Defeat For Government In Lords On NHS Health And Social Care Bill

Defeat Lords Nhs

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 8/02/2012 16:58 Updated: 8/02/2012 18:11

The Government suffered a defeat in the House of Lords on its controversial NHS reforms on Wednesday afternoon, when peers voted by 244 to 240, majority four, to emphasise the importance of mental health.

The amendment passed on Wednesday afternoon has taken many people by surprise - and indicates the Lords may give Andrew Lansley a more difficult time than previously thought.

The vote calls for mental health to be placed on an equal footing as physical health. The charity MIND were one of those who called for the amendment to be tabled.

Louise Kirsh, the parliamentary manager for MIND, was told HuffPost UK she was delighted at the news.

"When the government launched its mental health strategy last year, they talked about wanting to create parity of esteem between physical and mental health services," she told Huffpost UK. "We've been the poor sister, never had as much money pumped into mental health. We set about drafting this amendment, which will make the government put its money where its mouth is.

"There are quite a few people in the Lords who know the situation we're in. We're facing cuts because fewer people are prepared to jump up and defend mental health services. It has come as a bit of a surprise, but we're delighted."

Labour had been playing down their expectations for defeating the government in the Lords on Wednesday, expecting most of the controversial amendments to the Health and Social Care Bill to be tabled later this month. So this defeat came as something of a surprise.

Health secretary Andrew Lansley is under renewed pressure from Labour to drop the Bill, and David Cameron faced a rough ride in PMQs on Wednesday lunchtime. He was challenged repeatedly by Ed Miliband about the government's handling of the NHS, and in turn Cameron offered relatively guarded support for Lansley.

On Tuesday after a Number 10 source was quoted in the Times saying the prime minister wanted to see Lansley "taken out and shot", a Downing Street spokeswoman insisted the health secretary continued to enjoy David Cameron's "full support", despite mounting criticisms of his planned NHS reforms and press speculation about his future in the Cabinet.

The majority of health professionals oppose the bill. On Wednesday morning representatives from the Royal College of Nursing, BMA, Royal College of Midwives and Chartered Society of Physiotherapy wrote to the Guardian calling for the bill to be dropped.

The Lords have further votes on Wednesday evening including amendments on the role of the Secretary of State for Health in the new system being proposed.

