Caitlin Moran Talks Twitter Spats, Clown Porn And Ageing Feminists
The whole point of what you have done is essentially de-intellectualising femininism, making sure it's not all about theory, but about what actually happens to people. I can imagine a programme like Newsnight Review, for example, re-intellectualising it, trying to choose a framework to put it in, and then that defeating the point.
I want people to feel that they could have an argument about feminism. You don't have to study it to have an opinion about it. I've never understood anything anyone's ever said on Newsnight Review. I guess it's what happens when you go to university, you just learn to play that game of wanking on (and I mean that in a good way) about this kind of stuff.
They have a Miss England, but they also now have a Mr England. Is that progress?
I went to Mr Gay England and I was amazed at the 'choose your own outfit' round. One of them had come dressed as a boy in Auschwitz, you know, kinda stripy pyjamas, and my friend told me 'yes, that's a thing - it's very niche, but it's a thing'. But I'm just not very interested in how people look - I like friendly, funny people who are clever. I don't like the idea of simply looking at people when they're not talking. Until there's a Mr Conversation 2012, or Miss Funny 2014, i'm not interested in those competitions.
You think that Katie Price is a traitor to feminism, in fact you said she was 'Vichy France with tits'. A lot of people would disagree with you. For some reason she seems to be a role model for a lot of young girls.
I went this school in Southall to talk about role models. So many of the girls, 14 or 15 years old, chose Katie Price. When we asked them why, they said 'she's got loads of money and can do what she wants'. I was so disappointed. It's not even the sexy stuff that I care about. It's the way she uses her family. Like she did this range of lingerie and posed in a sexy outfit, covered in slap like a streetwalker at four in the morning, draped over a car - and she was holding her children's hands. In the Victorian age, if women had to take their children to work with them in the factories they were considered to have failed so badly, they were so poor, that the state needed to intervene in order to help them in a sticky situation. The idea that you, as a middle class girl, brought up with horses, who is now a millionaire would do that, I just don't understand. I can now recognise Junior Andre Price from 500 yards with a bag on his head. She's made her kids famous and they don't have an option in it and it's for the rest of their lives, they're going to be stuck in the papers.
In terms of popular culture, do you think that has helped women express themselves?
There is a big, general problem in popular culture because the women who can be seen as role models in films and sitcoms all want to open f**king cupcake shops. They've all got the gay friend, the fat friend, the posh friend. They all meet in bars to talk to each other. I never see characters that I can relate to in popular culture at all.
The whole Spice Girl thing was about being friends with your girlfriends. To paraphrase Chris Rock 'what else are you supposed to do with your friends you motherf**ker?'.
They were the biggest band in the world. There were all these cool, interesting women like Bjork, Alanis Morrisette and PJ Harvey but the ones who made it really big were girls dressing sexy again. You look at MTV through the nineties, the minute the Spice Girls came through, girls just had to wear fewer and fewer clothes, until they're gyrating around in just a bra and pants. It's distressing and silly.
What did you think about Slutwalks?
I hated how all those old school feminists said 'oh it would have been nice if they were properly dressed". I just thought 'bitch, you can't choose what the revolution looks like'. They wanted this bloody blue stocking revolution, but young chicks went out there and did off their own bat and it's fantastic. It's so patronising that they're telling younger women what should be acceptable behaviour. How dare you older feminists go 'this isn't quite perfect'?