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Appetite for Police Commissioners Poll Should Sound Death Knell for Tory Attack on Unions

Posted: 16/11/2012 12:48

"With only around one in 15 voting for him, he has no authority to write the policing plan, set the local taxation for the police, or be a very powerful figure in the community."

Poor Angus Macpherson - the Tory candidate who made history by becoming the first ever directly-elected police and crime commissioner in England and Wales - damned by his government's own policing minister Damian Green before the euphoria of victory had even had time to wane.

Except Green didn't say this about the Wiltshire election on a turnout of less than 16%, he actually said the measure of success won't be the turnout, it will be what the commissioners achieve in the coming years. Quite right.

My version of the minister's quote - actually a hybrid of his condemnation of one of our strike votes earlier this year and his endorsement of the authority imbued through the ballot box - deliberately tells us very little about democracy, but quite a lot about Tory hypocrisy.

While these low turnouts will be debated and analysed, one thing is clear: they should sound the death knell for the ludicrously shrill cries from some quarters of the Tory party and their supporters for greater restrictions on trade union ballots.

You can't expect to be taken seriously if on the one hand you say unions have no mandate to strike - which will only ever have a short-term effect on the public - while on the other, you champion the democratic right of police commissioners to reshape policing in our communities for years to come.

We would all like to see more people taking part in elections; we need a thriving democracy, where as many as possible get involved and have their say. The real issue is what we do about improving participation across the board.

Tory laws, unrepealed by Labour, restrict union members to a postal vote in strike ballots. This is outdated and reform is long overdue.

We have consistently argued for alternative voting methods. The technology exists for online and phone polling to ensure we maintain the security and independent verification that postal voting provides, and we believe that this could also be extended to the workplace.

So it comes down to this: do the Tories and the government want genuine reform for the better? Or is it just possible that they simply want to prevent union members from exercising their democratic right to withdraw their labour in the face of ideological and unnecessary cuts to their jobs and living standards?

 

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03:39 PM on 11/21/2012
Quote: "these low turnouts will be debated and analysed, one thing is clear: they should sound the death knell for the ludicrously shrill cries"

What was the turnout for your last strike? (Actually it was 20% with 57% voting in favour)
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08:44 PM on 11/16/2012
Here's a thought - how do you expect to be taken seriously when you create (in your own words) a "hybrid" comment then base your argument on it? The role of unions and the police commissioner appointments are two very separate things, not something you mash together comments about then claim it supports your point of view!

The reason unions are losing members is because they just want to take, take, take without ever giving anything in return - for instance, civil service pay rises without extra training, bus driver demands for massive bonuses just to work their normal jobs during the Olympics and as for Bob Crow demanding a 12% increase for Tube drivers, well, I don't even need to point out how insane that is, do I?

Maybe if the Union leaders remembered that your organisations were set up to protect workers and not destroy businesses if you didn't get whatever you wanted, the public might show you a little respect. I doubt it, certainly not while Crow has anything to do with you, but they might.

I wouldn't, but then, I know too much about you.
10:23 PM on 11/16/2012
Exactly, if Union bosses had to persuade the public that a strke was justifiable on the grounds of health & safety, redundanncies or a living wage then we might accept the threat of disrupting our lives as justified.

Instead Crow throws his bloated weight about 'just to show he can.' He can call a strike with a minimal number of respondants & disrrupt millions of lives. It's not a case of 'use it or lose it' more 'abuse it and you will lose it.' Crow has already earned a massive pension pot & has nothing to lose.

Eventually the Govt will have the balls to crush Union piracy. Unfortunately, it will destroy the good side as well.

Mark Sewotka, beware the company you keep and the causes you champion.
06:07 PM on 11/16/2012
And the reason for the disastrous poll turnout? It would seem the candidates have got too used to sitting on their asses in front of their PC's rather than getting out amongst their constituents and actually explaining their ideas!

Most people had no idea who they were to vote for, let alone what those candidates values were on the subject.

I received one flyer from the conservative party just the day before voting was due to take place. On the same day I re-read the polling card and was amazed to find a website address which I had to go to if I wanted to find out the candidates values. A lot of my family do not have PC's, and although I do, and use it for hours daily, I did not notice the web address on the polling card which I needed to go to and it didnt occur to me to actually look for it, with again, no notice that polling was breaking into the world of the internet.

How can anyone be enticed to vote for a candidate without knowing their values?

We needed more publicity and maybe the easiest way would have been to have highlighted the web address in the poll card in red ink so that you knew there was an option if you had that option.

Making changes is all well and good but you have to let the people know what changes you are making.

What an absolute disaster!
04:45 PM on 11/16/2012
Another death on the long list accorded to the Roman Catholic church.

What right has that evil corporation to decide who lives or dies.

How many others have suffered a similar fate due to the intransigence of an organisation that is ruled by control freaks, how many more, including the abused children of both sexes, unnamed, anonymous, thanks to the complicit cover ups between church and state, not only in Ireland but wherever that pernicious outfit has a stranglehold on the society it operates in and controls?
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03:29 PM on 11/16/2012
Moving to online voting for measures and processes other than strikes would be most useful to see how it goes and what we can learn from it. Online has to be the way to go.
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02:41 PM on 11/16/2012
Agree totally.

They can't have it both ways.

I heard one PPS on the radio this morning guaranteeing that PCC's will cut crime.

Really?
01:53 PM on 11/16/2012
It's one thing when a parliament elected by the populace gives a free vote on an issue. Its another when a small minority in a body that just happens to have a disproportionate ability to disrupt other people's lives & livelihoods to further their own financial & political agendas votes on their 'right' to withhold labour. I had the right to vote for a Police Commisioner & chose not too as I think the idea is flawed. I wish could be a public vote on each union strike action. If we felt it was justified then you know the country is behind you, if we think you are just disrupting our lives for your own selfish gains, well I'm sure you would get a much higher turn out than 15%, & the unions would know where they stand.
02:54 PM on 11/16/2012
I don't understand what the police commsion elections have to do with unions striking
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fandabidozi
03:18 PM on 11/16/2012
It's about voter turnout.
05:34 PM on 11/16/2012
Nothing, the author of this piece is trying to score political points on the back of these events. And here's a political point.... Although we all believe in fairness when it comes to employment we live in very tough times and anybody with any sense would not want us to go backwards to a time when the unions had far too much power. I'm not talking about the voting system here the author mentions (obviously) but there was a time when the unions had more power than the elected government and where able to hold us all to ransom. Let's hope those days don't get anywhere near returning.