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03:56 PM on 02/09/2012
It appears that those who sit in the House of Lords are old people living in the past. We are a country trying to go forward into an unknown future. How can we progress when the older Polititions cant or will not go forward with us. Those in the House of Lords have had their day, lets have ours and prove that any changes made can be for the better, and for a brighter future.
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mokgee
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03:37 PM on 02/09/2012
Just go in when most of them are sleeping, which is most of the time..This rubbish goes out world wide, we have become the laughing stock of the world..Especially when the fools in Wetminster, give advice and warnings to other despot nations on how to govern their countries..They can't even sort their own country out, the 25 th state of Europe.....the dustbin of Europe, which we all contribute highly for....
02:20 PM on 02/09/2012
If cancer was diagnosed and treated at the same stage as mental illness, the death rates would soar. In Britain treatment for the mentally ill is; pill based, inadequate, underfunded, under staffed and with very little long term support for recovering patients. This is particularly true for men. There is no acceptance of difference and an assumption that they are treating the illness therefore there is no requirement to understand or accommodate the differing gender attitudes towards mental illness. Would it be acceptable in other fields of medicine, Would we allow a Brain surgeon to operate with a meat cleaver.
01:50 PM on 02/09/2012
I see a lot of comments here.. What I would like to know is , how many of you are prepared to stop moaning and take some action...Join 38degrees, we are at least trying to make a difference.. The more people who join the more it will show a statement to the Government, at how pissed off, we Brits are, at the way this country is heading...It's no good just moaning,we need,to act..
03:55 PM on 02/09/2012
I absolutely agree with you. The more of us who sign up and join 38degrees the better.
04:33 PM on 02/09/2012
Where do we sign???
06:06 PM on 02/09/2012
Hi Mr Pedro.. Just google 38Degrees,you can then go into their website sign up and start campainging.. It's free to sign up,..but you can if you wish make donations to the causes.(Purely voluntary) It is not just the NHS we are fighting to save..we petition are MP's re other matters of concern to us..
12:50 PM on 02/09/2012
the nhs is dire need of a good shake up.. take the case of a drunk yobo on a friday or saturday who end up in a&e theu clogging up bad space that are required for those who are realy ill .if they can afford to get pisseeeed at the week- end then they can certanly afford to be treated for their ill's. this is one line the govermante of today can focus their attention on
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Norman Mitchison
11:21 AM on 02/09/2012
Over 400 Lords in the House? Unprecedented. Warmer than staying at home probably.
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nicholspongo
10:10 AM on 02/09/2012
I wonder how many government officials will find their way on to the directors boards of these private healthcare providers? Or am I being cynical????
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SATCHMAN99
09:39 AM on 02/09/2012
Good on the lords. let's see how long it take Cameron to over turn it. He will get his way like he did with the benefits reform.
09:28 AM on 02/09/2012
Stop calling it REFORM and call it what it is DESTRUCTION.
07:37 AM on 02/09/2012
On Tuesday after a Number 10 source was quoted in the Times saying the prime minister wanted to see Lansley "taken out and shot", - perhaps someone else should be taken out aswell
This bill will be the ruin of this country's democratic processes unless and until the lib/dems, most of the Lords and all of the conservative back benchers come to thier senses.
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01:33 AM on 02/09/2012
How can you people over there allow a bunch of unelected rich people overturn the Commons? Just like here in the States, the Lords are only looking out for their own best interests because they all probably have some kind of financial stake involved.
02:17 AM on 02/09/2012
as opposed to the elected rich people who take and take and take from the british people and give less and less and less back while increasingly give give give to foreign countries and companies and expect to keep doing this for years to come? most MP's have their own interests at heart, America is as guilty as anywhere else in regards to politicians making sure themselves and their friends are well taken care of, at least the Lords have decided to try and help do right by the british people in regards to trying to slow down the wanton abuse of power by the parliament and the wanton cuts and expenditures in the wrong places
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04:38 AM on 02/09/2012
If i may say, i think you're missing the point about the Lords. In a way, i'm amazed i'm saying this but the Lords are actually protecting the likes of working class people like me. It was a big Old Boys club but things have changed. The Lords are now our last bastion of common sense in this tiny island. We have a goverment in power that is intent on privatising everything. As an American , you will no doubt agree with this but we don't. Its our way of living.
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MrAnon
12:02 AM on 02/09/2012
There are those who would call the Lords "undemocratic", "unelected" etc and accuse them of trying to overturn the wishes of the elected chamber but in this case it is plain as mud that what the Lords did was absolutely right. Any physician will confirm that illness is not limited to the physical and that mental illness is a real illness in its own right which sadly may go undetected for many people. May this Bill never become law unless the Lords amendment is carried by the Commons.
09:36 PM on 02/08/2012
The deciscions have already been made and put into effect, before parliament can decide which way to go.
Contempt of parliament?
I think so.
Who cares?
I am just a taxpayer who wants my mp to have a say.
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sean beamer
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04:00 AM on 02/09/2012
just a tax payer...? you know what they say in the us
They came for my neighbour ..i didnt say anything
they came for my brother i didnt say anything
NOW I hear they are on their way to get me !!
09:10 PM on 02/09/2012
a version of Pastor neilmullers speech.

'First they came for the Jews........And then they came for me.'.
09:24 PM on 02/08/2012
All this talk about the NHS reforms , do the public not realise that this has already started with the takeover of Hinchinbrook NHS hospital by the foreign private health care company 'Circle' ??
It seems all the political blustering is a smoke screen for the agenda of privatisation of the NHS.
01:30 PM on 02/09/2012
i have seen that what will happen when this company circle go bankrupt it will be the taxpayer
footing the bill they will undertake the easy cases like cureable cancer anything like kidney dialysis what my husband be starting soon will be thrown to the back of the queue, mind you i heard a case somewhere where the dialysis units are privatised and what happened was
they cut the opening hours.
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Mitchell Mullen
07:28 PM on 02/08/2012
Mind calls for tabling of NHS bill in House of Lords: