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What is Atheism+ and do we need it?

Posted: 03/10/2012 22:52

Much has been said in recent weeks following the unveiling of Atheism+, a form of social idealism enshrined in the philosophical precept of Atheism with its claws firmly wrapped around political philosophy. It is this uneasy marriage of the philosophy of Atheism with the apparent political philosophy of Atheism that has so far been met with appreciation but also bemusement and perplexity by both fellow Atheists and those engaged in mainstream politics.

Firstly I completely condone the fundamental principles behind Atheism+ but this is not a surprise as most people believe that equality is a good thing. The problem is that not everyone has the same notion of equality in mind. However the question of whether we require the philosophical perspective of Atheism to be converted into a political philosophy is only pipped by the question of what this would entail?

On the surface one may be tempted to think that Atheism+, or Political Atheism as I would like to call it, is about advancing the philosophical argument in the mainstream political domain that there is no God. Although political parties with a monolithic message rarely become successful (Even the NRA in the U.S. has the good sense to stick with lobbying and not form a political party) this seems reasonable enough and people have the liberty and will to pursue such philosophical views in the political, social and economic domain.

Indeed the very essence of political debate is about people presenting ideological remedies whilst others present counter arguments and offer alternatives. For example some would like to see Government expenditure reduced in the economy, others would like the age of sexual consent increased or decreased and so on; and then after the PR soaking and the somewhat perverted marketing forms of message manipulation we let the masses decide.

Yet as a European Atheist I argue that the political message of "There is no God" has no salient or determining argument in the political realm. "There is no God" so what? What impact does this have on rational and pragmatic political debate? Murder, rape and theft is still illegal, I can use contraception, women can have abortions, I don't have to swear on the bible or go to confession but more importantly if you want to then that is also fine. It would be tempting and easy to identify that this is what Atheism+ is and then highlight its pointless aim in the political world.

What is more problematic is that the above does not appear to be the central message of Atheism+. Atheism+ seeks to challenge and assert social equality, in terms of race and sex. However these are already in the political domain and require no attention from additional political movements, in this case Atheism+.

Equality and Liberty is the goal of all parties whether Conservative, Liberal or Socialist. The profound difference is that not all parties mean the same conceptual element when they talk about "equality" and "equality of opportunity". Thus I welcome any movement including Atheism + that advocates these principles.

However I'm afraid that without a clear and concise definitive use of the terms proposed Atheism+ runs the severe risk of clouding the issues instead of clarifying them - and perhaps in this sense it truly is a political movement! Nonetheless with good intentions, Atheism+ has pushed itself into a strange corner. Why would feminism, racial, social and sexual equality be synonymous with Atheism? And if this is the case what do proponents of Atheism+ think Feminists and left wing political movements have been advocating all this time?

The current Democratic Party in the U.S engrosses an inclusive and progressive political programme that includes the poor and minorities yet the party is still full of Theists. The former British Prime Minister Tony Blair is also an openly religious man. Under Blair, the British Labour Party made significant changes to welfare distribution and social inclusiveness.

Therefore on the other end of the scale it is easily arguable that equality, in terms of class, race and gender is still very much achievable under a Theistic framework. It is often overlooked that Modern political rights enjoyed by contemporary Democratic citizens come from religious Philosophers such as John Locke who established the equal natural rights of every human under God. Today we propose that all humans possess basic rights we've just removed the specified condition regarding God. It is hopefully clear to all that we do not require an Atheist movement to obtain equality.

However Atheism+ then faces problems at the other end of the political scale; namely that Atheistic considerations should be on the Political agenda. Political Philosophy, in its most crude and basic form, is about the role of the State, the rights of the citizens and whether we require distributive financial and tax programs at a certain level. In modern Democratic societies one is free to pursue a life that is applicable to the law of the land. The most fundamental restrictions encapsulate murder, rape and theft. Ironically, it should not be missed by Atheists that they are free to endorse a belief system that explicitly rejects Theism in the first place. To propose that we need an Atheistic or Theistic political movement is to miss the point of Modern political debate. The advocating of Theism or Atheism should not be in the political agenda. In Europe it very rarely is.

This is no more apparent than when Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair's media spin doctor, once famously responded to a reporter when asked about Blair's religious views saying "Sorry, we don't do God". It seems that we Brits are even prudish when it comes to discussing God. In the UK and Europe the humanist and Skeptic movement does not launch it's polices into the political domain because it is not required. Europe appears to have a highly sought after form of Humanism that is independent of both Theism and Atheism.

The majority of European constitutions and the United States of America deliberately specify the separation between Church and State; that is that religious world views should not be taken into political account when forming legislation. It is why in European Catholic countries contraception and abortion is legal and we do not criminally punish adulterers. In fact this mindset is so apparently clear and casual in Europe that Ed Miliband, the current Labour Party Leader, openly claims to be an Atheist and that furthermore this should not affect public policy and opinions about him in a diverse society. I find it very hard to believe that the current squabble regarding Fiscal deficit in the United Kingdom could somehow be impeached by one's religious views. Pragmatism should outweigh Meta philosophical theory. Unfortunately this is not always the case.

