Durham Shooting: Are Britain's Gun Laws Tough Enough?

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Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 03/01/12 12:52 GMT Updated: 03/01/12 13:54 GMT

The New Year's Day shootings in Peterlee, County Durham, have reopened the debate about whether Britain's firearms laws should be tightened further, after it emerged the man behind the killings had a licence for six weapons.

Taxi driver Michael Atherton - who shot dead his partner and two other women before killing himself on Sunday - had licences for three shotguns and three "Section One" firearms such as rifles.

Atherton reportedly threatened to commit suicide in 2008, and friends have since said that they believed the taxi driver was depressed before he opened fire on his partner, her daughter and her sister.

Under current laws, owners of shotguns and rifles must undergo background checks which are supposed to ensure they pose no threat to public safety.

People applying for permission to keep a gun must declare any criminal records and relevant medical conditions, including any previous treatment for depression or mental illness.

Police forces have powers to revoke firearms licences if officers receive information about new convictions or changes in the certificate-holder's mental health.

But a series of horrifying mass shootings over the years - in particular in Hungerford in August 1987, Dunblane in March 1996 and Cumbria in June 2010 - have raised questions about whether enough is done to stop guns legally ending up in the hands of dangerously unstable people.

Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, Roger Gray, a former firearms tactical adviser to the Metropolitan police, said the current framework was "sufficient" but the level of scrutiny needed to be addressed.

"I would feel that if someone started to present themselves as a self harmer, or as a danger to themselves or others, the possibility of a firearm should be scrutinised to the nth degree and perhaps the firearm should be taken away

"I think the framework of law is sufficient, it is the application of that framework which needs to be looked at.

"We need to put more pressure and make more resources available to literally police the ownership of firearms to a greater extent.

"The level of scrutiny, I would say, needs to go up, and this one has definitely slipped through the net."

Number 10 said that there will be be no review of firearms legislation, stating: "Our laws are already among toughest in the world"

Prime Minister David Cameron said the government was "trying to balance the need to protect public safety with the need to make sure those controls are practical and work.

"On this specific case we need to wait for the investigation to conclude."

Ministers were looking at guidance and the way gun laws were implemented following a critical report by the Home Affairs Select Committee, he said.

Both types of firearms certification are reviewed every five years, although fewer than 1% of applications to renew a shotgun licence were rejected in 2009-10.

Home Office figures for England and Wales show there were 141,775 certificates on issue for Section One firearms and 580,653 for shotguns at the end of March 2010.

Police revoked 302 firearms licences and 1,076 shotgun licences in 2009-10.

The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) have called for the "facts" in the case to be looked at before drawing any conclusions.

"There has just been a comprehensive parliamentary review of firearms law in the UK and the facts in this incident need to be firmly established."

David Taylor, Shooting Campaign Manager for the Countryside Alliance, said he welcomed the government's response on the issue.

"The laws that govern shooting have been carefully drawn and added-to over several years so that today they are as rigorous and all-encompassing as possible.

"There looks to have been a failure at some point in the process in this event, and the most sensible action is to investigate what went wrong and then decide how it might be fixed.”

In December 2010, the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee described legislation in England and Wales as a "complex and confused" mess and called for tighter restrictions on gun licences.

The MPs called for convicted criminals who receive suspended jail terms - like taxi driver Derrick Bird, who ended up killing 12 people in the 2010 Cumbria shooting spree - to be stripped of firearms licences to prevent future incidents.

Shooting organisations stress that the UK's gun laws are already extremely tough and have warned against a "knee-jerk" reaction to the latest tragedy.

Stressing that the vast majority of gun-related homicide and crime involved illegally-held firearms, Shooting Sports Trust spokesman Mike Yardley said said any applicant for a shotgun certificate must undergo thorough background checks and prove they represent now danger to public safety..

"The applicant must provide GP details, a referee - two for a firearms certificate for section 1 firearms such as rifles - and show that he or she has somewhere safe to store a shotgun.

"No licensing system can be perfect, but it would be hard to see how the present system could be much improved," he was quoted by the Press Association as saying.

"We have very tough gun laws in the United Kingdom and we also have a very small amount of gun crime."

Have your say: Are Britain's gun laws tough enough?

