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Tory Police Commissioner Candidates A "Massive Disappointment For Number 10"

Posted: 22/02/12 00:39  |  Updated: 22/02/12 08:23

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The Tory candidates who have come forward so far to stand as Police and Crime Commissioners (PCCs) have been "a massive disappointment" for Number 10, with more than three quarters of them either former or current members of the police authorities that are being scrapped, The Huffington Post UK understands.

A senior Tory source has also told HuffPost UK that Downing Street's wish that Tory candidates should go through an "open primary" process has angered many constituency associations, who are expected to foot the bill for the hustings.

Ministers and MPs are said to be trying to distance themselves from a policy which could initially see desperately low turnouts and unsuitable people standing on party tickets. "This is one of those Steve Hilton, David Cameron, blue skies ideas," said the Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) source.

David Cameron's inner circle are now privately worried about a severe lack of decent and distinctive candidates standing for the Conservative party in the elections for PCCs. Their introduction was a flagship policy in the Tory manifesto at the 2010 election, but it's hard to find any Tory MPS - particularly on the backbenches - who are wildly enthusiastic about it.

Around 220 people have registered on the Conservatives' website to stand as police commissioner so far, but the vast majority of these have experience on Police Authorities, the current bodies across England and Wales which scrutinise police chief constables.

Many Tories now believe that the police commissioners and the Police and Crime Panels they appoint will end up being very similar in make-up to the Police Authorities they are replacing.

A CCHQ source - close to Theresa May and involved with the open primaries process - says in some areas the better candidates on long-lists are unlikely to be selected, because they won't be "demagogic" enough to have mass appeal.

"People are saying that standing for election, your mind has to work in a particular way," Huffpost UK was told. "For the better people for this job, standing in hustings and knocking on doors is not their thing."

Another issue has been on pay. Some high-fliers who initially expressed an interest in standing cooled off when they discovered the salary range, between £60,000 and £100,000 depending on the size of the police force.

The former Army officer Tim Collins, who had been considering standing as a PCC in Kent for the Tories, is now thought to have withdrawn his candidacy. He had believed that being a PCC would be a part-time job, but the intention is that PCCs will work full-time and not expected to hold any other position.

The inaugural elections for PCCs will take place on 15 November across England and Wales but not in London, which has separate policing arrangements. Many Tory MPs are fearful that holding the elections outside of British Summer Time in the depths of autumn will lead to low turnouts.

The elections were due to be held in May of this year, on the same day as local elections, but this was pushed back by the government last year, at a cost of £25m to the taxpayer.

Our source says that the delay was caused by a lack of enthusiasm by Theresa May towards the policy, meaning it was not made a priority within the Home Office in the first few months of the coalition, and as such the law to enact the new regime was delayed.

May has always spoken in favour of elected police commissioners, but is said to be "lukewarm" towards them behind the scenes.

"Fewer than a handful of Tory MPs really back them," a backbencher told HuffPost UK, adding that many Tories were resigned to never gaining control of the positions in Merseyside, Greater Manchester or the West Midlands.

"Quite a few Tory MPs say Labour police commissioners will build a power base as a stepping stone to Parliament, or impose Labour-style policing at odds with a Tory home secretary," HuffPost UK was told.

Labour already has one potential high-profile candidate for PCC, in the form of Lord Prescott, who is proposing to stand in Humberside.

Not all Tory PCC candidates will be selected by open primary - some will be chosen only by party members. The expectation is that all the Tory candidates will be finalised in May.

Each Conservative association is expected to contribute £5,000 towards the selection and campaign, something many are said to be annoyed about, at a time when local party coffers are low because of declining membership.

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Roy Fowler
09:36 on 26/02/2012
Only half of us bothered to vote at the last national Election!!! We have 30% turnouts in some local elections and now you want us to vote on a job for a top copper??

We are not the USA; we dont need to vote on police chiefs, fire chiefs etc etc.

