NHS Rebellion From Royal Colleges Averted

Nhs Health And Social Care Bill

First Posted: 27/01/2012 07:03 Updated: 27/01/2012 07:03   PA

The government appears to have escaped a major rebellion from influential Royal Colleges over its plans for overhauling the NHS.

The 20 Colleges that make up the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges (AoMRC) have been divided over the strength of the stance they should take against the Health and Social Care Bill, currently going through Parliament.

A draft AoMRC statement following a meeting on Tuesday said the Colleges had "significant concerns" and could not support the Bill in its current form.

It said that "unless the proposals are modified, the Academy believes the Bill may widen rather than lessen health inequalities and that unnecessary competition will undermine the provision of high- quality integrated care to patients".

But this statement was never officially released to the media, with the AoMRC saying later there had been subsequent "extensive discussions" with ministers.

It is known that the Royal College of Surgeons and possibly others would not agree to calls for the Bill to be withdrawn.

If the statement had been released, it could have massively increased the pressure on the Government over the plans, which critics say lack clinical support.

Last night, the British Medical Association (BMA), the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) and the AoMRC held a joint meeting to discuss the way forward.

The BMA, the RCN and the Royal College of Midwives (RCM) have already moved to a position of outright opposition to the Bill and called for it to be withdrawn.

The Royal College of GPs has also said the Bill should be withdrawn, with a poll of its members last month finding more than 90% supported the College in proceeding with calls for the Bill to be scrapped.

But following last night's meeting, a joint statement would only say dialogue was continuing.

It said: "A number of Medical Royal Colleges, the BMA, the RCN and organisations representing other clinical professionals met today to discuss their approaches to the Health and Social Care Bill.

"There was a useful exchange of information and an agreement to continue the dialogue."

No further statement is planned at this stage.

Earlier yesterday, the Faculty of Public Health (FPH) announced that it would survey its members in the next few weeks after a motion was passed yesterday calling for the Bill to be withdrawn.

The FPH's position on the Bill - which is to engage with Government to bring about changes to the proposed legislation - has not changed.

However, all FPH members will now be surveyed in the next few weeks for their views, with results published on February 8 or 9.

While the government has agreed to some concessions on the Bill, including a bigger role for hospital staff and nurses in making decisions, it has not been able to allay fears over an increased role for private companies in running the NHS.

As well as allowing more private companies to enter the market, NHS hospitals would be allowed to make up to 49% of their money from private patients.

As a result, most NHS trusts would be able to make at least 25 times more from private patients than they do at present, prompting fears of growing waiting lists for NHS patients - something the government strenuously denies.

A critical report from MPs on the Health Committee earlier this week said the reforms were hindering the ability of the NHS to make the savings it needs to safeguard its future.

But Prime Minister David Cameron defended the reforms on Wednesday, saying they would improve the NHS.

On the ground, the infrastructure needed to implement the Bill is being put in place, with enough GPs having come forward to set up new management groups to cover 97% of the country.

Cameron said there were 4,000 extra NHS doctors, 100,000 more patients treated, and in-patient and outpatient waiting times were lower since the coalition came to power in May 2010.

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The government appears to have escaped a major rebellion from influential Royal Colleges over its plans for overhauling the NHS. The 20 Colleges that make up the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges (...
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18:07 on 27/01/2012
The Tory's hate the NHS always have along with the disabled the sick and the elderly it's the same old story everytime they get into power. They always want to spoil things for others, I blame sandpits myself.
16:09 on 27/01/2012
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14:57 on 27/01/2012
They have been lucky so far and their luck will soon run out and unfortunately it means a new government so I hope the unions realise their mistake over Miliband and replace him quickly and she will have move very fast.
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14:32 on 27/01/2012
Big problems with this bill, surely the start of privatisation of the NHS. What choice will hospitals have perform NHS operation at a cost to the hospital or do a private operation making a profit, simple choice really is it. They will be able to treat 25 times more private patients than they would now? Surely the only ones to suffer would be again the NHS patient.

As for GP's controlling the budgets? Can anyone tell me what training GP's have in budget control? Why train a doctor for 7 years and then use them as a manager rather than a GP?

