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Girls Raped By Their Own Gang Members To Receive Victims Fund

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PA/Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 10/02/2012 08:23 Updated: 10/02/2012 08:23

A million pound fund has been appointed to help girl gang members who are often raped by men in their gang, the government has announced

A £1.2 million fund has been apportioned to help rape victims the Home Office said.

A network of 13 Young People's Advocates, which will work in areas most affected by gangs, will provide direct support to young people who have been victims of sexual violence or exploitation or are at risk of becoming victims.

Detective Allen Davis, of the Metropolitan Police, who was leading one of the sessions at Lilian Baylis Technology School in Kennington, said: "Girls need to know they are used and abused within gangs, that they are passed and around and are second class citizens.

"Ultimately girls are disposable, it's the boys that gain status and respect by putting in work and that means committing crime and hurting people. Girls get status in this world by who they have sex with and it makes them very vulnerable, the boys have the power to use and abuse them."

Mr Davis added: "We talk about the idea that girls are setting up other boys to be hurt and other girls to be raped, that the girls are there to conceal the drugs and the guns. They are there unfortunately to be used for the sexual pleasure of gang members."

Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone yesterday visited the south-west London school where pupils were learning about gangs and sexual violence.

Speaking afterwards, Ms Featherstone said: "It's quite clear that everyone would be entirely shocked by the level of violence girls and young women have to experience if they get involved with gangs and it has been a very hidden issue.

"The fund for advocates is about putting in specialised, expert, sensitive support to work with these young girls so they can be helped.

"They will form a network across the country to share information and best practice to make inroads into such a horrific issue."

In the school session, specialist youth workers and serving and retired police officers from the Growing Against Gangs and Violence project discussed what being in a gang is like and how it can involve rape and violence.

The project, which has received £30,000 from the Home Office, aims to raise awareness and change attitudes to gangs.

A mixed group of year 10 pupils, aged between 14 and 15, discussed what a gang is, what it means to be in one and how it can lead to rape.

The group was told girls are at the bottom of the hierarchy in a gang environment.

The group then divided by gender, with the girls discussing why females may want to join a gang or go out with a gang member and how gangs use young girls.

Youth workers also warned the teenagers about what can happen if they become involved in gangs and criminal activity.

In the boys session they learnt about what happens if they are convicted of rape and what prison is like.

Fontane Ly, 15, said: "I found the session useful. I live in Lambeth and I know it's dangerous so it's nice to know what help I can get.
"Most girls think nothing will happen to them."

She added: "I know quite a lot of people in quite a lot of gangs but I don't associate with them because I know what could happen and the consequences."

Soneil Gones, 15, said the session made him realise how awful prison is.

"It made you wonder why girls want to be with these kind of people, why they want attention from those kind of people.

"We learnt you can get a life sentence for rape and how prison removes any dignity you have."

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A million pound fund has been appointed to help girl gang members who are often raped by men in their gang, the government has announced A £1.2 million fund has been apportioned to help rape vict...
A million pound fund has been appointed to help girl gang members who are often raped by men in their gang, the government has announced A £1.2 million fund has been apportioned to help rape vict...
 
 
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20:58 on 11/02/2012
what bout money for the real innocent girls the gangs rape the passer by for instant are they going to get some money not likey police cant even get a conviction in most cases
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12:57 on 12/02/2012
That's why they have this initiative to try to prevent girls being raped in the first place.
01:09 on 17/02/2012
Why do all you ppl nowadays only ever care about bloody money, this isn't sue a criminal day, it's money to pay support services for these girls, not so you can sue for damages then splash out on a new handbag and pair of designer shoes. Greed gets you no where.
14:54 on 10/02/2012
I thought the government was cutting services because there's no money in the pot!
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14:04 on 10/02/2012
I'm guessing most of the people posting on here have missed the bit where it says the money is not going to be given to the rape victims, it is to be spent on advocates who will support victims and help prevent other girls becoming victims.