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12:32 PM on 10/23/2012
Britain already has some of the strictest fire arms laws in the world. I hope you're all aware that people aren't even allowed pepper spray and mace in the UK. Therefore our gun laws are if anything far too strict. As you can clearly see, they are not working. The reason why our firearms restrictions are not working is because the only people who will listen to them are the law abiding citizens who if they had guns would not commit crime with them. The criminals who use guns for crime, by nature ignore the firearms restrictions and acquire guns anyway . What you are left with are heavily armed criminals and completely and utterly defenseless law abiding citizens. If this isn't a lesson to those knee jerkers and goody two shoes pacifists about (forgive the pun) jumping the gun every time there is a shooting, then i don't know what is.
12:13 AM on 04/07/2012
bad guys are always going to find ways to get guns, you put ordinary people in a very vulnerable state by having restrictive gun laws on ordinary citizens. People should be able to bear arms. The governments trying to set up the people so that they have no option to resist tyranny. In the U.S our leftist politicians are trying to figure out a way to disarm the American people, they know that we are being pushed to our limit. I feel the ordinary people around the world should stand firm with each other and know that we are not enemies and should not be drawn into killing each other because our corrupt leaders want to thin the heard by starting wars for their own amusement as our soldiers and innocent people die. These governments are servants of the people and we have to get that mind set back and put them in their place or kick them out. Greater Freedom for all has to be the goal let's not let history repeat itself.
10:38 PM on 01/04/2012
Leave the UK gun laws alone, they are are already among the toughest in the world. Most gun crime in this country is carried out by illegally held unlicenced firearms.
02:44 PM on 01/04/2012
Gun laws do not need to get any tougher they actually nee to get laxer. The certificat­ion process is strong enough in weeding out most pshycotic or mentally disturbed people, the problem is the government likes to ban firearms type on mass hysteria. Bring back pistols and centre-fir­e rifles. Before Dunblane and Hungerford most firearms crime was carried out with sawn off shotguns not with handguns or AK-47s.

Even in America, which has the most guns in the world, lawful firearms holders are involved in about 1-2% of crimes and contrary to popular belief a lawfully owned machinegun or an "assault rifle" (there is no such thing, I am just using emotive language so people know what I am talking about) being used in so few cases statistics are not even kept.
10:34 PM on 01/03/2012
People keep saying: Why does anyone need guns? Why does a taxi driver need guns? So..Why does anyone need an electric drill? Why should a taxi driver have a chainsaw? They are tools. Tools used in the hobby of shooting--whether it's at paper targets, clay targets, or for hunting? It's a popular hobby. The owners don't 'walk the streets' with guns. They can shoot them on farmland where they have the landowner's permission, or at authorised gun clubs. People don't seem to know the difference between licensed guns and guns held by drug dealers and other criminals. I have had guns for fifty years; I know dozens of people who have had them as long without any misuse. The gun laws are tight enough as they are as there is no legislation to stop disturbed individuals. And don't forget the great despots in history took guns away from their population--Hitler, Mao, Saddam Hussein and a good few others.
10:41 PM on 01/04/2012
Very good comments.
08:27 PM on 01/03/2012
The UK gun laws make it impossible for honest, law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from those that choose to use firearms for criminal activity, including the government. The British have a history of disarming those they wish to enslave.

"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason
06:11 PM on 01/03/2012
Im puzzled, this is one of many killings by shooting in the last week, yes he was a firearms holder, whether he had one gun or 6 is irelavent, but its questionable as to what circumstances led to his licence looked into,if he has satisfied the criteria then he keeps his licence. Lets put things in perspective relating to firearms, how comes so many people are carrying guns on the UK streets un-challenged, surely we should be looking at giving the police back powers for random searches,not making them jump through hoops before doing searches, when they had the powers then people were afraid to carry weapons of any sort. Yes he had a gun licence, the two people that reversed into a police officer thats in the news had a driving licence, so should we question why they still had a licence. 99.9% of lawful gunholders are not a problem, but as with anything there is always a risk.
05:21 PM on 01/03/2012
I don't see the point of enacting new laws when the current ones are not enforced. Derrick Bird was convicted of a crime, why were his licences not revoked and his firearms confiscated?
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03:57 PM on 01/03/2012
If the laws already in place were administered and enfoced properly there would be no need for any change. Its the admin and enforcement of the law that needs to be reviewed, and even then, I fail to see how a case like this could be prevented.
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jamesinraro
02:37 PM on 01/03/2012
If the UK continues to follow the lead of its puppet master, the US, laws will be both diminished and unenforced, and Britain will see the same level of gun violence seen in American cities.
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Kevin Mcilroy
02:30 PM on 01/03/2012
Don't change the law - improve the enforcement.

It is the same with knife crime - now and again someone will insist that new laws are passed when existing laws are satisfactory - if they are enforced.