Alex Salmond Says UK 'Would Be Maintained' After Independence Because Of The Queen

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PA/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 29/01/2012 11:10 Updated: 29/01/2012 11:10

Alex Salmond has rejected suggestions that voters should be asked in the referendum on Scottish independence if they want to leave the United Kingdom.

The Scottish First Minister said introducing the UK into the question would "confuse the issue" because the country would retain the Queen as head of state after breaking the political union.

Some critics have argued that his preferred question - Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country? - is skewed in favour of securing a positive response.

But Mr Salmond insists it is clear and decisive, and is supported by people including electoral expert Matt Qvortrup of Cranfield University.

Talks between the governments in London and Edinburgh due to take place last week were postponed after Scottish Secretary Michael Moore caught chicken pox. There are several areas of controversy, including whether or not 16 and 17 year-old Scots should be able to vote. The SNP privately believe that giving these teenagers a vote could tip the result in their favour.

Mr Salmond responded to suggestions on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show that voters should be asked if they want to leave the UK instead.

The First Minister said: "It is SNP policy to have the Queen as our head of state.

"That union, that United Kingdom if you like, would be maintained after Scottish political independence.

"I think that's a real stumbling block about putting forward a question of the United Kingdom."

Asked if that meant Scotland could still be regarded as being in the UK after independence, Mr Salmond said: "I don't think it's a very good idea to confuse the issue by talking about united kingdoms when what we're talking about is political independence."

The Scottish and English crowns were united in 1603 by James VI of Scotland. Political union followed in 1707.

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08:01 PM on 07/18/2012
When Scotland get to vote then i guess they will need an Army,Navy and Air force,in a recent house of lords debate this was talked about and how much it will cost,how they plan to do it also where the bases will be,yes you have oil (and some new fields have been found) yes you have gas but like they have found out in the UAE its lifespan is not as long as they first thought.
How the people vote is up to them but remeber if you leave you may not be able to get back,also there is the issue of being in the EU should you want to be.
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jfjoubert
Le pire n'est pas toujours certain.
03:51 PM on 07/18/2012
So England is still trying to write its own referendum question?
From the people who make up the tax forms?? Pathetic.
09:28 AM on 02/15/2012
So we have half a million SNP voters telling the rest of the UK what to do,,,so over sixty million British people are being ruled by half a million SNP supporters ???

Tail wags dog once again !
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jfjoubert
Le pire n'est pas toujours certain.
03:52 PM on 07/18/2012
Well that's what being in a union is all about. You knew that right?
10:35 PM on 02/11/2012
Oh no! We want rid of you! lots of love England xx
12:39 AM on 02/01/2012
United Kingdom. Get it?
Scotland and England after the Treaty of Union is dissolved will still share the same constitutional monarch, there are no plans or suggestions that Queen Elizabeth should no longer remain Queen of Scots, hence the wording should not refer to the United Kingdom, that would in effect be asking: do you agree you wish to remove the Queen from her role as Scottish Head of State?
10:50 PM on 02/14/2012
It would be stolen if it was Scotland's oil in the first place......last time I looked Scotalnd was part of Britain but don't get too upset, that oil is going to run out one day...............then what?
09:25 AM on 02/15/2012
Scottish North Sea ?????

You Mean British North Sea or is Scotland not part of Britain ??
08:35 AM on 01/31/2012
If Scotland gains independance then it will no longer be a part of the Union. The wording Salmond wants is no different to a vote to leave the Union.

It is not up to Salmond though to dictate that wording. It is up to all Scots how the question should be phrased and that includes those Scots opposed to independance. Scotland must obtain a consensus on that wording and Salmond must not railroad through his own preferred option.if he wants everyone to accept the result.