But hey, don't let little things like facts get in your way.
14:35 on 10/02/2012
Indeed. Ever feel like you're one voice of reason trying to calm a baying mob?
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14:58 on 10/02/2012
I'd fan you again if I hadn't already.
01:00 on 11/02/2012
Money won't be given to them from the schemes no, BUT money WILL come from the no win no fee culture we live in! A successful rape claim, even if false, can bring the victim in a huge wad of cash in compensation. If this scheme doesn't remember that, it will fail on so many levels. It's sad, because it will give gangs another tool to use against rival gangs. Even if money wasn't a factor, a false rape claim, or even a bunch of them aimed at male members of rival gangs will certainly be a factor. If a girl is raped by a member of her gang, her gang could very easilly threaten and intimidate her into transfering the claim onto a boy from a rival gang if no DNA evidence could be gathered. The rules for support from these schemes should mean the girl having to move areas into a refuge many miles from where her gang is active, and agree to sign a form to say she will NOT associate with gangs or gang related activities, otherwise her place on the scheme will be voided. Gang culture needs tackling at it's very roots, the places where it starts.Absent fathers are also to blame, as kids often turn to gangs as a form of family when their home lives have become unstable or divided. It's the much wider social problems that are at the roots of gang culture, not poverty so much, but the family structure.
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13:03 on 12/02/2012
This initiative is tackling an aspect of gang culture at its roots. And I'm not sure how familiar you are with the statistics about rape in the UK, but it's an incredibly difficult crime to prove. Even with DNA evidence, only a tiny percentage of rapes ever get to court, so false claims about it would be an extremely ineffective 'tool'.
13:16 on 10/02/2012
While I canot imagine the horror of a girl or woman being raped at all, I just am not able to imagine the sheer barbarity of a gang raping. Having said that, I think more hould be done to stop them being raped in the first place. prison for a convicted rapist should be a much harsher regime than it at present is. never mind the do gooders, and the human rights apologists. There is no possibility of convicting th ewrong one, since Forensic testing and DNA will clearly show who is responsible. There is th edanger of compensation being abused, especially among gangs. If the government is serious about it, then when convicted make prison so distasteful that the last thing they want to do, is chance going back.
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14:07 on 10/02/2012
Read the feature, this is not compensation.
08:34 on 11/02/2012
I have read the editorial, you should read my reply. It said and I quote ' there is the danger (of compensation) being abused. besides that, can you explain how givingmoney to someone will somehow ease the trauma and terror of having been attacked in this way? Also how can giving money for whatever reason be described as anything other than compensation.
01:11 on 17/02/2012
Solve the rape problems with one short swift snip, cut the bloody things off they won't do it again.
12:45 on 10/02/2012
More taxpayers money wasted. If a girl joins a gang then she is responsible for her actions/safety. It is time everyone took responsibility for their own lives and stopped expecting someone else to bail them out.
01:13 on 17/02/2012
I don't think you would be so harsh if you had a 10yr old nieve daughter dragged into a gang enviroment, believing they were her friends. Until they groomed and raped her. When does a young girl know the difference between a harmless group of friends and gang culture?
12:19 on 10/02/2012
If girls voluntarily join these gangs then why waste taxpayers money on them whilst ignoring genuine rape victims?
This may result in an increase of gang members as more of these type of girls will join gangs for the payments of taxpayers money.
Also, more young men will join gangs owing to the increased availability of girls voluntarily joining gangs to be raped.
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14:09 on 10/02/2012
Severus,
apart from the fact this money is not compensation (try actually reading the article) what kind of person really think girls would get raped for money?
01:15 on 17/02/2012
I am sure that, a young girl does not wake up one morning and say to herself, I know I will join a gang and get raped. Some may believe they are among a group of friends. These sort of compulsive groomers often do not show their true colours and appear to offer friendly protection for the girls.
13:30 on 17/02/2012
Get real, DAN11984, Mr Do-gooder.