We want internal promotions and advancement through achievement and skill in specialist and critical roles where we, as lay people, could have no frame of reference or understanding of the requirements of these roles.
09:33 on 23/02/2012
Oh I don't know about "A-List Applicants" - I believe Peter Andre, Kerry Katona and John Prescott have applied for one of the jobs each............
03:22 on 23/02/2012
I am so glad that this ill-advised policy is confined to England and that we Scots won't suffer it. You only have to look across the ocean to the US to see where this leads. Corruption, one man having enormous power to shape communities and apply his biases and prejudices to the law, suspects railroaded into jail during election season, no matter what the evidence says, to make the candidate look tough. It's never a good idea to mix the police and politics.
02:06 on 23/02/2012
Never mind all this BS about people's representatives! He should be concentrating on REDUCING the number of police forces (there are presently 43 within England and Wales,each with high ranking, well paid and well pensioned senior officers) and thereby utilising to better effect the police on the ground. The Government need to realise that the police only police with the CONSENT of the public, and, unfortunately they are LOSING that consent!!!
00:26 on 23/02/2012
People sense that the post is powerless. What is the point of it beyond wasting more taxpayers money that could have put more policemen on the streets?
02:11 on 23/02/2012
That's exactly what the Government did with the so called Community Officers (wasted tax payers money trying to "police" on the cheap)! Until we, the electorate, can hold our politicians to legal account (ie, what they promise and what they actually do) we'll never change anything!
20:50 on 22/02/2012
*facepalm*
18:50 on 22/02/2012
Whoever is elected will have a very limited role - they will not be able to change goverment policies to which Chief Constables are tied. They will not be able to change procedures etc which are laid down by law,they will still have to work within the budget set for the force area. The PCC will simply be another person for the disenchanted to write to instead of the CC and he will be just as powerless to do anything about what is being complained of if it results from lack of resources,which is the basis of most complaints about general policing. He will have no role in general misconduct proceedings against individuals because that procedure is laid down by law.He/or she will have to have a staff including a legal one just as the current police authorities have.If he/she has no experience at all in policing he/she will need researchers to properly brief him/her on issues arising which can be extreamly complicated legally - on anumber of occasions things go wrong even when you have very experienced people running them - all in all a waste of money.
09:35 on 23/02/2012
Yes a very limited role at about £100,000.00 per annum, nice fancy uniform with plumed red hat, plus several assistants, plus expenses, plus, pension, plus vehicle, plus driver, etc., etc., etc.,
17:27 on 22/02/2012
Typical Cameron "Blue Sky" thinking not thought through
16:44 on 22/02/2012
Just shows what kind of salaries these people are accustomed to, £60000 to £100000 and they thought that it was part time, the mind boggles !
14:43 on 22/02/2012
So Theresa May will still be in with a shout when she gets the boot from her current job.
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14:02 on 22/02/2012
"Ministers and MPs are said to be trying to distance themselves from a policy which could initially see desperately low turnouts and unsuitable people standing on party tickets."
Isn’t that the hallmark of ersatz democracy?

"very similar in make-up"
Jobs for the usual Identikit suspects.

"Some high-fliers who initially expressed an interest in standing cooled off when they discovered the salary"
Ask not what your community will get from you. But rather, how much you can get from your community.

"holding the elections outside of British Summer Time in the depths of autumn will lead to low turnouts."
Talking of the lack of blue sky. Why not just put someone in post, who agrees to have their pay determined by an on-line popularity poll? Thereby saving on elections. This would also permit a rolling review to be conducted by those who might be considered customers. Reward would be directly connected to effectiveness. So if the salary fell to zero, the incentive to resign would be self evident.

"Each Conservative association is expected to contribute £5,000 towards the selection and campaign"
Congratulations! The mother of all parliaments has just given birth to its very own Super PAC.
11:54 on 22/02/2012
Why bdoes Camerons ideas always cost the taxpayer?
09:36 on 23/02/2012
There's a recession on, don't you know?
10:38 on 22/02/2012
Another unneeded change that will end up costing the tax payer more money, but at least he did tell us his intentions about this stupid idea before the election, which makes a change at least from his skulduggery over his plans for the NHS.
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10:12 on 22/02/2012
We need a national police force with one chief. Just as with politics, it's layers of people all doing the same job wastefully. The same is true of the NHS and every other organisation that labour used to place all their jobsworths in high places. I wish Joe Arpaio would apply. Put all the crims in pink undies and make them repair our roads..
09:37 on 23/02/2012
Apply yourself - I'd vote for you.....
10:03 on 22/02/2012
The usual Dodgy Dave combination of stupidity and waste.