Introducing the Queen into the argument over the wording is immaterial since she will remain as head of state in Scotland at the moment that Scotland gains independance. Whether or not she remains as head of state afterwards is a separate question that Scotland must address once Scotland is independant. It has nothing to do with the Union question.
07:52 AM on 01/31/2012
Just what is Salmond after? Is it some sort of half independance where Scotland can still claim any benefits that belonging to the UK has to offer?..........or is he simply wanting to get his hands on the purse strings? I think the later. If he wants an independant Scotland, then take it fully and go it alone with the blessing of most of those in England.
09:24 PM on 02/14/2012
Bit hard of thinking, are you?
Salmond is only the First Minister of the present Scottish Parliament. He alone does not make the policy of that Scottish Parliament. A parliament that is a great deal more democratic than Westminster. He is also the leader of the Scottish National Party and that too is a great deal more democratic than any of the Wastemonster political parties. So your first question is nonesense. The question should be what do the people of Scotland want. That is what the Scottish Goverenment are going to hold a referendum to find out. Simples!
So the matter is under a consultation between the Scottish Goverenment & the People of Scotland. The SNP have stated their choice as a straight question of do you want an independent Scotland Yes or No and they are allowing a reasonable time for all concerned to debate and ask questions until the Referendum is held. Any other question is NOT up to the SNP but for others to define and ask to be put on the paper.

Does that answer your question?
10:53 PM on 02/14/2012
You misunderstand.........I have no problem with Scotland going it alone, hell, my grandfather was born in Fife and he died at Galipoli in WW1 when he was blown to bits but he died for Britain. It's that man Salmond I wouldn't trust.
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wakyracir
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04:27 AM on 01/31/2012
Scotland and England were united kingdoms for 100 years before political union. There's nothing strange about Salmond's proposal.
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12:28 PM on 01/30/2012
"...Alex Salmond has rejected suggestions that voters should be asked in the referendum on Scottish independence if they want to leave the United Kingdom....".

Of course he would. Anything to fool the simple-minded and improve his chances.

Still, let's hope that the Electoral Commission puts him right on this one as nobody gains from a rigged election.
10:29 PM on 01/30/2012
I agree,,,another little tactic the wee Salmond fellow is using...Wool over eyes.
10:18 PM on 02/14/2012
Are you serious? The Proposed question for the referendum paper couldn't be simpler.
It just asks Do you want Scotland to be independent - YES or NO?

So just how hard is that to understand, (present company excepted it seems).
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11:33 PM on 01/30/2012
"Anything to fool the simple-min­ded and improve his chances."

Look at len, insulting a whole nation of people. There's a word for that, len. This is none of your business, len, you don't live in Scotland and neither are you registered to vote here. None of your business.

"the Electoral Commission"

Is not to be trusted and it's highly unlikely it will be in charge of the vote. We need an impartial organisation for that.

"nobody gains from a rigged election."

Exactly, that's why the Electoral Commission cannot be allowed to supervise the referendum.
08:38 AM on 01/31/2012
On what evidence do you base your comments on the Electoral Commission?
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03:02 PM on 01/31/2012
Shame on you for insulting the Scottish people, BJ.

You need to understand that is the duty of all UK citizens (and their government) to ensure that the good Scottish people are aware of what the referendum really means: separation from the UK.

El Presidente is wriggling like a worm on a hook when he claims "...introducing the UK into the question would 'confuse the issue'...". He knows that to spell it out so that everyone in Scotland really understands the prime issue will lose him votes.

Who was it who wrote "you can't fool all of the people all of the time"?

