Unions Head-Off Launch Of Tory TURC Campaign By Claiming They Save The Economy £2m A Day

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 24/01/2012 12:42 Updated: 24/01/2012 13:56

Who are the real dinosaurs in workplace relations? The union barons or out-of-touch Tory toffs? Whatever your view, get ready for a row about it.

Unions are seeking to pre-empt the launch of a Tory-led campaign against taxpayer-funded trade union officials by claiming they save the economy £2m every day.

The TUC report Facility Time for Union Reps: Separating fact from fiction [PDF], concludes that union reps in the workplace save time and money because they lead to "more productive, and better trained, workforces, safer workplaces, and fewer cases taken to employment tribunal".

The TUC's report includes affidavits from several local government employers, who say union activity makes their workforces happier and more efficient.

The union released their claims ahead of the official launch of the Trade Union Reform Campaign (TURC), a feisty group of Tories who are determined to stop what they claim are taxpayers funding union officials in the public sector. Their launch event is being held in Westminster on Wednesday evening.

Chief among the TURC's targets are the "Pilgrims", public sector workers who allegedly work full-time doing trade union work. The terms arises from the row which engulfed Jane Pilgrim, who was thought to be a full-time nurse but who turned out to be doing extensive trade union activity during working hours.

The TURCs believe nearly 3,000 public sector staff take part in some form of union activity during working hours, and that unions get £113 million from taxpayers a year. The unions haven't disputed these numbers, but insist the money is well-spent.

A recent adjournment debate by now-disgraced Tory MP Aidan Burley descended into highly un-parliamentary exchanges between the MP for Cannock Chase and Merseyside MP Steve Rotheram.

After Burley's ministerial ambitions were scuppered by his stag party scandal last month, the mantle was passed to rising star Jesse Norman, who tried to introduce a Bill to the Commons a fortnight ago calling for Pilgrims to be outlawed. But the private Bill failed to even get a first reading in the Commons when Labour galvanised the vast majority of its MPs to reject it.

In a statement on Wednesday, TUC General Secretary Brendan Barber said: “The highly exaggerated and wholly inaccurate figures being bandied around by groups and individuals on the right as to the cost of unions in the public sector are supposedly borne out of a desire to save money. In reality they are nothing more than a thinly-veiled attack on unions."

He was supported by the PCS union, who have honed in on the fact Aidan Burley is leading the TURC campaign and former defence secretary Liam Fox is supporting it.

PCS leader Mark Serwotka said: ""The truth is that, if they got their way, these discredited MPs leading a purely politically motivated campaign would damage our economy to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds a year."

Tonight's launch at Westminster will include a speech by communities secretary Eric Pickles, a former chairman of the Conservative Party.

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Kevin oss
07:00 PM on 01/24/2012
we need a a fair goverment who will do the best for its people,not the best for it self,not the best for billonares and not the best for individuals who are living off others,,we need unions who recognise that actions which disrupt a whole transportation system,are living on borrowed time, we need govt and unions not only to communicate but work together, nothing but discontent will come of a winter of strikes and we will all suffer,in the end the unions must stand up for british workers and back british export s and job creation ,not live in dream world ,condions are tougher today ecconomics cant be ignored ,but low pay cant be either ,

British management has a lot to answer for also, its dictatorial it has a them and us attitude,its hands clean not roll the sleeves up, that has to change that also goes as far as the board room, how many board rooms take any ideas from the work force? the exclusivity of management is hurting reseach and developement as much as funding,, the british are inventors ,not any more we have not invented much in 10 yrs apathetic goverment is reponsible for it as much as apatetic mangement..if NASA was here in the uk it would have failed 20 yrs ago due to lack of funding and lack of vision,,
05:09 PM on 01/24/2012
Union Leaders cost the econemy money so do not save it
Southern law girl
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05:05 PM on 01/24/2012
I do agree somewhat with Yanbridge. However, I don't think it is as simple as that. We need the Unions for one thing, and in my opinion one thing only, a deterrant, bit like a nuclear status of a country. Countries have their defences set up as a warning system to prevent attack, so there has to be mechanisms to prevent the 'master' bearing down too hard on the 'servant' - that is what it is known as in employment law. Failure to do this could see the return of bad working conditions, despite there being leglislation against it. We can see clearly what happens in other countries who have no organisation looking after the interests of the worker. All about checks and balances again.
04:39 PM on 01/24/2012
Just look what unios have done to UK , All our UK owned car industry has gone, Ship building because of ridiculous demarcation disputes, steel industry and heavy industry due to uncompetiveness cased by low productivity and strikes on a whim. The unions are all in our public services causing problems not management and they will wreak these with the low output Stupid PC, health and safety as a reason for not doing normal everyday activities and all the none jobs that have been created.
karen1963yorks
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05:13 PM on 01/24/2012
Not only that but because of unions I am no longer allowed to chain children to machines or whip them AND I have been forced to replace the saftey guards on the power saws.
How am I supposed to compete with India if I am forced by these stupid "welfare" laws to allow them to stop working and sleep every 14 hours. Unions are terrible for the country reducing my profits by a massive margin.
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Allyb999
05:29 PM on 01/24/2012
yes, sure you will be happy for your children to be put up the chimneys again. One sided arguements are unproductive, please feel free to tell me how good this country would be without any union interaction. I am sure none of firms would cut H&S or abuse the power they would have. That a few workers would die everyday, small price to pay for the business elite making more money.
04:30 PM on 01/24/2012
Notice where the unions have all their power, the public services. The work forces that make real money for all of us such as the automotive industry rarely mention the word 'union'. Says it all to me.
karen1963yorks
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05:15 PM on 01/24/2012
You mean Nissan donate all their UK profits to the British people?
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OH72
06:09 AM on 01/25/2012
I'd rather assume that's because there barely is any automotive industry left in the UK - because in Germany, the IG Metall is one of the strongest and most vocal unions, and it has more than a thing or two to say about how the car industry is run, given that their delegates are even sitting on the supervisory boards of the big car makers.
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Lord Justice Wolf
04:13 PM on 01/24/2012
Thats right ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Lets attack the Unions. Government have twisted Legal AId so if you want to take legal action against a big company, you can't. If you want to call your Union to get support, you can't and why? Because you do as your told or else? Cameron is Mr Hitler.........no I'm sorry that was unfair and crass, Hitler a;erred you to what he was going to do, Cameron does it by modern day stealth.
04:34 PM on 01/24/2012
Does the real Lord Justice Wolf know you have stolen his identity?
Southern law girl
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04:55 PM on 01/24/2012
Legal aid is now a very rare thing. Personally, by making it even less available they have upset the balance of fairness. The wealthy and big companies have the upper hand in access to justice. But here's the thing. You can represent yourself, you can also appoint someone to go with you, like what is known as a McKenzie Friend. The name came from years ago, when a Clerk in the firm of McKenzie gave free help to a client who had no funds left. Hence McKenzie Friend. This is quite a good way of doing it, because those of little means can argue they have no money, so forget costs before we start. This also gives those you take action against a warning shot across the bows, because they are on notice they will not be able to recover costs. Being in the knowledge they will not get costs paid, they will think twice about your claim. What worries me more than anything is employment situations, if someone has been bullied at work, or dismissed constructively speaking, ie engineering things by making life so unpleasant there is no option but to leave. This is known as constructive dismissal. Sorry, just ranting on, getting carried away!
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01:53 PM on 01/24/2012
In my long experience of the working world in the public sector and shorter, but still relevant, time in the private sector I can categorically say that from the taxpayers point of view union reps are a complete waste of money - brilliant for the workforce because of the advantages the unions have gained for them - they have almost unlimited amounts of time away from tehir jobs as they attend meetings, conferences etc on 'union business'. This means that either their 'proper' work piles up and they then get paid exhorbitant overtime rates on their return to clear the backlog, or a temp is hired to do it in their absence.
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Allyb999
05:31 PM on 01/24/2012
Bet you never refused the pay rise the unions won for you, or refused the better working conditions?
08:51 PM on 01/24/2012
I did once argue and was quickly advised that if the union canceled my membership it would mean I lost my job, so no I didn't. However I frequently challenged the aggressive and confrontational attitude of the local branch. Besides this isn't the point - the unions now are a luxury the country can ill afford. The unions have all ammalgamated into large corporate conglomerates in the mould of the organisations they oppose.
01:49 PM on 01/24/2012
Noshers Comment, just about sums up the union situation, just think what kind of a country we would have had with King Arthur, Red Robbo, and Jack Jones left to their own devices. We would have been worse than the worst of the Eastern Block communist countries like Albania and the current North Korea. Now the unions have combined to form major blocks we look as we are going to suffer again by union oriented strikes led by excessively government funded union senior employees on Salaries that we all wish we could emulate at over the £100k mark. Just where do they think the money comes from? As for King Arthur even his old union are trying to get some of his excess apyments and perks back.
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Allyb999
05:25 PM on 01/24/2012
What kind of country would we have if we let the employers to thier own devices, kids working for 50p a day, workers getting the sack because they looked at the boss the wrong way, health and safety would be non existant, no there has to be a balance.
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NOSHER
01:40 PM on 01/24/2012
its maggie thatcher who finished the unions and since then the tories have brainwashed the country bring back arthur scargill he was the onlyone telling the truth he prodicted all of this
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i418
03:39 PM on 01/24/2012
nosher there are mining families out there who are tore apart through scargils actions so thank god he is defuncted it was not maggy thatcher who destroyed the once great liverpool docks but the unions with there petty strikes now very few cargo ship visit the port If scargil was such a no all why did he not stand as an mp im sure labour could have found him a safe seat and we all no that the unions run the labour party giving them rank and file members funds also when did scargil predict that simple folks are brainwashed .We have just had 13 years off blair and brown and look at the mess the country is in it always seems strange that the unions call strikes when they no the general public will suffer causing lots of them hardship .But the union leaders dont care they still draw there massive saleries there luxurey houses ect while folks starve.no if anybody is being brainwashed it is the labour supporter tory voters have more savvy
08:20 PM on 01/24/2012
No, mining families that were tore apart were those which had scabs in their midst, Thatcher brought the battle to the unions, if the unions had stuck together we might all have had decent wages today rather than only those in management. I've been a miner and though had no vote on the big strike I knew then I was fighting to preserve jobs and decent wages, not just for mineworkers but all industrial workers in this country, Scargill was right all along, he just went the wrong way about it, Thatcher won the day and closed the pits and every other industry which this country was built upon. I have also been a seaman and watched the docks go the same way, for what, yuppie dockside apartments, we are an Island, without either warships or a means of trade if the outside world pulls the plug, a sorry state of affairs. What have we now, a shopkeepers union, public servants union, trainworkers union, none of whom dare battle because all are terrified of living a day without pay, and private sector employees working for peanuts while decrying the unions. Well take your slave wages, employers are laughing at you, never again will the British worker earn enough to live on, you've been mugged for the Tory ideal, they and their chums are the only beneficiaries of poor weak unions

While I remember Toryboy, that Eton education hasn't done you any favours in the grammar, spelling and punctuation department.
04:28 PM on 01/24/2012
Have you forgotten that Labour were in power for 13 years! Unpalatable though it may be, it was Blair who really broke Union power. We need strong, fair and reasonable unions - we do not need Arthur Scargill!