny - interesting figures from the USA but what about France? Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium even Switzerland? Are they experiencing a crisis? Is their blanket and routine arming causing mass distrust, continual shootouts?
No of course not. So lets do that survey again, after all it was last done in 2006 - and see the result this time. Also, lets break it up into those that actually work on the from line and those that don't.
Let's have a debate based on facts - not lies.
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jimbraid1
20:32 on 20/09/2012
Good posting ROUCynic
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Peter Leary
So long and thanks for all the fish.
07:48 on 20/09/2012
The simple fact is that we have some true undesirables who manage to get themselves into police uniform. The likes of Simon Harwood are hardly unique and the vetting/monitoring of officers for psychological suitability is clearly woefully inadequate. In short, we have numerous police officers on the streets who should never, ever be given control of firearms. There are already specialist, heavily armed units and their numbers have been massively increased - it's enough.
07:25 on 20/09/2012
Nick Clegg i right this time in what he said against arming all police. Public ownership of guns of the type police would carry is totally banned in this country which makes them very desirable. Imagine a policeman getting garrotted in a darkened back alley, just to get his gun.....
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cardiff1963
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01:14 on 13/10/2012
Garrotted in a darkened back alley, What century are we in?
19:52 on 19/09/2012
Arming the police in this situation would not have made the slightest difference. They were shot on site and a grenade was thrown at them. Whether they were armed to the teeth, they still would have been killed. Arming the entire police force is utterly infeasible not only for financial reasons, but also that it would seriously affect their ability to communicate as effectively with the public. Most people are intimidated by firearms and for good reason.
What would be more realistic is to up the number of routinely armed officers on the beat. Whether it is only one in ten or one in twenty the risk that an officer may well be armed would be enough to make many criminals think twice. Not only would it double the reaction time by the police to heavily hostile situations, but it may well reduce the violent crime levels in the majority of UK cities. Facts are clear that most criminals are utter cowards, hence the reason burglaries against the elderly are far higher than that of middle aged couples.
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jimbraid1
20:35 on 20/09/2012
I see where you are coming from Xaero, but which police do you arm and which ones do you not ?, this was a 'routine' call, would armed or unarmed answer these calls ?.
21:06 on 20/09/2012
Unfortunate thing about this case is that the lure that drew these officers to the premises was entirely non-threatening. They believed they were there to comfort and discuss details of a break in that had previously happened. As far as they were concerned there was no-one there of risk.My proposition was to routinely arm small numbers of police in a random manner, meaning that for any possible crime being committed there was a chance that an armed officer may be part of the dispatch to the premises or incident. So for instance out of 10 police cars of an evening on patrol, maybe one would have an armed officer on-board. The point would be to keep the armed police presence to a minimum, but still have enough out there to give would be criminals something to think about.
17:13 on 19/09/2012
"Male or female, armed or not armed it would not have made a difference in this situation."

Really? I guess we will never know but i wonder if the shooter would have devised such a plan if he knew that the officers attending the scene would be armed. Raol Moat shot an unarmed couple, killing one, shot an unarmed police officer and declared war on the police. Until they tooled up of course, at which point he vanished.

"Arming the police would be a step in the wrong direction and would go against policing by consent..." Speak for yourself. It's a thorny issue which the police themselves have to resolve but for what it's worth i do hereby give my consent to the police being routinely armed.
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Paul Wagland
Resistance is fertile
19:26 on 19/09/2012
Something like 85% of police don't want to be routinely armed. I'm totally with them.
00:48 on 20/09/2012
I would not speak to an armed policeman, nor invite him into my home.
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jimbraid1
20:37 on 20/09/2012
Oh really ??, even if you suspected there was a criminal in or near your house and your family could be at risk ??.
16:05 on 17/10/2012
I wouldn't even speak to an unarmed Policeman, let alone invite one in!
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GavinSaunders
Bollox.
13:46 on 19/09/2012
The police are just one gang amongst many.Giving them guns would be tantamount to street warfare.Think I'll head for the hills...
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jimbraid1
20:38 on 20/09/2012
Bye