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Sectarian Marches or Musicians Under Siege?

Posted: 04/09/2012 00:00

Jason Burke is the captain of his music band which practices on the Newtownards Road in east Belfast. He's been involved with the band for almost seven years, and is something he is both passionate and proud about. This isn't the type of music band, however, that plays the odd rock song in his parent's garage. He is in charge of a flute band, which regularly partakes in Orange Order marches in Northern Ireland.

The Orange Order's parades are a constant topic of controversy in Northern Ireland, and are widely perceived as exclusive to the Protestant and Unionist community. The most popular day for these marches is the twelfth of July, a public holiday in Northern Ireland when the Orange Order commemorates the victory of the Protestant Prince William of Orange over England's Catholic King James at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. The marches are usually a bone of contention to the nationalist community, who see the marches as triumphalist and orchestrated to intimidate. This July, the tradition of the Orange parades came under fire once more as a YouTube video showed members of the Orange Order intimidating and attacking the man recording the footage, while they had stopped outside a Catholic church during a march.

Since then, the marching band in question has been banned against future participation by the Parades Commission of Northern Ireland. Regardless of the Commission's reaction, the video sparked debate throughout Northern Ireland between both communities, and it was during a recent discussion on BBC Radio Ulster that Burke sent a tweet to the station. In it, he disputed the "perceived sectarianism" when fights broke out last Saturday outside St. Patrick's Catholic church in Belfast, but instead described it as a defiance by a small group of people, most of which are not involved with marching bands at all.

The media's portrayal of the Loyalist (i.e. Unionist) marches has a strong role to play in how they are perceived by the public, according to Burke. "Bands have historically been perceived as being a breeding ground for loyalist paramilitaries," he acknowledges, "but from being involved with such bands, I can see that that's definitely not true. It's only when you get involved with a band and become active in their day-to-day runnings will you appreciate that fact." The flute music band on the Newtownards Road is hired by their local Orange Order lodge only three times a year during the marching season. Jason explained that they "do as they please" during the rest of the season and perform up to sixty times a year, showing that the band is not only independent from the Orange Order and their members, but that the bands service is bought by the Order - much like how a music group is hired for a festival. It's because of the bands' level of independence from the Orange Order is he finds it "hard to stomach" when the musicians become involved in the debate.

Jason's belief that these bands aren't sectarian is supported by the recent donation of £5,000 by Sinn Féin MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly; a representative in Northern Ireland's devolved government), Pat Doherty to a local Loyalist band in order to buy new instruments. Despite that, however, it would be still be difficult for a member of the predominantly Catholic nationalist community to attempt to join a marching band. "A couple of years ago, I tried to conduct a sort of questionnaire to see... could we ever have a Catholic in our band.

Interestingly, some people said that if they were musically gifted enough, they would take them in, because for them it's not about religion. I would say none of our band attend church, so to say that [the band] is about religion is untrue."

Not everyone views the situation like this, however. Ed Simpson, of the Green Party claimed that the Orange Order and marching bands associated with them are "full of hate" for the nationalist community. He also believed that any claims by the bands movement regarding integration of the two communities is a "façade," pretending not to be sectarian. "Their entire culture is founded on exclusion. If someone wishes to be religious, let them be religious - but this is an attempt to force their culture down the necks of nationalists."

But Jason did not see it that way, and has consciously made an effort to include traditional Irish Gaelic music - music generally monopolised by the nationalist community - to be used in his band's performances. He noted that some bands aren't always aware that a lot of the music they perform on these marches are Irish by nature, but the mixture of identities doesn't seem to be a problem for the Belfast native. "I've no problem calling myself Irish, and a lot of my band's members have no problem calling themselves Irish - [they are] Irish citizens of the United Kingdom."

 

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Jason Burke is the captain of his music band which practices on the Newtownards Road in east Belfast. He's been involved with the band for almost seven years, and is something he is both passionate an...
Jason Burke is the captain of his music band which practices on the Newtownards Road in east Belfast. He's been involved with the band for almost seven years, and is something he is both passionate an...
 
 
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05:47 AM on 09/05/2012
Wonderful musical tradition? What clap-trap.

