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What Miliband Needs to Learn From Thatcher

Posted: 02/10/2012 00:00

Ed Miliband is fortunate that Britain is not America. As things stand, he would be heading for victory in a general election held this autumn. However were he fighting a US-style presidential election, then he would be staring at defeat.

For six months, Labour's lead has been fairly steady at around 10 points. All variations from this (including YouGov's latest poll for the Sunday Times, which reports a 5 point lead) can be explained by random sampling fluctuations.

However, over the same period, David Cameron has led Miliband by 9-10 points when people are asked who would make the best Prime Minister. A presidential contest would be likely to re-elect the incumbent.

YouGov surveys in the past few days for the Sun and Sunday Times show that the debit side of Miliband's ledger is longer than the credit side.

The good news for Labour's leader:
• He leads Cameron by two-to-one when people are asked is more in touch with ordinary people
• He also leads Cameron, albeit only narrowly, on being seen as honest and trustworthy
• His rating has improved since the beginning of this year. In mid-January, just 18% thought he was doing well as party leader, while 71% said he was doing badly. That represented a net score of minus 53. His rating is well up on those bleak days

One the other hand....

• He is still in negative territory, with twice as many people still thinking he is doing badly (57%) as well (28%)
• By large margins, Cameron is seen as stronger and more decisive
• 63% think Miliband has failed to 'provide an effective opposition to the government'. As many as 41% of Labour voters share this bleak view
• Only 25% think Miliband is 'up to the job of Prime Minister'. Even fewer, 19% (and only a minority of Labour supporters) reckon he 'looks like a Prime Minister in waiting'
• Just 23% say he 'has made it clear what he stands for'

There's no escaping it. Miliband has much to do, starting with this week's Labour conference, to seal the deal with the electorate. Labour's lead over the Tories is rooted in disappointment with the Conservatives and disillusion with the Liberal Democrats, not a positive view of Labour, or enthusiasm for its leader.

Does this matter? Can Labour really win in 2015 when its leader is so far behind his Conservative opponent?

As a rule, the popularity of a party and its leader march roughly in parallel. But not always. In 1979, Margaret Thatcher led the Tories to victory. Their margin of victory in the popular vote was 7%. But Gallup found that when people were asked who would make the best Prime Minister, Labour's James Callaghan outscored Thatcher by 43-30%.

We must be clear what this does and does not show. Plainly it is possible for a less popular opposition leader to turf out a more popular Prime Minister. However, it would be wrong to say that there is no connection between the two figures.

In the middle of the 1979 campaign, MORI found that the Tories led Labour by 5% (its figures were close to the final result) - but when the same people were asked how they would vote were Edward Heath still Conservative leader, the lead jumped to a whopping 18%. So at that time Thatcher was a drag on Tory support. Fortunately for her and her party, the outgoing Labour government was so unpopular that the Tories still won. With Thatcher their majority was 43; with Heath it might well have approached 200. Her personal popularity did not materialise for another three years, after the Falklands War in 1982.

YouGov's evidence is that Miliband is far less a drag on his party today than Thatcher was on hers in 1979. In our standard voting intention question we don't mention party leaders. When we add their names, Labour's lead generally slips by 2-4 percentage points.

Nevertheless, Miliband should still be worried. It is normal for government parties to recover from their mid-term rating. If that happens between now and 2015, then even a slight drag on Labour support could make the difference between victory and defeat. And it does not require the Tories to spend vast amounts on polls and political strategists to work out that they should spend much of the next election campaign encouraging personal attacks on Miliband. (I say 'encouraging' because if Cameron does this himself, he might come across as churlish and negative. Far better for the attack dogs to belong to the pro-Tory segment of the media than Tory ministers.)

To neutralise such attacks, Miliband must get his personal ratings up well before the next election. The potential good news for him is that if Labour is 10% ahead when its leader is still so unpopular, it could enjoy a much bigger lead were voters to decide that he is strong, decisive and up to the job after all.

See the full survey details and results here

 

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Ed Miliband is fortunate that Britain is not America. As things stand, he would be heading for victory in a general election held this autumn. However were he fighting a US-style presidential election...
Ed Miliband is fortunate that Britain is not America. As things stand, he would be heading for victory in a general election held this autumn. However were he fighting a US-style presidential election...
 