They VOLUNTARILY join the gangs and they know exactly what happens in the gangs.
These gang members, male or female, are vicious and have absolutely no feelings for their victims. In fact, the females are sometimes more vicious than the males they egg on.
You obviously have never been attacked or even threatened by any of these gang members in your presumably posh surrounding suburbia.
12:18 on 10/02/2012
No mention of the 47 muslim paedophile gang members accused of raping and drugging young white girls up in Liverpool court this week. This gang is one of a long list of mainly Pakistani muslims highlighted by Nick Griffin in 2004 which nearly cost him his freedom for campaigning against them. Why is it the government and politally motivated media ignore this sick crime against our children and its only the British National Party doing something about. The UAF where outside court supporting these perverts by protesting against the BNP for making people aware of whats happening.
13:39 on 10/02/2012
Thank you very much for highlighting this horror to us, which I was totally unaware of, like so many other people. This should have got headlines.
13:42 on 10/02/2012
Like so many of the public, I was totally unaware of this, until you highlighted it here. I was sickened by this and am wondering why did this not makes headlines in the news? Totally baffling.
12:13 on 10/02/2012
If the silly moos get involved in gangs, then thats their problem, not the tax payers. Someone needs to tell them ''tough luck, you brought it on yourself''. But of course, no one will. Heaven forbid that people should be told to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
12:03 on 10/02/2012
Gang rape is a problem but what has got to be remembered is that the girls volunteer to join the gang for the most part and if they are stupid enough to think that the males who ill treat other people will treat them well they must not have a brain cell in their tiny minds. Do not waste money on advocates. Gangs are not nice social clubs where good is done but nasy groups of thugs, hang around with thugs expect to be mistreated. Grow up girls put yourselves on a pedestal so high these no good low life caanot reach you. Males in gangs if the only way you can have sex is by rape you have nothing to offer anyone.
01:20 on 17/02/2012
As I keep saying we are talking about girls caught up in this maybe from the age of 10 you pompus fools
11:21 on 10/02/2012
Girls can be worse, and are better at manipulating social situations. I used to work with deaf children and once saw a seemingly angelic 8-year old girl working on an 11-year old boy (who had a reputation for causing trouble) into behaving aggressively, just for fun and knowing that the adults were unlikely to spot what she was doing. Talking to the boy I found him gentle and intelligent, just frustrated at being unable to communicate with people. OK, nothing to do with gangs, but an interesting insight into our ideas of 'troublesome' boys and 'innocent' girls. How many times have we seen males fighting and getting into trouble while the female instigators shout encouragement from the sidelines and get away with it?
12:05 on 10/02/2012
Medlas I do not think being deaf had anything to do with it. I have seen it in all sorts of cases girls leading the boy on and then the boy getting into trouble. Time to take stock of what both are up to girls stop egging on and boys stop being so easliy led.
13:40 on 10/02/2012
You have a very good point. Some adults have a huge blind spot for angelic looking children and its sad to see some who are little more than toddlers manipulate often elderly adults.
I have seen people on here say "well children cant lie" The other myth is children are born angels and growing up corrupts them. There do seem to be a lot more female criminals now but they do often seem to get away with it.
10:54 on 10/02/2012
More taxpayers cash to be spent on a lost cause. Eventually these kids who join gangs may learn the consequences of their actions. But I doubt it!
11:59 on 10/02/2012
You think treating victims of rape is a waste of taxpayers money? So if such a violation occured upon yourself you wouldn't feel the need to waste taxpayers money by claiming any victim's compensation?
13:43 on 10/02/2012
I think the point Alan and most people were making is these girls join these gangs knowing the sort of people and practices involved. . So why is an Extra and special fund being set up just for them. If you or a woman on her way home or any none gang member was raped they would get NOTHING from this fund.
00:50 on 11/02/2012
My point being that a compensaton fund such as this will do very little to prevent the apparent violence against female gang members. The gang culture will not suddenly evaporate because of it. In that respect it is a waste of taxpayers money! School children should simply be warned of the risks, that's all you can do.

