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Will Britain Finally Get A Referendum on Europe?

Posted: 22/05/2012 00:00

A quiet suburban street set in the leafy suburbs of Cheadle, Manchester, yesterday witnessed a coming together of a former Leader of Manchester City Council, Labour MP Graham Stringer and a local Conservative MP with a strong independent streak, David Nuttall. This unlikely couple had joined forces with activists from the pro EU referendum campaign, 'Peoples Pledge' to launch a new campaign for three mini referendums in three Manchester constituencies.

The fact that all three constituencies; Cheadle, Hazel Grove and Withington are all held with slender majorities by Liberal Democrats might in other circumstances explain what brought the two MPs together, since both real Labour and real Tory supporters loathe the Liberal Democrats. And it is the case that the Liberal Democrats under Nick Clegg are horribly exposed on the issue of having an EU referendum, since prior to the last General Election, that is exactly what Nick Clegg was promising. It is this perennial slipperiness of the political Establishment, that brought campaigners together in Manchester, for if MPs and candidates can be made to see how strong their electorates feel on an issue such as this, and pledge - on video - to vote for and in/out referendum, there is precious little wriggle room come the next General Election.

Referendum campaigners are pretty confident of getting a fairly overwhelming vote in favour of having an EU referendum when all three constituencies go to the polls on 19 July. In Thurrock, Essex, over 80% voted in favour in a turn-out of 30%. This in an area with a historically low turn-out of voters in elections and this in a constituency where barely 24% had voted in the previous local government elections.

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(Left to right) Graham Stringer, Labour MP for Blackley and Broughton, David Nuttall, Conservative for Bury North, Cllr Anthony O'Neill, (Conservative) Heatons North Ward, Stockport Council

Clearly fast-moving events elsewhere in Europe, particularly in Greece and Spain, are giving added impetus to the whole issue of Britain's relationship with the European Union. They are also driving the issue closer and closer to the decision makers in the main parties. In recent weeks, we have seen a growing number of establishment Labour figures accepting that a referendum may have to be held. Pro EU supporters such as Lord Mandelson, have re-entered the political fray and have made oblique noises designed to be interpreted by different people to mean different things. But there is no doubt that recent pronouncements from Peter Hain and Ed Balls show that the political landscape is set to change quite radically. A senior Labour MP told me that his Shadow Cabinet friends certainly detect a shift in thinking by Ed Miliband. No clearer signal of these shifting political sands was the appointment of Labour MP, Jon Cruddas, to front up the party's current, all embracing Policy Review. Cruddas is on record, having spoken to the People's Pledge on video, as supporting an EU referendum. His political antennae, especially when it comes to what many working class voters are thinking, is key to Labour beginning to win back some of the five million of those voters it lost the last time around.

There is of course no guarantee for either side - those who would stay in, or those who would exit that once out of the bottle, the genie can be returned. Currently, voters attitudes to the EU are hardening further, as the Euro-zone splinters apart under its own contradictions and German recalcitrance. Conversely it is just possible that a new Euro zone, centred on Germany and the Benelux countries, could one day begin to make the EU more popular as an institution. But for now, these are imponderables. For Ed Miliband and Labour, this is make your mind up time. The Labour leader will be by now aware that in making a firm commitment to hold a referendum at the next election it would throw the Coalition into utter chaos and split the Conservative Party from top to bottom. Miliband's new policy supremo will also be able to see just how popular this move would make Labour with its traditional base.

Of course, should Ed Miliband, make this seismic shift, he will be accused of populism, seeking cheap electoral advantage and potentially playing with fire. But in truth, and for all of those pundits who have been trying to find Miliband's 'Clause Four moment', the moment when he breaks with the all party consensus over the EU, is just that moment. All of the signals are that he now knows it.

