Guantanamo Bay: British Spies To Find Out Whether Face Charges

Guantanamo Bay

First Posted: 12/01/12 06:53 GMT Updated: 12/01/12 07:09 GMT   PA

British spies are expected to find out whether they will face charges on Thursday over their alleged complicity in the torture of terror suspects.

Several MI5 and MI6 agents are understood to be at the centre of criminal investigations into the treatment of former detainees including UK resident Binyam Mohamed.

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay claim British security and intelligence officials colluded in their torture and abuse while they were held at the controversial detention centre.

The Crown Prosecution Service will issue a statement "announcing a number of decisions in relation to the investigations into the alleged ill-treatment of detainees".

The announcement comes after human rights campaigners condemned the US government's ongoing failure to close Guantanamo, 10 years after the arrival of the first detainees.

An inquiry into British complicity in torture and rendition was due to begin in the wake of the police investigation.

Foreign Secretary William Hague has stressed the Government's commitment to "drawing a line" under the alleged involvement of intelligence agencies in the torture of terror suspects held overseas.

But human rights groups and lawyers are refusing to give evidence or attend any meetings with the inquiry team because it does not have "credibility or transparency".

A number of British Muslims have complained that they were questioned by agents after being tortured in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.

Others say they were tortured in places such as Egypt, Dubai, Morocco and Syria, while being interrogated on the basis of information that could only have been supplied by the UK.

In November 2010, Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke announced that secret payouts to 16 former detainees at Guantanamo were being made to pave the way for the inquiry into allegations of torture.

Mohamed, Bishar Al Rawi, Jamil El Banna, Richard Belmar, Omar Deghayes, Moazzam Begg and Martin Mubanga were said to be among those receiving settlements.

Mohamed was granted refugee status in Britain in 1994 after seeking asylum from Ethiopia.

He travelled to Pakistan in 2001 - the year he converted to Islam - and was arrested there a year later on suspicion of involvement in terrorism, before being "rendered" to Morocco and Afghanistan.

After being subjected to alleged torture by his US captors, he was sent to Guantanamo Bay in 2004. However, in October 2008, the US government dropped all charges against him.

Mohamed was released and returned to Britain in February 2009.

In a rare speech on the use of secret intelligence in November, Mr Hague acknowledged that Britain's reputation had been damaged by claims that MI5 and MI6 officers had been complicit.

"The very making of these allegations undermined Britain's standing in the world as a country that upholds international law and abhors torture," he said.

Both the detainee inquiry under Sir Peter Gibson and Green Paper proposals to enable the greater use of secret intelligence material in court cases have prompted controversy.

The Green Paper has been criticised by human rights groups who warned that it would lead to greater secrecy in the justice system, making it more difficult to hold the authorities to account for alleged abuses.

