David Starkey Attacks Tory Leadership And Eurocrats

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 3/10/2011 17:03 Updated: 3/12/2011 10:12

The historian Dr David Starkey has delivered a withering attack on current Tory strategy at the party's conference in Manchester. Speaking at a fringe event organised by the eurosceptic Bruges Group, the controversial historian also defended his recent comments on the riots in England, and predicted that Scotland would be too "canny" to leave the United Kingdom.

"This is a Tory party conference that enjoys what it enjoys doing, being in government, except that it is not," he told the audience at the Comedy Store. "It is in office but not in power.

"The Tories were defeated at the last election. That is to say they did not win outright majority. 2012 will see the 20th anniversary that the Tories won a majority at a general election. Twenty years. To find a comparable period in which the Tories did not win a victory in a general election you have to go back the 18th century."

Warning that the Tories would be unable to blame the sluggish economy on the previous Labour government for much longer, Starkey said: "In 2015 the blame for the economic mess will be with the Tories. Why should we expect much better?"

Referring to the storm of criticism which greeted his comments on the UK riots, where he claimed "the whites have become black", he admitted that his comments had been "spectacular in every sense". But he said he stood by his remarks, blaming the riots on "a gang culture that began amongst blacks and spread among whites."

"If you don't believe me, ask Darcus Howe," he said, adding that "In the south of England and the midlands there is a complete vacuum of identity.

"Rioting did not take place in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, nor the poorest parts of northeast England and Yorkshire," he said. "These places have a clear idea of who they are."

He said many of the problems in England were due to a lack of common identity and common purpose. "The rich in this country behave as monstrously as they do because there is no sense of common purpose," he said, claiming: "The City of London has become a city state, complete with a fool jester despot in Boris Johnson."

To widespread cheers in the audience he suggested that to reduce waste in government, the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland offices should be closed, claiming: "They cannot do anything. It is deluded and it is demented."

But he said that he didn't anticipate Scottish independence any time soon, saying: "Until a few years ago the EU would have offered a welcoming and pain-free home to Scotland or Wales, and maybe even Northern Ireland. But the Euro crisis has put paid to that. Scotland is too canny to vote for independence and the euro. Instead it will settle for home rule and the pound."

"You all think I've gone mad," he said after claiming England invented limited government, representative government, capitalism and the rule of law.

Tory activists leaving the fringe had mixed views about the historian's criticism of David Cameron.

"A bit harsh," said one. "I don't agree with most of it, but there are some points in there I would agree with, particularly on standing up to Europe," said another.

"I think because Cameron was a spin doctor, Starkey doesn't like that, he thinks we should have a Prime Minister who's done a proper job," said another.

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The historian Dr David Starkey has delivered a withering attack on current Tory strategy at the party's conference in Manchester. Speaking at a fringe event organised by the eurosceptic Bruges Group,...
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Mark B Robertson
09:19 PM on 10/16/2011
Remember, Starkey is completely raving bonkers!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:21 AM on 10/04/2011
Tories to lose next election. OK, but to whom?
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Tim Haselden
An Enemy of Rupert Murdoch, since 1984.
07:46 PM on 10/05/2011
This years X-Factor winner?
09:42 AM on 10/04/2011
"Scotland would be too "canny" to leave the United Kingdom". Ah maybe, but will England be too canny to stay in the United Kingdom? The majority of us English want independence. If Scotland doesn't go we will!
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
02:33 AM on 10/07/2011
Why would England want independence? You'd lose all of the subsidy from the Scottish taxpayer.
12:19 PM on 10/07/2011
If what you say about subsidies is true then Scotland would be mad to stay in the Union. So we English can look forward to a resounding YES vote in 2014 can we? I hope so.
If the reverse of what you say is true then England would be mad to stay in the Union. Either way it looks to me as though the Union is past its sell by date.
As I said in my previous post, if Scotland doesn't go we English will!
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European1919
I am the PigmⒶn
06:33 AM on 10/04/2011
The pc minority will have issues with his controversial statements, but that is no reason for the majority, still retaining common sense, to not discuss them and analyse them for merit. Britain, and all of Europe, needs more figures like him, or Sarazin in Germany, to shout the wake-up call.
11:16 AM on 10/04/2011
What do you mean? We've got plenty of rent a gob mouthpieces that love nothing more than the sound of their own voice and always want to tell you how everything is rather than their opinion. I suggest you try some of the more extreme churches if you like this type of thing.

And everyone is pc in different ways. Racists no longer like to be called racist for instance.
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one1byke
Easy no Man.
11:43 PM on 10/03/2011
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ThEbor
Be an opener of doors for such as come after thee.
10:45 PM on 10/03/2011
The Comedy Store. How positively dignified.
10:04 PM on 10/03/2011
im Scottish and i am British. i dont get why some people want separation. I am for the Union as most people here.
I love United Kingdom! We're much better and stronger together :)
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
12:56 AM on 10/04/2011
I'm Scottish first, second and last. Scotland suffers because of the union: we have no control over our economy and what suits London, even if it means massive job losses and destruction of industry here, is what is imposed on all of us; we have no control of *our* natural resources which subsidise the rest of the UK, while we have our budget cut; we are treated with disdain and contempt, lied about, ignored and mocked, while our young men and women lay down their lives in foreign countries, in wars we didn't start, for a foreign government.