And yes, I would not expect to be offered compensation by the taxpayer. It would be nobodies fault but the perpetrator's!
01:24 on 17/02/2012
wake up, they preyon young girls, we are not talking 14/15/16 up etc. Maybe girls as young as 10. Children, not teens
01:42 on 17/02/2012
Did you not read my comments?
01:45 on 17/02/2012
And by the way, if you're talking of age groups, read the report!
10:41 on 10/02/2012
the girls round my way think its BIG to be in a gang they dont car that there MEN go and hurt and rob people but they want compensation when sumthing happens to them what bout the victiums your men are robbing

all just as bad as each other girls and boys in gangs
15:02 on 10/02/2012
Agree totally..it's all fun and games watching others suffer but the crying soon starts if they get a bit of the pain and misery they hand out dealt back to them.
01:24 on 17/02/2012
Oh fu
01:25 on 17/02/2012
It's not compensation, it's to go to workers to provide support.
10:39 on 10/02/2012
To finish, this is gonna give the gang wars another weapon, false fape accusations against male members of rival gangs. I see a big influx of rape claims when this scheme really kicks off. Why not put the money into stopping gang culture in the first place, then all the little side problems like violence and rape wouldn't ever come to pass would they. It starts in schools, so hit schools with new education programs. Schools and colleges, anywhere where young people meet each other, youth clubs, even parks and bus shelters, start in those places and you wouldn't find so many people becoming 'victims' would you.
13:47 on 10/02/2012
Very good point about how this could encourage false claims just for the cash. In fact I could see a situation where a girl is or claims to be raped by a gang member who is now serving time or off the scene. She gets compensation and then gives it to him. If he is inside for say 3 years already another 3 years running concurently plus a wad of cash is a bonus for him.
14:31 on 10/02/2012
"Very good point about how this could encourage false claims just for the cash."

Where does the article state that the victims are going to receive any cash? It's states that the money is there to help victims of rape. Help costs money. Throwing money at a victim of rape does not prevent further rapes or ease a victim's suffering.

"She gets compensati­on and then gives it to him. If he is inside for say 3 years already another 3 years running concurentl­y plus a wad of cash is a bonus for him."

So cynical that it makes this hardened cynic choke.
00:35 on 11/02/2012
These are very possible outcomes. These girls are as much criminals as their boy counterparts. As soon as you start giving criminals he idea they can play the victim, they will, and the results will be far from what they want to acheive here.
10:35 on 10/02/2012
Also it is NOT completly true that girls are always at the bottom of a gang structure. I have come up against many girls in my lifetime who were quite clearly top of the food chain. Not that they bother me though, I know how to have a dust up if needs be :)
10:29 on 10/02/2012
I would usually care, but if you're stupid enough to hang out with criminals, then you should be ready to commit crimes and have them commited against you. If you try and take my stuff girlie I won't care how many times your boyfriend wouldn't stop when you said you were tired, I'm still going to do my uttermost to kick the cr*p out of you, no matter what 'tools' you may have against me.
11:56 on 10/02/2012
No one deserves to be raped, no matter how stupid you consider them to be. Perhaps naive would be a better description for these young girls. Your attitude toward such a violent act is shockingly blasé.
13:50 on 10/02/2012
Its not just her attitude. It seems to be the attitude of everyone who has posted so far except you. Nobodt seems to be saying they deserve to be raped. They are saying they dont deserve cash for it.
00:43 on 11/02/2012
Nobody DESERVES to be raped, I did not say that. But then again, criminals don't need further excuses do they. As soon as these girls, who are as much hardened criminals as their male counterparts, start getting the idea they can play the victim, they will soon seen pound signs. A rape claim can bring a woman thousands of pounds in compensation, if a false claim is successful, a girl gang member can make her gang big bucks by organising to accuse boys already in prison, then as Karen1963yorks says, handing the compo over to the boy on his release for a nice little nestegg! I a girl has been raped, she should report it through channels that already exist. I don't agree with basically placing another tool for use in gang warfare into the hands of existing gang members. Part of getting this support should include having to move into a refuge well away from the area where your gang is active, and having absolutly NO further contact with any of the gang members or associating with gangs. There needs to be many, many more rules in place to make this work as intended. You're also forgetting these girls have committed shockingly violent acts too, including deception, theft, assault, robbery, armed robbery, car crime and heaven forbid, murder. They are far from sweet, innocent little girls who still play with barbie!
01:29 on 17/02/2012
Twisted, you all are, If you have a 10yr old girl, hanging around with who she thinks are her friends, would you turn her away from support. If she is forced booze and passed around a group to be f to near death by some teen boys who can't get a girl their own age to go with them. It is not always black and white, there is a grey you know