 

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18:21 on 24/05/2012
http://www.sheilaoliver.org/

Have a look at what Mark Hunter and Andrew Stunell LibDem MPs for Cheadle and Hazel Grove) were either involved with or completely condoned, particularly the toxic waste dump school, the town hall protester and Offerton Precinct.
00:51 on 24/05/2012
This of course would be total opportunism by the TOTAL OPPORTUNIST Ed. There is more chance of Ed Balls not mentioning VAT than there is of Ed Milli taking us out of Europe - were else is he going to send his brother?
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carneliancrystal
Do I believe all the propaganda of course I do
23:24 on 23/05/2012
. . . _ _ _ . . . give us a vote on Europe . . ._ _ _ . . .
20:17 on 22/05/2012
Millibland, like Camoron, will promise anything on the election run up so that he too can have his 15 minutes of fame before retiring to the kibbutz with a pocket full to brimming with pound notes. Safe seats for these oxbridge boys and their guarantee of a place in history is all that concerns these self centred pricks, its these and the toerags behind the scenes who should hang their heads in shame for dragging this country into the EU and the consequences the majority have had to endure over the last 40 years. A little justice wouldn't go amiss for all of our political class, beginning with hanging drawing and quartering every single one from Heath onwards.
19:26 on 23/05/2012
lol
19:49 on 22/05/2012
No. It will never happen until PIIGS fly.
19:37 on 22/05/2012
The leading politicians in the three main parties are massively in favour of being in the EU. It may not be working for the UK public where 80% of new jobs go to immigrants but does that really matter?
There is no chance whatsoever of a referendum because it is not in the interests of, or wanted by all the leading politicians in the UK. A referendum is just a pipe dream.
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
17:26 on 22/05/2012
Remember that referenda are non binding in the UK. Be careful of what you wish for.
13:56 on 22/05/2012
So in Thurrock they had a mini referendum on the issue did they? The fact that only 30 percent turned out when they had a chance speaks volumes on what the silent majority think of this issue. The people you need to convince are the 70% who didnt turn out and would they REALLY vote No? If push came to shove, do you think that the hundreds of thousands whose jobs rely on European companies would vote to leave the EU? Do you think that Ellesmere Port would have had look in last week if we were outside the EU? Or the Airbus plants in Filton or Broughton - the only remnants of a once proud civil aviation industry that was torn up and closed by BAe Systems. How about BMW which owns Mini? Or Siemens, which employs tens of thousands in the UK? The fact is that EU countries invest massively in the UK, as we do in them. When we mention Norway or Switzerland as alternative models - when was the last time either of them received massive inwards investments? If we do have a referendum then we need to make sure that people vote with their HEADS and not hearts on this.
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Nathan0316
TrueBlueTory Age quod agis
13:28 on 22/05/2012
We will never get a referendum on this issue. The result would be so resoundingly anti-EU (without having to campaign) that people would be out there making the white cliffs of Dover higher!

What would all the gravy-train riders do then?
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Gunderan
Who let the Libertarians out without supervision?
12:55 on 23/05/2012
Very true and who would politicians of the right including Labour blame for the miss-management and corruption then.One good thing is UKIP would vanish as they don't have any other policies apart from Europe.
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Nathan0316
TrueBlueTory Age quod agis
13:32 on 23/05/2012
You do realise of course that if Dave did give us a referendum or stand up to the European Court of Human Rights over prisoners voting we'd have a Tory Government in a snap?
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Edgar H
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10:49 on 22/05/2012
We will never get a choice on this issue. Far too many people are making a great living in Brussels. The EU does not believe in the democratic wishes of the people, this is why we are run by un-elected commissioners and have a President no one voted for. At least the Iranians get to vote!
19:25 on 23/05/2012
Yes but we don't get shot if we don't vote the way we are told :)
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Edgar H
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09:01 on 24/05/2012
I'm not saying the vote isn't rigged, but regardless they vote. Mean while the EU, has the cheek to send observers to other countries who have the right to vote.  
07:58 on 22/05/2012
The only time the British people will get their referendum will be when most enter into some childlike state and start to believe in this great European Fairytale Land.

At present only politicians, and particularly LibDems, reside within this fairytale and receive fat allowances from the EU, or as bloated industralists they dream of the day when an expanded EU will include North Africa and can then call on a pool of even cheaper labour than they do now.
00:17 on 22/05/2012
All of the signals are that he now knows it.
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What signals?