In the United States the debate regarding the Government debt ceiling is rarely penetrated by religious talk so what is that made certain American Atheists propose the need for Atheism+. Why is it that we find a desperate necessity to endorse a politically branded type of Atheism in the mainstream political arena within the context of American Politics? There are two reasons. Primarily, branches of the Republican Party do advocate religious views in the political arena, often giving precedence to Christian Orthodoxy over scientific argument. We see this in terms of the religious grounding of political and social arguments that encompass stem cell research, same sex relationships, abortion and even distributive welfare programmes.

Moreover because of the conjoining of Religion with politics, certain aspects of American Political Philosophy then attempts to unite Religious values with political ideals such as Justice, equality, happiness and morality. Unfortunately it is because of the latter that I believe Atheism+ has sprung to life because in America some still believe that an individual or a conglomerate society cannot be moral without God. For these two reasons it is not surprising that Atheism+ has arisen in America and nowhere else thus far. One of its purposes is to combat the charge of Religious doctrines littering American political discourse and take the Philosophy of Atheism itself into a social and political format that incorporates morality and equality, illustrating that to achieve the latter one does not need to be a Theist. Consequently a driving factor behind the appearance of this Atheistic political programme is the presence and visibility of Theism in the public political debate.

From this perspective alone Atheism+ is both understandable and justified within the context of American politics. However turning the philosophical movement of Atheism into the political movement of Atheism+ has two problems in it which can land branches of the Atheist+ movement in an exquisite tub of Hot water. Firstly with good and justified intentions behind Atheism+, its proponents at this stage can unfortunately be perceived as obnoxious and arrogant because they run the risk of sending out the political message that somehow without Atheism+ sexism, racism and inequality are doomed to continue.

This is massively insulting to both the political center and the left who perceive themselves as progressive and moderate; and are already dealing with the said issues in hand. Furthermore in this context Atheism+ is liable to become an obnoxious mirror equivalent of the Religious movement who state that morality is not possible without God. Unfortunately Atheism+ may be seen to argue that racial and gender equality is not possible unless it is proposed as an Atheistic and non religious format. The second problem that arises threatens divisions among fellow Atheists.

This is because it may be perceived as saying that under traditional Atheism there is no social equality or that political morality is not a current concern when Authors such as Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens have made explicit arguments regarding Atheism and social morality in the past. By producing an argumentative framework stating that Atheism needs to become socially, racially and sexually inclusive, and further endorse these features, implies that somehow at the moment it is not.

Along with this the Atheist+ movement faces complex social issues that can be contradictory inert to the Atheistic movement - thus potentially lacking wide social appeal; or issues that are broader than Atheism and thus potentially negating the need for the movement to have anything "Atheistic" about it). For example by seeking to overcome the white, male, middle class entrenchment of current Atheism is in itself a desired goal that makes Atheism, as either a political or philosophical movement, more inclusive and representative of society as a whole.

However the problem that is the prominence of white middle class men is hardly a problem unique to Atheism. Look around, white middle class men rule the world! So much so that often the only way some of the disenfranchised can explain this phenomena to themselves and their peers is by proposing conspiratorial secret societies when the real cause is a warped concoction of historical, economic, racial and sexual bias that is in the extremely early stages of being filtered out by society.

Social change tends to be incremental not radical and if the Atheist+ movement wants to tackle the problem of race, class and gender equality they run the double edged sword of focusing on an issue that goes beyond Atheism itself (a widespread global issue) thus neglecting the need for social and racial equality to have anything associated with Atheism; or conversely that they are only focused on equality in the Atheist movement. The latter runs the risk of being construed as a sectarian interest - that the Atheist+ movement are only interested in equality within their own movement and not across society. The problem of the hypocrite counterpoised with the self interested sectarian is not a comfortable philosophical or political position to be in. Therefore when considering the question of whether we require a politicised form of Atheism we must primarily note if and how Atheism+ is different from current Atheism and what it can offer society that no other political philosophy can. For these reasons I believe that at this stage it is more fruitful for Atheism to stay as a Philosophical movement rather than embark on a large scale political movement but it will be the unstable American political Landscape that will have the last say.

 

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22:00 on 04/11/2012
My take on the issue is that religion isn't as bad as (fellow) atheists make it out to be. It can be very bad, but it can be good too. Atheists should change their focus from being anti-religion to trying to improve the world. Not that they should deny being atheist, they can and should affirm their beliefs when possible or necessary.