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British spies are expected to find out whether they will face charges on Thursday over their alleged complicity in the torture of terror suspects. Several MI5 and MI6 agents are understood to be at...
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05:22 PM on 01/12/2012
Two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right'. You can't justify torturing people on the basis that they may have been involved in torturing others. Shame on Britain if it turned a blind eye to the authorities torturing prisoners. The world reputation of Britain is at stake. We should never sink as low as the offenders. If we are willing to torture then that makes us no better than the criminals.
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Saint wright
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04:10 PM on 01/12/2012
4.00pm news No charges to be made in this case, but investigating another incident that has come to light?
12:05 PM on 01/12/2012
Only in this country would we entertain such nonsense. It seems to me that some people only want to be British when they get into trouble abroad. They spend the rest of their time disrespecting Britain, criticising our ways and sponging off her. They disappear off to terrorist training camps and when things get a bit tough they come whinging to the British Government to rescue them. The UK will bend over backwards to support these people and the Human Rights Brigade will ensure that the Taxpayer funds their compensation, houses and feeds them for the rest of their lives. If there are any charges agains British Security Service it will be a travesty.
12:31 PM on 01/12/2012
Marky H.............you are so right.
01:11 PM on 01/12/2012
very true, those involved are not even British subjects most passed through on their way to learn how to make bombs.
11:21 AM on 01/12/2012
thereis only one way to deal with terrorist and that is to to them what they do to us.
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butterfly123
11:03 AM on 01/12/2012
So HP are at it again, I'm not allowed to state, give them comfy chairs, sweets, cable tv etc and they will tell us the truth, I don't think so!
10:57 AM on 01/12/2012
If it had been left to me, there would have been no Guantanamo Bay detainees..........I would have given them flying lesons over the Atlantic.
katertaif
My wife thinks I have one fault. Everything I do!
01:26 PM on 01/12/2012
That's inhuman stu, what has the Atlantic ever done to you?
03:21 PM on 01/12/2012
What's the Atlantic ever done to me?.....Well let's see, having served in the merchant navy for 40 years and crossing it so often that I can't remember how many times, as well as the Pacific, I could say that once upon a time it earned me a living but one thing I did learn was that should some unfortunate ever fall into it, the chances of them ever being found again are just about zero. I would say that was a bonus when you consider some of those held in Guantanamo Bay.
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butterfly123
10:43 AM on 01/12/2012
So to interview terrorist suspects, we have to put them into a comfy chair, sweets, cable tv and everything else that is comfy and they will tell the truth? But its ok for them to torturer and kill others!
10:34 AM on 01/12/2012
it seems like quite a high percentage of these people being investigated, ended up here after claiming asylum, from a islamic country. Now it does seem a little strange to me after recieveing
a british passport which makes travelling around the world a lot easier. they seem to want to go back to a islamic country, that usually borders a country we are at war with, many times they are even found and taken in custody from a country like iraq or afganistan, which once again amazes me as they fled a country and seeked asylum because they were fleeing countries that run along the lines of the very countries they were heading towards. Simple answer close the borders ours that is.
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10:27 AM on 01/12/2012
They should not be punished for protecting their nation. This is why the police are unable to do their job properly, because of the backlash from the HR brigade. If these lads/lasses are prosecuted for what was done, then we might as well hand over our countries to the bombers/radicals that seem to persist in wanting to maim, kill and destroy the west. Many of these perpetrators have been educated/nurtured in the UK and USA, only to be radicalised and kill their providers. It would be interesting to know how many dangerous radicals are currently being housed in the UK, but because of the HR/ethnicity protection they receive, nothing can be done to protect the respectable citizens. If the government prosecutes they have their heads in the sand! Disgusted.
katertaif
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09:36 AM on 01/12/2012
Back to the human rights, and ambulance chasing lawyers again. These people were captured while suspected of actively fighting against coalition troops, which includes British troops Itt certainly requires investigation. Some of them, at least, if not all of them went to Afghanistan to fight against us. Why it has taken so long to bring them to trial I don't know. It seems to me they are lucky to be alive at all.No one can condone torture, if in fact they were tortured. There are other ways of getting information, and if that information has saved the lives of our soldiers...... So they go to fight against us, and in the end wind up getting a large slice of cash for it, From who? the good old taxpayer.
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Saint wright
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09:16 AM on 01/12/2012
My wife made a good point in the interest of Health & Safety, Muslims should travel on aircraft dedicated for Muslims use only, so Islamic Terrorists will be less likely to try and blow up those planes, and us infidels will be a lot safer & have less security hassle when we travel.

From what i have read most Islamic countries use torture on a regular basis and so will the Taliban, we should not.

In the last war the RAF injected aircrew who refused to fly with Sodium Pentathol (truth drug) to find out if cowards or mentaly ille, perhaps we should do that now?
10:05 AM on 01/12/2012
Good idea! Perhaps we could test this theory on some racists first. Just to be sure that it works of course!
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rabidrightwatch
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10:22 AM on 01/12/2012
good post - what an excellent idea... fanned & favourite
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BuxtonBlueCat
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10:29 AM on 01/12/2012
Use the criminals locked up for life for any experiments. Why isn't this drug used instead of the lie detector. Never heard of it before. Perhaps MPs should be injected with this on a regular basis, starting with Alex Salmond!
katertaif
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11:59 AM on 01/12/2012
I understand what you are saying, and the reasons you say it. it would however only deter the suicide bombers. The terrorists would find other ways of circumventing security and planting bombs. Innocent people could be asked to take a parcel to a friend for example. It shouldn't happen but it does.
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Saint wright
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01:50 PM on 01/12/2012
well its a start?
08:57 AM on 01/12/2012
Terrorist groups are laughing their heads off at us with this fiasco. One wonders why our country has to follow the rules and regulations regarding terrorist activity but those suspected of terrorism don't. Our country and allies go after terrorists where they are known to train in perfect safety and we have people coming out of the woodwork suggesting we started an "illegal" war. I don't see terrorists approaching the UN to ask them if it's okay if they hijack a few aircraft and fly them into tall buildings. That criminal act seems to be acceptable. We are now accused of torturing terrorist suspects, even though we were nowhere near them but who's out there complaining when terrorists saw the heads off kidnap victims? Who are the mugs here?.....seems like we are. Maybe we should just accept a certain level of terrorism as part of modern living and just walk away, letting them get away with it. Those that have been taken prisoner as suspected terrorists should count themselves lucky they've been released alive.....I am quite sure that any of our allies taken prisoner by terrorists only have one option........death, usually in the most horrible manner.
You have to ask yourself just what would a British passport holder be doing in a war zone unless he was in the military. The best excuse I heard about was the guy who reckoned he was in Iraq to do a computer course..........yeah right.
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Saint wright
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09:10 AM on 01/12/2012
totally agree well done for getting posted?
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BuxtonBlueCat
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10:31 AM on 01/12/2012
You have my 100% agreement here! My claws are out, I'm so angry.
katertaif
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11:10 AM on 01/12/2012
My original reply to you was deleted stu. obviously something the unpredictable moderator didn't like. Possibly because I mentioned themanner of terrible death you mentioned, still well said and well written.