No matter what happens the cost of the NHS can only rise in the future, due to an ageing population, rising obesity levels which has a knock on for diabetes, cardiac conditions etc, cost of new drugs.
13:44 on 27/01/2012
I have recurring nightmares about the Conservatve quote ''that the NH is safe in or hands'', now that is another dream that will never happen, they are all about upsetting applecarts to make a fast buck for there rich pals, always have done, always will.
13:29 on 27/01/2012
One of the main reasons The NHS came into being was through the support of the BMA however this support gave doctors and surgeon an incredibly generous deal regarding pay and the option to continue to undetake private work whilst being overpaid by the government. This has meant that whilst we have an excellent health service there are a considerable number of doctors and GPs not up to the job and yet protected by The BMA. Nurses are more strictly regulated and punished for incompetence or negligence. The NHS made tin gods out of doctors, they are well paid skilled workers for which I have the greatest admiration unfortunately most of us have at sometime or other experienced an ass in a white coat or behind a GP's desk.
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14:46 on 27/01/2012
But to be perfectly fair to the doctors, tell me any profession that does not have its share of ass's albiet not in a white coat.
16:34 on 27/01/2012
How my professions many are so well and are so well protected, the statistics show that doctors' have incredibly few unheld complaints against them regarding the size of the profession. Anyone who understands statistical analysis would consider this to more likely to be caused by a flawed system rather than high quality of such a high percentage of doctors.

We only see the tip of the iceberg in the newspapers and on TV. Usually the cases are so bad it would be impossible not to find against the doctor. It seems only the worst get punished whilst thousands go on year after year raking in the cash and providing the weakest care. I know of doctors who have shaken their heads in disbelief when they have read the diagnosis of another doctor. It is time doctors stopped covering the arses of other doctors and put their patients first.
16:03 on 27/01/2012
The Parliamentary Health Ombudsman only looked into 2% of complaints - Doctors are above the law! They want to get rid of legal aid & the Health Ombudsman handle and decide all complaints!
There will only be a payout if they can't wriggle out of it & it's visibly physical to the eye!
12:52 on 27/01/2012
Not surprised. The Surgeons are probably the ones who will pocket the most money out of, what is, the biggest part privatisation of the Health Service so far.

They are not going to oppose a very lucrative deal for them.
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There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
12:40 on 27/01/2012
I hear the rustle of brown envelopes being passed around, can anyone else? Lol
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11:50 on 27/01/2012
Personally, I have no faith in the NHS anyway, what is happening today I find utterly unacceptable in anyone's book. There are two sides to this. On the one hand the politicians who are so out of touch with reality, they wouldn't recognise it if they had it pushed under their noses. On the other, levels of staffing, so low that they don't have time to ensure the elderly have food and water. Disgusting wards. I had reason to visit a patient in hospital a short while ago, I couldn't believe what I saw under the bed. Dust so big it was like tumble weed, this was in the cardiac care unit of one of our top university hospitals. Then to my further horror, the dust was the same in the corridor outside the ward. Cleaners are not trained, they are more likely than not, not here legally. So I really think the NHS needs reforming, but don't let us call it reform if they really mean cutting down on spending, because that is what it looks like to me. Reform, but where there will be improvement from those reforms, and a message to politicians, don't try to fool us under the guise of reform, when what you really mean is cutting down.
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There are no lies or deceit on a chess board.
12:45 on 27/01/2012
The way our pensioners are being treated is disgusting. Hundreds died of starvation and neglect in North Stafford NHS Trust a couple of years ago. They said, following WW2, that they would build a country fit for heros!
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13:19 on 27/01/2012
I totally agree with you!
16:07 on 27/01/2012
The worst of the bunch is NHS mental health - they treat people absolutely disgustingly
Drugged up to stop complaining! People still die of poor care in these institutions, but it's swept under the carpet!
12:49 on 27/01/2012
Hope you made a complaint Southern Law Girl. If people accept what they see and just talk about it in these types of forums its no wonder they don't change. You also shouldn't criticise the whole of the NHS by one hospital. There are always bad eggs around and you need to ensure you make people understand that they are responsible for that unit.