Scotland suffers and so do you.
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John michael Adams
04:51 AM on 10/04/2011
oh the usual rhetoric of london. why do you always blame london for everything? london has become a scapegoat for the failures of snp. the Scottish people have realized the reality that the snp is not working for the scots but for their selfish desire to have their own state even if it deprives the true Scots of their desire in the Union with their family in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Scotland never suffers. The United Kingdom never suffers. This Kingdom has survived two world wars and crushed socialism and communism in 1991. The Acts of Settlement and King James VI of Scotland testified the benefit of having the Union of the Crowns with England after Queen Elizabeth's Tudor leadership.
The United Kingdom is composed of Home Nations that work together to survive together. That is the virtue upheld by the patriots of the past and it is the duty of the present to preserve that virtue for the benefit of all home nations together belonging in this great Kingdom: United and Brave.
10:38 AM on 10/04/2011
What's this first, second last thing? You are a human being, nationality is an invention. We all should love where we come from and be proud of it if it deserves to be, nationalism is so often just an excuse to blame/hate your neighbor for percieved injustices. Generally the peasants suffer or suffered everywhere, nationalists use this as an excuse to be big fish in little ponds, I know Scotland well and I've yet to see the suffering caused by the English you moan about so much. Let's face it nationalism is a nearly respectable form of fascism.
12:24 PM on 10/07/2011
Cathsmile I often hear that phrase 'we are much better and stronger together' but I never hear any justification for it. Why do you believe Scotland and England are stronger together? I can think of plenty of reasons why England should become independent but not one reason why England should remain in the Disunited Kingdom.
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Yank in France
Rien se cree tout se transforme
09:50 PM on 10/03/2011
So David Starkey has the audacity to suggest that whites are beginning to talk and act like stereotypes of blacks? Man, that the sorta talk that make me wanna hit him right upside the head and steal his hoe!!
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deluk
disgusted.
11:11 PM on 10/03/2011
actually I said that on this site before Mr Starkey did and if you lived where I do you'd instantly see that it's true and very tiresome it is too, you feel like screaming "You're in LONDON not TRENCHTOWN"
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Yank in France
Rien se cree tout se transforme
05:40 AM on 10/04/2011
As usual, my attempt at irony appears to have fallen flat! -:)
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
08:38 PM on 10/03/2011
"Until a few years ago the EU would have offered a welcoming and pain-free home to Scotland"

Considering that Scotland has more than 62% of the know oil reserves in the whole of the EU, the vast majority of the fish stocks and the greatest renewable energy potential to name but 3 they'll be falling over themselves to let us in. Whether or not they'd welcome and independent England is a different matter.
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John michael Adams
09:45 PM on 10/03/2011
lol pure snp propaganda.
1. scotland has less oil reserve, in fact its production is dwindling. this month its production decreased below the 1 million barrel mark. so stop dreaming about your oil because there is none anymore. And New Oil and Shale reserves (14 trillion cubic) is discovered in Lancashire.
2. majority of fish stocks? lies. English fish production is larger than Scottish.
3. greatest renewable energy? where are you, really? scottish energy resources are dwindling.
4. your snp just slashed 14,000 jobs and increased tuition fees. lol you cant blame england for that now.
so much fart in the scottish air, i cant wait to welcome the true Scottish people undeterred by snp politicians whose only aim is to deprive people of their true desire within the Union. Oh, snp may won last election, but there are more Scots who voted for the conservative and labour overall.
12:12 AM on 10/04/2011
Eh? What planet are you on?
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
12:23 AM on 10/04/2011
1. Production decreased because of maintenance work and faults with North Sea infrastructure. Add to that the short-termism of Osborne and his windfall tax which will hinder further exploration.

2. No lie.

Landings of fish for 2006 to 2010 (inclusive) for vessels administered in England: (in £millions) 193.4 208.7 189.3 190.9 229.6

Landings of fish for 2006 to 2010 (inclusive) for vessels administered in Scotland: (in £millions) 366.1 380.5 393.6 443.9 435.2

(Source: http://marinemanagement.org.uk/fisheries/statistics/documents/ukseafish/2010/landings.pdf)

Scottish fish production is more than twice than of England.

3. Scottish renewable energy production is *growing*. To date we have over 4 gigawatts of renewable electrical generation with an even greater potential: Scotland has an estimated potential of 36.5 GW of wind and 7.5 GW of tidal power, 25% of the estimated total capacity for the European Union and up to 14 GW of wave power potential, 10% of EU capacity.

4. The UK government slashed the budget for the Scotland even though we continue to subsidise the rest of the UK to the tune of several billions of pounds every year.

The Scottish people will have their say on whether to remain within the discredited union or seek a better, brighter and more prosperous future alone.
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Derek Lantin
Writer.
01:46 AM on 10/04/2011
That's Ok. An independent England would not want to join.
07:28 PM on 10/03/2011
'controversial historian'? Fiction writer more like.

The only thing that obsesses him more than Europe is the sound of his own voice.

And as far as his riot remarks, the problem isn't his views on gang culture, relevant as they clearly are, it was that he said that if you close your eyes then David Lammy sounded like a white person because he wasn't talking 'street'.

If he was a decent man he would apologise and move on, but he's not. In the US he would never work again in the media for this.
09:05 PM on 10/03/2011
...a good reason never to move to the US. To speak your mind is a basic human right, even if what he says is unpalateable to some with different viewpoints.
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Yank in France
Rien se cree tout se transforme
09:45 PM on 10/03/2011
You are right, controversial views are FORBODEN in the US. Just one more reason I prefer to live in the old continent!!
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
05:39 PM on 10/03/2011
David Starkey you have summed it up so well.