 
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10:29 PM on 10/07/2012
The 3 main political parties have a lot in common. The most significant common factor between them is that they are ALL 3 loathed and detested by the majority of the electorate. Unfortunately, the useless electoral system prevents the people from making this very clear.
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11:31 AM on 10/03/2012
He spouted on a lot about getting us out of the mess his party got us into in the first place but not a single example of how he is gonna do it - taking secret magician lessons???
04:03 AM on 10/03/2012
1979 was very much a case of a government losing an election rather than an opposition winning it.
There was no real appetite for the changes that followed. And very much a case of minorities in minorities wielding power.
12:17 AM on 10/03/2012
No more privatisation that his what he must learn not tips from Thatcher
07:38 PM on 10/02/2012
I wonder if the Conservatives really expect to be on top of the polls when they have to spend too much of their time making cuts to counter the criminal overspend of the last shower...
07:36 AM on 10/03/2012
The tories are just being tories and implementing tory dogma!!
08:34 AM on 10/03/2012
Yeah, yeah,yeah...
06:10 PM on 10/02/2012
TORY COMMENTATORS worried thats why the above is being said, their beloved Toff party is`nt running away in the polls and they worried, very worried that their tax break gravy train is going to end sooner than they would like, hence all the mud slinging!
07:42 PM on 10/02/2012
Believe me, the 'Tory Toffs' aren't in the least bit worried. With an opposition that can't even keep the reins on it's paymasters there is nothing to be concerned about.
07:37 AM on 10/03/2012
Denial is a wonderful thing!
06:01 PM on 10/02/2012
As opposed to voting in a Tory Government for the rich, tax breaks, elitist policies, return of riping poor animals to shreds! etc etc child poverty is up to 19%in my town in the last two years, a full Tory toff Government would be disastrous for the vast majority!
05:39 PM on 10/02/2012
The only poll that counts is the exit poll. Most parties have disappointing polls mid term, let us wait and see if anyone really would want to vote him and his party back in.
12:19 AM on 10/03/2012
Who knows but we want rid of the present shower
04:34 PM on 10/02/2012
I listened to the whole of EdMilibands speech this afternoon,(I have to admit it is something i have never done with party conference speeches before), and I found myself clapping as I sat all alone in my sitting room with just the tv. He was coherent, factual, to the point, and in places quite amusing. He did all this without benefit of notes, but also without the "aren't I a clever politician" actions. The complaints that he gave no strict policy ideas, shows that he is cleverer than the average politician because (a) how things can change in 2 years and you are stuck with a policy (b) why give away you ideas and policies when the government of the day still has time to pinch them and enact them before the next general election. Plenty of time for that later. However, I must admit that I have never been this close to voting labour before. So for that conservative MP who said last week that "there is no need to worry about him, he looks funny and is far to the left". May I say that he looks no funnier than Gove or Osborne, both of whom of leadership aspirations, and that was far from a left wing political statement I heard this afternoon. As for learning from Margaret Thatcher who tended to rave and shout down other people, I think he does quite well the way he is. Better than many would have believed, better than many wanted.
07:53 PM on 10/02/2012
Yes, but it's what he does, not what he says that matters. And significantly for me, he made no mention of the unions. I have a theory that the unions helped him into the leadership because they saw him as more of a pushover than his brother; someone they would be able to manipulate - he is the softer option. If he wins the next election (doubtful) it will be interesting to see how much pull the unions will have.

If you asked me for two reasons not to vote labour, my reply would be McCluskey and Kenny.
09:22 PM on 10/02/2012
But he did mention the unions, both yesterday and today. He said that the Union's would need to accept, like everyone else, that there was no money for pay rises, and that there would be no special cases. He also made reference to his nickname of "Red Ed" and said that it most certainly was not true, his father would have wished it so, but he didn't. I do not think he is the pushover that people think he is, and by the look on Ed Balls face during his speech this afternoon, he seemed to be coming to the same conclusion. Having said all that, there are still two days of this conference to go and plenty of time to mention other specifics. I am no labour voter, and never have been, but he did impress me this afternoon. He was not the bumbling geek that everyone tries to make him out to be. As for being doubtful whether they could win the next election, it is looking very doubtful if this condemnation will last for the next 2.5 years. If you asked me for reasons not to vote conservative, I would say the entire cabinet.
07:38 AM on 10/03/2012
you must start to listen what is actually said rather than hearing or not hearing what you want to!
04:02 PM on 10/02/2012
Milliband, is it he that plans to squander taxpayers money on building 1000 or more new homes ? Thus creating more of this country's future slums, very few of the tenants never have and never will be paying any rent, and a high percentage of them should be living in their own countries.
04:35 PM on 10/02/2012
Hold on a minute, isn't that the policy at the moment being employed by the present government.
07:39 AM on 10/03/2012
So you think building homes, which creates jobs, is a bad thing?
03:16 PM on 10/02/2012
Its not just Miliband that could learn a lot from her - pretty much all over the cabinet in power right now make for a poor comparison with her.
02:21 PM on 10/02/2012
Is the title of this piece a joke??? What Milliband needs to learn from Thatcher! Is this reporter a true tory I ask! As far as I am concerned she was the worst thing to happen to Britain and only the rich who were made richer would say that she was good!
07:34 PM on 10/02/2012
Count me in. It's great being rich.
07:41 AM on 10/03/2012
She divided the country, like Marmite you loved or hated her, unfortunately in the end far more hated than loved!
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11:29 AM on 10/03/2012
So the upper classes and lower classes were an invention of Thatcher??? What she tried to do was close the gap in the centuries long existant divide!!
11:34 AM on 10/02/2012
The Labour party wanted David Milliband rather than Edward. Odd that David was the one who most looked and sounded like a conservative. Edward is much less like a tory but feels hell bent on trying to distance himself from the unions (who got him through). As a party that is seen as only slightly different from the tories in terms of policy, it is unlikely they will have any chance of getting a majority vote. Perhaps they should join more with ther unions and become more left wing, talk of nationalizing everything. At least that way the electorate would have an alternative vote. They have nothing to lose by becoming more left wing. They can only lose what they will lose anyway if they stay as they are. In my view Ed Balls, Cooper and Edward himself are damaged goods. They are all seen as Browns co-policy makers. Labour needs a new leader,new cabinat and a fourth way.
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01:57 PM on 10/02/2012
Its still the blarites that are pulling the strings in the labour party, as much as Ed is trying to distance himself from them and take labour in a new direction...In a recent poll of labour party members nearly three quarters voted in favour of Blairism...and would welcome Blair back into front line politics..and we all know that Blair admires Thatherism...so we are back the square one..No huge choice between the two parties "Sigh".............
04:36 PM on 10/02/2012
Judging by the three standing ovations he got for his speech, I don't think there are many blairites pulling his strings. I think he set out to prove, and succeeded admirably, in showing he is his own man.
11:25 AM on 10/02/2012
come on, lets not look at who's in the lead in the polls, it's always the opposition in lead mid term!
04:37 PM on 10/02/2012
I quite agree, and with polls, the outcome depends on the question asked. It is always the result shown, never the phrasing of the question.
07:42 AM on 10/03/2012
but by how much? and a growing gap as people see the effects the gvt policies are having!