Scotland's Referendum: Lords Back Cameron Over No Devomax Question

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The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 17/02/2012 07:25 Updated: 17/02/2012 07:25

The House of Lords Constitution Committee has backed the UK Government’s view on the Scottish Government’s ability to hold a referendum.

The group agreed that the Scottish administration do not have the power to call a referendum on independence as it related to the Union.

Baroness Jay, Chairman of the House of Lords Constitution Committee, said: “Having looked in detail at the consultation papers by both the UK and Scottish governments, and a significant amount of case law, it is clear that currently the Scottish Parliament cannot unilaterally call an independence referendum”

The Committee support the UK Government’s proposal that a section 30 order be made under the Scotland Act 1998 to allow for a referendum to be held. This would require the agreement of both the UK and Scottish Parliaments.

Following on from their previous report on referendums, the House of Lords committee advocated a referendum offering a straight choice between “full independence or the status quo”. According to the committee, “devolution max” should not be included as an option.

If “devolution max” is put on the ballot paper, the committee said it should not be decided by Scotland alone.

Baroness Jay said: “A third ‘devolution-max’ option is clearly something every part of the UK must have a say in as it has the potential to create different and competing tax regimes within the UK”

The committee also called for the Electoral Commission to decide on the intelligibility of any proposed referendum on Scottish independence.

“It is important that the Electoral Commission is involved to make sure that any proposed question is clear and unambiguous before it goes to the public vote” said Jay.

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stephan67
Eternity and a day
07:48 AM on 02/18/2012
Why is that ? The Slovenians ,the Croats etc had the right to be independent and leave from Jugoslavia , and the Scots don't ? That's hypocrisy.
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09:57 AM on 02/18/2012
And what makes you think that the Scottish people do not have the right to leave the UK if the majority wish to?
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stephan67
Eternity and a day
12:06 PM on 02/18/2012
You didn't understand my comment. I said that they have the right to be independent.
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10:57 PM on 02/17/2012
How is it fair to have
something like a devolution maximum
decided by anybody
BUT the Scottish...

they are voting
to raise and spend their own taxes
and end their fiscal or monetary
ties to London...

how can anybody else
vote FOR them in that area?
09:31 PM on 02/17/2012
We are now entering the interesting stage. Clearly, the unionists are deciding to play for all or nothing. This could cost them dear. End of the United Kingdom. The republican undercurrent in Scotland could build very quickly. There is also a strong neutralist vein that is not keen on foreign military adventurism. Then the issue of aristocratic title comes up. Now keep in mind that 80% of Scottish voters regularly vote for left of centre parties.

Things are warming up nicely. My plans for a Federal Republic of Britain in which both England AND Scotland are abolished will soon be launched upon an unsuspecting and unfortunately uninterested public.
06:56 PM on 02/22/2012
80% vote for left of centre parties? Well that should see of the Red/Yellow/Blue Tory Rainbow Alliance Unionist parties. Labour have not been left of centre for a very long time. Peter Mandelson is recorded as saying, "We are all Thatcherites now". Remember that Tony saw the Tories had moved a little left on the political spectrum and dashed to their right. The LibDems then shifted into Labour's old slot and left the Tory Party nowhere to go. Since then we have had then all, "The Labour & Unionist Party", "The Conservative & Unionist Party", and the "LibDem & Unionist Party", all trying to crush into that right of centre slot on the Spectrum. It's a bit crowded in there.
07:03 PM on 02/22/2012
Scotland is not England.
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Mark B Robertson
08:30 PM on 02/17/2012
Wonderful the unelected and totally unrepresentative claim to speak on behalf of people who want to escape from them and their system.
A definite advantage of Independence, we escape from the Lords!
07:01 PM on 02/22/2012
Poor things see their expenses and subsidised grub & grog plus the £300 per day attendence money snatched from their grasp. They will go to any lengths to hang onto the Skunk tipped robes.
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Allyb999
05:07 PM on 02/17/2012
Lord Goodlad (Chairman) Conservative
Lord Hart of Chilton Labour supporter
Lord Irvine of Lairg Labour
Baroness Jay of Paddington Labour
Lord Lyell of Markyate Conservative
Lord Norton of Louth Conservative
Lord Pannick Crossbencher
Baroness Quin Labour
Lord Rodgers of Quarry Bank LibDem
Lord Shaw of Northstead Conservative
Lord Wallace of Tankerness LibDem
Lord Woolf Crossbencher

Really a very unbiased group.
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Allyb999
04:44 PM on 02/17/2012
Not wishing to be cynical, but are all these Lords on this committee pro unionists? Are there any pro independence Lords in the committee?

If not a fair share of each, any views expressed are surely biased and not worth consideration.
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
03:40 PM on 02/17/2012
No devo max whats the problem with that, the card carrying party members of the SNP hate the mention of the words devo max so much that it turns them into uppercase ranters, so there's no need to worry anymore it's off the agenda, or will the well known political catchphrase "the people of scotland" be the judge of that.
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Allyb999
04:45 PM on 02/17/2012
But it is not the SNP only who are voting? It is indeed the "people of Scotland who will decide"
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
05:04 PM on 02/17/2012
Correct, well said, not just a political party but a nation of scots.
02:07 PM on 02/17/2012
How interesting? A unionist backs another unionist arguments, who'd have thought!

I'd like to thank the unelected House of Lords for their intervention in scotland's democratic future.
01:13 PM on 02/17/2012
A new approach, "No Jam Tommorow"
12:33 PM on 02/17/2012
That'll be Baroness Jay of Paddington, daughter of Jim Callaghan, the last PM to try and fu*k up a referendum in Scotland.
02:02 PM on 02/17/2012
Ah, see you like the lady then. It is not her pronouncment. She is just the messenger you know. Think you are a little quick to criticise.
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Gilbert McLardy
02:47 PM on 02/17/2012
If I were you, I would either go to Spec/Savers or try reading the statement correctly, you may be correct in that she is a mouth piece for the Cameron but she does share the same views, the party that holds no mandate in Scotland