The marching bands in Northern Ireland are simply vehicles for demonstrating thoroughtly unwarranted triumphalism by one side of the community over another. A relic of a sad past and those involved in these immature and anachronistic gatherings should grow up....
11:51 PM on 09/04/2012
The OB's know that what they do is pure intimidation. I would not have a problem with them if they went to one of the many tiny islands that surround the north of Ireland where they could march and sing their hatred to their hearts content 365 days of the year and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives.
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queenoferne
04:25 PM on 09/04/2012
During the 1960s Belfast lodges occasionally hired Catholic marching bands when there weren't enough Orange bands to go round. As late as 1969 I watched Catholic bands do the walk to Finaghy, hired by Orange lodges for the day. Sinn Fein's deliberate targeting of Orange Parades since the 1980s was a cynical exercise in stirring up sectarian confrontation and the problem is still with us. I grew up in the 1950s in a street that regularly hosted Twelfth parades and pre-Twelfth Lambeg drumming. We children, Catholic and Protestant alike, considered ourselves privileged to have the Lambegs and bands marching on our street and I never heard an adult suggest otherwise. It is time for Sinn Fein to face down their own bigots and put an end to this harassment of a wonderful musical tradition.
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Seaniebhoy
06:36 PM on 09/04/2012
Couple of things....firstly Drumcree...I don't think anything needs to be said except the cold blooded murder of the Quinn children did not do much to foster any good will, the naming of Orange Halls after UVF men like Robert Bates, the posting of UVF/UDA/LVF Flags....none of this is conducive or helpfull to a shared society...I have no problem with Orange men walking with pride....if you can leave the blue bag brigade behind, and not play openly sectarian songs while marching past our Churches
03:36 PM on 09/04/2012
A Roman Catholic with any self respect would never join any band like that. If they did they would be ostracized by their own community. If the bands had a real interest in music only and many members are great musicians then they would turn down the three paid gigs per year with the Orange Order. This stirring of Nationalist ire has been going on for years and while there are many decent people in the Orange Order there are also many who delight in causing the trouble and while the order allows those people to remain without sanction nothing will change.
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queenoferne
04:28 PM on 09/04/2012
Absolutely untrue. Among true musicians there is no sectarianism. There are bigots in both Catholic and Orange communities who want to use music to insult and offend but decent people are under no obligation to take offence. I know of Catholics who go to Orange parades looking to be offended, searching for something to complain about. If that's all a marching band means to them they should stay at home.
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Seaniebhoy
06:38 PM on 09/04/2012
Yeah those young conway volunteers who walked past St. Pat's playing the famine song is an example of true co-existence.
03:09 PM on 09/04/2012
I remember when I was a kid,one of the times my family went to America there were annoying marching bands and college bands all over the place ,the college bands were worse becuase they always play the Hawai-5-0 theme tune ,and all the saxophonists pretend they are paddles ,HAR BLOODY HAR !
02:35 PM on 09/04/2012
Surely any fair minded person can see that it is disgraceful provocation to allow a Protestant band to sing and dance in in front of a Catholic Church in Belfast for 15 minutes is wrong. If a Catholic band had done likewise in front of a Protestant Church they would have been arrested within minutes. One rule for one etc...
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Kevin Mcilroy
02:12 PM on 09/04/2012
Surely when a group of people (be they a band or a gang) partake in an illegal march they are as guilty as the people that hired them to play? Or are the bands too imtimidated to refuse the booking?
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Scott De Buitleir
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03:03 PM on 09/04/2012
Fantastic point Kevin, thank you. The person I interviewed, Jason Burke, acknowledged the dangers of the marches but saw his band's involvement in them as "purely financial" as they were few and far between in comparison to other performances on their calendar. Refusing a booking never seemed to be an option.
01:16 AM on 09/04/2012
Hundreds of marches that take place every year in Northern Ireland without problems. The handful of contraversial routes stem from traditional quick routes attracting new opposition where before there wasn't.

A large minority of catholics historically partook in "11th Night Bonfires" and watched 12th July parades. Having had a catholic education in Belfast myself, I can say so with complete honesty and sincerity. Most - no, but more than the stereotype.

Small number of people in the organisation show sectarian disrespect, but that cannot be used to dismiss all participants as zombies stirring the pot. Their intention is to celebrate their identity/culture.

Comparisons with the KKK are clumbsy, at best.

Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland is an organisation based in Ireland, which operates on an all-Ireland basis, drawing its membership from the COI and PCI, and amoungst its member are found followers of the IFA and supporters of the IRFU, the Ireland Cricket/Hocky Team etc, - how the purpose of this organisation can be miscontrued as "intimidating the Irish" is beggar's belief.

Irish unionists and protestants are as Irish as are the island's nationalists and catholics. Any assertion otherwise is domaneering and antagonistic.