The Electoral Commission will see to that, BJ.
11:00 AM on 01/30/2012
and difficult to take myself seriously when I can't even spell Broncohardman's name!
10:56 AM on 01/30/2012
It is difficult to take Bronchohardman seriously when he has not even learned how to use an apostrophe.
12:19 PM on 01/30/2012
mikest1999.
No one is going to take you seriously, when you cannot even get your overall spelling right, for it's Broncohardman, and NOT Bronchohardman, FOOL.
12:49 PM on 01/30/2012
Please see my subsequent message. I beat you to the punch with my apology, Sorry.
12:54 PM on 01/30/2012
But: Government's, head's, deal's, Dominion's, Doe's, Parliament's.....puhleese!
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08:13 AM on 01/30/2012
This is quite interesting. Article after article about Scottish "independence", and hundreds of comments. Nary a peep about dividing the national debt, handing off to Scotland their share.
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10:13 AM on 01/30/2012
That would, of course, be a part of the negotiated process. Nobody in their right mind thinks otherwise.
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Molly D
10:30 AM on 01/30/2012
Ok. Because that stopped Quebec from independence. I mean, when it got back to the separatists what their separate sovereign debt's credit rating would be.
09:54 PM on 02/14/2012
Perhaps you should be reading more informed sources?
I'll give you a few thoughts on that National debt, shall I?
First, when ONLY Scotland & England signed The Treaty Of Union, England brought to that proposed Union a massive National Debt - they had fought wars with several European nations over, "The English Navigational Acts". Although Scotland were, "Broke", they did not have any national debt. This must be considered in post independence negotiations. Also consider this, for 5 of the last 6 years the GERS, (Governmebt Excise & Revenue Scotland), figures show that Scotland were in fiscal surplus. In those same years the UK as a whole has racked up a massive national debt of £3 trillion and are thus in fiscal deficit. Now that means Scotland has been subsidising the UK in those 5 years. So no country in Fiscal deficit can be subsidising anyone else. Note: Fiscal deficit means that the country concerned is unable to collect enough tax and revenue to pay for her needs and has borrowed cash to make up the difference. So just who is the country that racked up the national debt?
07:44 AM on 01/30/2012
We are a nation of 5 million, probably half of them are either kids or people unemployed, so the other half will be taxed to death to pay for everything. And what happens when Mr. Salmond retires... as the rest of the clowns in Hollyrood don't know if it's a haircut or a s--- they need.
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08:21 AM on 01/30/2012
By describing the rest of the MSP's as 'clowns' I assume you are saying John Swinney is less talented as the Finance Minister than George Osbourne is as the UK Chancellor ?. We have heard all this 'taxed to death' garbage before the SNP came to power, it didnt happen, in fact the Council tax has been frozen for years.
06:43 AM on 01/31/2012
Not saying Swinney is less talented than Osbourne but think back to where the SNP were when he was their leader, the SNP may be in power, but we are still in the union, let's see what happens if we get independance. Poll tax freeze, bridge tolls scrapped, free prescriptions and few other things the SNP done were fine, but it still does not alter the fact we have no industries apart from whisky and a bit of oil which has rapidly declined over the years.And to those who asked...I don't vote labour
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04:40 AM on 01/30/2012
There have been a few polls that actually quote that more English people are interested in the Scots getting there independence than the actual jocks themselves, I personally have no problems with our northern cousins, but I do object that southerners have to pay for their kids to go to university and also pay prescription charges ( why is that ? ), we also appear to have our fair share of jock MP's, they can have Brown back anytime they want.
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BeeJayCeee
I still loathe Thatcher
04:55 AM on 01/30/2012
"than the actual jocks"

Oh look, a bigot. Come up here and call me a "jock" to my face. See how you fare.

" I personally have no problems with our northern cousins"

Liar, you're an anti-Scottish bigot.

"but I do object that southerner­s have to pay for their kids to go to university and also pay prescripti­on charges"

More lies. Scots subsidise the UK; we pay for *your* children to go to university and for *your* prescriptions. Just as we do all your other public services.

"we also appear to have our fair share of jock MP's, they can have Brown back anytime they want"

Vile, nasty, racist bigot.
10:35 PM on 01/30/2012
The biggest bigot on Huffington calls another member a bigot....BeeJayCeee you are a disgrace to your position and should be ashamed of your bullying tactics.
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novelist2000
veritas non olet
05:05 AM on 01/30/2012
Maybe the university education is paid from the oil revenue? Do they have a higher percentage of university students? Help, then they'd be more intelligent or better educated.

A union, whether on the island or in continental Europe is about being a team, and that's where the problem is. Britain wants special conditions in Europe, London wants oil revenue from Scotland but not pay ............. Would be nice to NOT send Brown back because if Scotland does take that step, Brown's influence and the influence that influences Brown is the last thing Scotland needs. The same goes for the Blairs.