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Do Rioters Deserve Harsher Treatment Than any Other Offenders?

Posted: 28/09/11 01:00 BST

English law is incredibly flexible. For most crimes like theft or criminal damage there are a large range of penalties judges can use from imprisonment, to a fine, to community payback (getting offenders to clear parks or paint nurseries or the like). Judges and magistrates are supposed to follow sentencing guidelines, but also allowed to deviate from these depending on individual circumstances. Where someone convicted feels their sentence was unduly punitive, they can appeal it.

Anyone who is accused of a crime is deemed innocent unless they admit guilt or are found guilty. The presumption is that they should retain their freedom while they wait for their trial, and if guilty, their sentence. A minority of those accused of crimes are imprisoned on remand. This minority are suspected of absconding, reoffending or "interfering with witnesses" while they wait. Men, women and children can spend months on remand yet, if acquitted, are very unlikely to get any financial compensation. Imprisonment on remand destroys lives and livelihoods just as prison sentences do.

There are hundreds of people, mostly young, many children, who are or have been imprisoned on remand or sentence as a result of the riots. Some have never been convicted of a crime before.

Judges and magistrates appear to have reacted more harshly to the perpetrators of riot offences than to others. And today at the Court of Appeal they were deciding whether the riot sentences were harsher sentences and, if so, if such harsher sentences were justified. I'm glad the sentences were appealed but concerned that the Court may say the riots were special circumstances.

The riots did cause terrible damage to businesses and individuals. All perpetrators needed to be dealt with by the police, but to treat them more harshly is wrong, particularly when harsh means imprisonment. The police did get control of the riots. They are over. The question is how to stop another riot. Prevention is possible if offenders realise the damage they did and are rehabilitated. But imprisonment is unlikely to change attitudes. The prisons are overflowing and, in these circumstances, prisons can only warehouse offenders on short sentences or on remand. Community sentences and/or restorative justice offer a much better chance of rehabilitation. And an opportunity to heal community wounds. Using restorative justice, offenders learn what harm they have done, apologise to victims, and make amends. Unfortunately, in too many cases, rioters were imprisoned on remand or imprisoned on sentence or both. Maybe the riots will be a wake-up call, to show that prison is seldom the answer and that most solutions lie with the community.

 

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English law is incredibly flexible. For most crimes like theft or criminal damage there are a large range of penalties judges can use from imprisonment, to a fine, to community payback (getting offend...
English law is incredibly flexible. For most crimes like theft or criminal damage there are a large range of penalties judges can use from imprisonment, to a fine, to community payback (getting offend...
 
 
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10:13 AM on 09/29/2011
English Riots

Rioting on English Streets
Delinquent Chavs and Scum
Who have no sense of decency
And rob and steal for fun

They stole the articles they wanted
They cared not about the cost
Or about their fellow man
And what he had lost.

Where did they learn such selfishness
Such callousness and greed
Who showed them the indifference
That seemed to be their creed.

It cannot be our leaders
Who claim money is worth
Who exploit the vulnerable
From their day of birth.

That all theft is evil
Cannot be denied
Whether perpetrators wear hoodies
Or their old school ties

Perhaps we should punish all the theft
Of property and hope and pride
And maybe all such soulless treatment
Should earn a stretch inside

But that will not happen
We do not punish all that is wrong
For the power of wealth remains
And the influence of money is strong

We do not punish all criminals
Just the ones on the street
While those in mansion houses
Never feel the heat.

We have no responsibility
Our Government will claim
We only planted the seeds of discord
We cannot be to blame

We will punish all the looters
Their wrongs change ours to right
And punish the poor who deserve it
As we impose our might

How dare they share the values
Of those who have grown fat
Upon the debt and sweat of others
The selfish, obese rats.

David Chalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kiCzdqW3Rk
12:39 AM on 09/28/2011
'' Prevention is possible if offenders realise the damage they did and are rehabilitated. ''
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You appear to be assuming that same people will riot, if there are riots again. Which is not the case.

Exemplary punishment does not aim for either reform or retribution. It is entirely aimed at preventing that crime being committed by ANYONE. Others, who may be inclined to riot, will go, ''Whew, ain't gonna do that.''

If you wish to argue a case on this point, you cannot ignore this central tenet of exemplary justice.

Exemplary justice does not seek to be merciful, or lenient or fair. it seeks to be harsh, shocking and scary. Which means that with reference to individuals on the receiving end it may be unfair. It is rough justice.

Your statement I quoted above is inapplicable and inappropriate, approaching the nonsensical..

For readers of this comment, please note: I am no fan of retributive or exemplary justice.