One of the worst traits of humanity is intergenerational blame. Allowing people with whom you dissagree theologically/politically/socially/philosophically to walk down a street with music and banners for 10 minutes, twice (from their home Lodge to the Field and back), one day of the year celebrating their culture should in no way threaten others.
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Tuigim
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03:01 AM on 09/04/2012
That's an interesting new take on the Orange Order.
The first searches online about the order lead to Wikipedia and http://www.irishnationalcaucus.org/pages/Articles2004/TheOrangeOrder.htm
I wonder why Wikipedia mentions that "Critics have accused the Order of being sectarian, triumphalist and supremacist."
Maybe there is some truth in that.
I wonder why Catholics hate to hear the drums beating down their streets and why organizers try to arrange to enter Catholic areas.

The opening line of the second source starts with "Historically, the Orange Order has served as the perfect expression of British policy in Ireland: suppression of Catholics through sectarian privilege and Protestant supremacy."

I watched in on TV as a child and say the strutting and arrogance and watched the looks of the children like me on TV who viewed them with a mixture of distain and fear and I understood as well as I understood when I first saw Milosovich on TV or when I heard George W Bush declare "If you're not with us, you're against us" that these were cold blooded people who cared not a whit about whom they scared and indeed they reveled in it.

You have been taught a history that glosses over atrocities of the past and you believe you are right. I know you are not and I suggest you try to see the side of those who suffer from the intimidation because it is nothing less than that.
09:42 PM on 09/05/2012
Whilst the above link's author's non-bias is commendable, he should consider how many working-class protestants he knows personally before damning their culture. You generalise again using "catholic" to mean "republican supporter" - I reiterate people from all sides of the community watched the parades. Critics shall be critical by nature.

You've been exceptionally modest in displaying any facts on ground level; the Crumlin Road is one of the main thoroughfairs of the city, and nobody lives in the contraversial area, it shouldn't be claimed thus by one side of the community, but the Loyal Orders walk in silence. Donegall Street is in the city centre - neutral space.

"Privaledge and supremacy" - where's the substantiated evidence for that? In Belfast The Order is not associated with either in Belfast; middle-class protestants view the order as quaint, if even.

Established by farmers in Armagh, you describe as "of British policy" - that's some leap!

In a tolerant society anyone should be able to march anywhere. You have no right not to be offended. You have even less of a right to walk half a mile on the main road *in order to get offended*, and then by virtue of this offence castrate others' freedoms of expression/speach/assembly.

Dear sir, I assure you my Belfast catholic education went into every nook and cranny of atrocities against and by ALL sides in Irish history.
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Seaniebhoy
01:59 PM on 09/04/2012
The parade that went past St.Patrick's on Donegal Street - and playing the Famine Song - was an illegal parade, banned by the legal parades commission. Their actions were - as described by protestant clergyman all over Ireland. There is no excuse and no defense for that; but of course, rather than criticize any of the Orange or Black lodges, Unionists have simply deflected blame on both the Commission and the Nationalist community.
09:51 PM on 09/05/2012
They played the Famine song (wrongly but legally) on the 12th July. Thereafter there was a ban on *playing music*, but not on the parade itself. The Commission is legal, but has lost its popular support amongst many people accross N Ireland (not just in working-class loyalist communities) who find that its rulings stoke rather than tame the fire. Politicians on both sides continue to look through tainted specticles; they've all condemned the violence, but DUP/UUP haven't condemned the provocative music played by the band in question who went out of their way to offend, and the SDLP/Sinn Féin haven't condemned their supporters from going out of their way to get offended.
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Scott De Buitleir
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07:47 PM on 09/03/2012
Just to clarify: I'm aware that Ed Simpson is NOT an MLA; that title and explanation was meant for Pat Doherty of Sinn Féin. I've notified the Blog Team and an edit should be made very soon!
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Tuigim
The perils of benefactors...
05:26 PM on 09/03/2012
Jason is deluded if he thinks he is doing no harm.

The KKK used white clothing and the Orange 'Order' uses orange sashes. Both organizations aim to go to where they can intimidate and antagonize people. The lack of respect and utter arrogance galls me every year. It is a sick and ugly display and no matter how in tune the notes may be it is always discordant because of its cruel effects.
Say someone entered the KKK because they were interested in studying subcultures and participated in it as an academic study. That would be true for that person but just as true and far more terrifying would be the reactions of people who hear the KKK approaching and understand its history and its purpose. To ignore the effects is negligent and morally criminal.

Let's be very clear here: the purpose of the march (no matter how talented the musicians are) is to intimidate the Irish. It is like pushing a puppy's nose in pee to punish it. It's humiliation. Except we didn't pee where we weren't supposed to. Someone came and stole our land and robbed and pillages and demeaned us and they are still doing it and reminding us of how we were 'defeated' in their arrogance and ignorance. But you cannot defeat our spirit and we know the difference between right and wrong and who stole from us. Play music for good but not for bad.
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