A father-of-two accused of trying to buy deadly poison ricin on the Dark Net after being inspired by the Breaking Bad television series told jurors he was just "curious" and never thought anything would come of it.
Mohammed Ali, 31, allegedly struck a deal to buy 500mg of ricin worth 500 US dollars (£320) from a dealer in the United States who went by the names of Dark Mart and Psychochem.
What the computer-obsessed software programmer did not know was that the man he was communicating with on the internet black market was an undercover FBI agent.
After taking delivery of a toy car with "special batteries" at the home he shares with his two young sons and wife in Prescot Road, Liverpool, police were ready to swoop to arrest him.
Giving evidence at his Old Bailey trial, Ali told jurors his long-term interest in computers led to him investigate the Dark Net and ricin late last year.
Even as a boy, he would spend months playing the online game World of Warcraft well into the early hours, he said.
As an adult, Ali, who is one of five siblings, moved on to computer scams to fund his other hobbies including Lego and radio-controlled cars.
He told jurors he found a "loophole" in the PayPal system and stole more than £250,000. His newsagent father was forced to sell one of his shops to pay back the money and avoid his son's prosecution when PayPal found out.
Ali said he went on to a new scam and made about £17,000 by switching new hard drives he bought through Tesco, Argos and Amazon with defective ones. He would send the computers back and sell the new hard drives on eBay.
The university drop-out made money by investing £20,000 in online gambling and betting on favourites to make a further £10,000, he said.
He also became interested in the online currency Bitcoin, but rather than buying it, he would "mine" it by running a programme on his desk top on full power.
Ali told jurors he first became interested in the Dark Net around 2010, long before he watched the television series Breaking Bad, which gave him the idea for ricin.
In the programme, a chemistry teacher makes crystal meth, and ricin is used throughout the show in "multiple plot lines".
Asked by his lawyer Joel Bennathan QC why the programme engaged him, Ali said: "I just got interested in what this stuff was.
"After watching the episodes I would go on to the internet and find out what this stuff was. It was just my curiosity.
"It's used multiple times throughout the show. It was being used as a threat against people. He was dealing with drug dealers, very dangerous people."
Asked how his interest in Breaking Bad and the Dark Net combined, he said: "I was interested in the Dark Net and ricin. I just wanted to know what the fuss was about.
"I wanted to know can you actually get anything from these sites. So I go on one of these websites - Evolution.
"I found lots of different items ranging from drugs, guns, other illegal items, and because I had been watching Breaking Bad TV show I just had ricin in my mind."
Mr Bennathan said: "If you wanted to test it why not buy a machine gun?"
Ali replied: "Because everyone knows it's illegal. I did not know (ricin) was illegal - I didn't know it was a chemical weapon."
In January, under the username Weirdos 0000, Ali approached Dark Mart with a private message: "Hi, would you be able to make me some ricin and send it to the UK?"
Dark Mart replied: "Yeah, no problem. I specialise in ricin. I have liquid or powder available right now 200 US dollars. UK should not be a problem."
Mr Bennathan asked: "Did you expect to get that message?"
Ali replied: "I did not expect any response to be honest. I didn't think anything would come of it."
Quizzed on his message to Dart Mart asking 'How does one test it's ricin, apart from the obvious?', Ali said: "That's just me thinking about Breaking Bad at the time."
Ali, who was born in Bolton and has lived all his life in the North West of England, denies attempting to possess a chemical weapon between January 10 and February 12.