In that case, there are issues where they can stand side-by-side with religious believers and others where they may have to oppose believers. I loved Susan Jacoby's book Freethinkers. Reading about the atheist contribution to the abolition movement was very interesting. It was an issue that wasn't atheism vs religion, but where people from both sides of the divide worked together to change something.
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cardiff1963
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18:18 on 18/10/2012
Keeping gods out of politics seems to be the way to a more understanding, tolerant society. If any gods decide to run for government, I may have to review my way of thinking. Unlikely though.
02:14 on 08/10/2012
Hi Tony - well argued and informative article. I agree with your thesis that issues under the liberal progressive agenda are well covered by other movements, and do not require an explicitly atheistic platform.

Perhaps the main contribution of atheists in the political sphere is to argue for rational, scientific and evidence based arguments for all public policy. This is actually a more general and more interesting issue than the specific statement that there is no evidence for God. It leads to an informative perspective on a wide range of issues for which scientific evidence is existent, but ignored in the public debate.

I'm thinking here of environmental issues generally. A scientific position would argue (to take a specific issue plagued by irrational debate) that decisions over policy towards same-sex couples having children be based on empirical research and coherent, rational theory. The present political landscape is dominated by dogma, and moral or religious frameworks whose tenets are not supported by evidence (or coherent theory for that matter).

As well as the conservative right, left-wing or liberal progressive positions may often be grounded in dogma and rhetoric (even when good evidence is available to support the position). Perhaps the contribution of Atheism+ could be in establishing an evidence-based foundation for public debate? In any case, I agree with you that the 'branding' should perhaps not be Atheist+ - I'd argue for a rather 'rational scientific' movement.
22:04 on 04/11/2012
I agree with you about the argument for rational, scientific and evidence based arguments, but I don't think you'll find religious believers disagree with that. The problem seems to be that some of them are not open to evidence that may contradict their deeply held moral convictions, and are therefore prone to confirmation bias when considering the evidence.

The argument against gay marriage, at least in Australia and at least in parliament, does not make any reference to the Bible. Instead, it usually focuses on social science research. "The research shows that a home with a mother and a father is the best environment in which to raise a child."

Now, there are all sorts of problems with that argument, but the argument itself is claiming to be reasonable and evidence-based. And that means we can point out where it goes wrong.
13:53 on 07/10/2012
There needs to be distinction between Atheism and Anti-Theism. All Atheists will say is that "I don't see any measurable or convincing evidence that there is a god. There is a possibility but the evidence suggests not." This distinguishes Atheism from Agnosticism because Agnosticism is a straight up "I don't know," whereas Atheism is "I don't know but I don't think so." However you will get people like me that believe that organised religion and the idea of a god are dangerous principles particularly if used in a position of power. There is an objective nature of reality and all religions claim that they are possessors of the answers; they are the be all and end all of the universe. Anti-Theists like me will call for a grounded in reality view of the world: what realistically is religion's evidence for there being a god and it being THEIR god. Deism is the only reasonable view of a god as it recognises that the qualities of a transcendent being are beyond our understanding and subsequently our categorisation (Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc.) but it is of itself a form of agnosticism because it still maintains an "I don't fully know" viewpoint. Anti-theism is the political atheism you refer to but Atheism is a harmless admission of a person's view of the world ergo harmless.
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Dan Jighter
13:05 on 06/10/2012
What the heck is Atheism+?

You start the article providing a very vague description of Atheism+ that frankly gives one no idea what Atheism+ actually is. You say there has been much said about Atheism+. The thing is, I myself am an atheist and frequently read atheist blogs and your article above is the first time I ever heard of Atheism+. I had to look it up to find that Atheism+ is basically amongst the latest drama happening at Free Thought blogs -- and there is a lot of drama there. Frankly, Free Thought blogs and their drama is mostly irrelevant to most atheists. I don't get why you think this mere drama and gossip is a worthy topic for an article or your social science expertise. And if you must discuss it anyways, you might want to communicate with your audience early in the article what precisely Atheism+ is, which you have completely failed to do.

Seriously, what the heck is Atheism+?
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Tony Sobrado
20:03 on 06/10/2012
Hi Dan,
I could have given more detail on Atheism + but I wanted to focus more on what switching atheism from a philosophical movement into a political movement would entail and what a political debate involving atheism might look like. It would be quite odd, not to mention extremely streamlined, to have an atheist political movement. For instance when someone asks you about your political views I very much doubt that you respond by saying "I’m an Atheist" and this is the political and social point I wanted to convey along with how feasible and necessary it would be to have an atheist political movement. As far as what atheism + is, it is approximately what I stated it was in the article i.e. the philosophy of atheism with additional social and political aspirations like gender and race equality. This may seem a bit strange for there are numerous political philosophies both in the East and the West that at least attempt to argue that they propose social, gender and racial equality but with different conclusions or different definitive starting points. However the main point about this in terms of political philosophy is that it is hard to comprehend how atheism is synonymous with the value of equality. I’m quite surprised that you have not heard of atheism +. Check the Guardian's The New Statesman coverage on it if ur British.

All the best, Tony

And of course God bless!!
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JakobHunter
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19:12 on 30/10/2012
I read the National secular society and I'm on its mailing list and I haven't heard of atheism+