The NHS is one of the biggest organisations in the world. I think it is currently the 8th biggest employer in the world - was the 3rd before the Tories got in. Cuts have an effect you know.
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13:18 on 27/01/2012
Put simply, I speak as I find! It is sad, I have witnessed in each and every hospital I have had reason to visit, they have been below an acceptable standard, of course you judge of your own experiences and from the experiences of those you know, the general picture is not good from my perspective. Regarding your comments on criticising the whole of the NHS, I am sure there are excellent pockets, like the top London hospitals and a few local. Yes you are right about complaining, I certainly did that alright, I made complaint to the head of that hospital and the local MP of that area.
Whether things improved I have no idea because the hospital is about 100 miles from where I live. Regarding the cuts, what I witnessed was during the Labour Government's time. Size of organisation and number employed makes little difference to whether they are not up to speed standardwise.
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11:32 on 27/01/2012
I really hate Dave cameron...
11:14 on 27/01/2012
Why do we, the voters in this country allow this to happen
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12:26 on 27/01/2012
Because for decades now we have voted for the same old same old. We listen to the promises/lies, we look forward to the tax relief in the budget when elections are due. We generally vote on the monkey see monkey do principle. How many people cast their vote without thinking about it at all? How many of us ask their prospective MP when they call round to ask/beg for our vote, ask them about things that are important to us, What do you feel about Capital pinishment? What is your stance on mass immigration? Are you in favour of giving up ever more power to Europe? Do you think the people should have a say in a referendum? etc. etc. My parents used to agree to vote for all of them when they came round just to get rid of them because Corrie was on or Dad was watching snooker. That is why this has been allowed to happen. Next time they come round asking.begging for a Lib/Lab/Con vote. ask them about this and anything else of importance to us the voter, and make it quite clear that if we do not like the answers, they don't get our vote. that way they will soon fall into line and start representing us rather than dictating to us.
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11:01 on 27/01/2012
The NHS service should be ashamed of themselves for witting off huge foreigners health bills , people come to this country and milk our NHS funds getting free health care they have not paid into , while people who have to wait for operations etc, some times you have to wait days to get to see your GP then weeks when they refer you . I waited 7 months to get to see a consultant and I paid my NI for over 45 years
11:33 on 27/01/2012
Foreigners are not entitled to free healthcare unless they are members of the European Union and we have reciprocal rights in their countries Other foreign nationals may receive emergency care which is recovered from their insurance.
11:37 on 27/01/2012
The NHS is well passed its sell by date. Yet again another outrage has been uncovered this time by SKY News. In a survey of 100 hospitals discrepancies have been uncovered in the manner by which drugs are managed by hospital staff, mainly nurses. For example: out of date drugs, missing drugs, faulty locks on drug cabinets and cabinet doors held together with elastic bands. Medication not in cabinets and being left about for anyone to handle or steal. Strangers having access to drugs.

In all SKY News contacted 166 NHS Trusts. They found 34 with security concerns 10 where no audits had been done and 60 with no serious problems but with inadequacies. Even the most died in the wool socialist must surely realise that the NHS is in need of reform. For gods sake take your heads out of the sand and tell the NHS that enough is enough. It’s time for change. They are killing people
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Allyb999
14:54 on 27/01/2012
Tory lets get rid of the NHS and then you can take the blame for killing people.

Do you think the reform being offered will cure all in the NHS? In reality the rich will jump the queue's whilst the NHS patients suffer.

Define the parameters Sky News used for this so call survey? The results are only as good as the questions asked. If Sky News found all was well absolutely nothing would be said in the press.
10:25 on 27/01/2012
Very peculiar that there are no posts on this subject! Im sure there are lots of professionals with an opinion on this subject. Maybe the posts are being prevented from showing as Im sure there are a lot of frustrated and angry nurses out there, me being one of them.
09:27 on 27/01/2012
So: they're all agreed they don't like the bill. They all oppose it. They just don't agree on the tactics to use.

As a result the government "escaped a major rebellion".

Divide and Conquer in action! As long as the People's Front of Judea are arguing with the Judean People's Front, the Romans will carry on doing whatever they want.
11:24 on 27/01/2012
Very Funny (also true and sad)

F'n'F'd