Government Plans for 100-Year Loans

George Osborne

First Posted: 13/03/2012 23:03 Updated: 13/03/2012 23:03

The Treasury is planning to take advantage of Britain's historically low interest rates by taking out loans which will not be repaid for 100 years or more.

Chancellor George Osborne will use next week's Budget to launch a consultation on plans to issue "super-long" gilts which do not have to be paid off for many decades - or even perpetual gilts, on which the capital is never repaid, but interest continues to be charged for ever.

The move would mean that children not yet born will continue to pay interest throughout their lives on debts racked up during the financial crisis of 2008/09, the Press Association reported.

But the chancellor believes it will benefit future generations by "locking in" low interest rates on a proportion of the UK's national debt, reducing refinancing costs and insulating Britain from some of the risk of future market instability.

Britain last issued perpetual gilts at the end of the First World War, rolling over some of the war debt incurred during hostilities. These debts - as well as some issued to pay for the 18th century South Sea Bubble - are still held by the Treasury, but inflation has reduced them to negligible significance over the decades.

The UK already issues long-term bonds of up to 50 years - double the length of those of many other European states. The option of loans with an even longer maturity is attractive to the Treasury because Britain's "safe haven" status during the current financial turmoil has brought gilt yields down as low as 2%, making borrowing cheaper than it has been for more than a century.

A Treasury source said: "This is about locking in for the future the tangible benefits of the safe haven status we have today.

"The prize is lower debt interest payments for taxpayers for decades to come. It is a chance for our great-grandchildren to pay less than they could otherwise have expected to because of this Government's fiscal credibility."

The independent Office for Budget Responsibility is expected to release figures next week indicating that a rise of just 1% in gilt yields would increase the burden on the taxpayer of financing the UK's debt by a total of £20 billion over the years to 2016/17.

The super-long gilt plan is an unexpected feature of a 21 March Budget whose final details are still being thrashed out by the Conservative and Liberal Democrat sides of the coalition.

After making good progress at a meeting on Monday, the "Quad" of Mr Osborne, David Cameron, deputy prime minister Nick Clegg and Treasury chief secretary Danny Alexander, are expected to gather again to finalise plans after the prime mMinister returns from the USA on Friday. The chancellor is flying home early from the States on Thursday to continue work on the Budget.

It is understood that there is still movement on some key elements of the Budget, though it is not clear whether this includes totemic issues like the 50p income tax rate, the Lib Dem proposals for a mansion tax or tycoon tax and the possibility of preserving child benefit for some upper-rate taxpayers.

Under Treasury rules, any proposals with cost implications must be sent to the OBR by the end of Friday so they can prepare independent forecasts of their impact, to be released after Mr Osborne's statement.

Ahead of the Budget, the chancellor will announce on operational details of his credit easing scheme to help businesses obtain loans at affordable interest rates.

Announced with a flourish at last autumn's Conservative conference, the plan has made slow progress, but Mr Osborne is expected to be able to announce on Tuesday the names of banks which are getting involved - thought to include a range of financial institutions and not only the largely state-owned RBS and Lloyds.

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Nitro24uk
07:53 PM on 03/15/2012
Please please can I have a loan for a few million quid.
I can pay you back £3 a week.

Or is that rate only for benefit fraud?
09:22 AM on 03/15/2012
Horsesh!t the UK is a "safe haven".

UK government debt is not too bad, but the debt of the UK private financial industry is massive. The TOTAL UK debt including the UK private financial industry is a WHOPPING 1000% of UK GDP - TWO to THREE times more than any other developed country! (as measured by Morgan Stanley)

And when those 'innovative' financial bets of the UK banking industry go bad, who pays? The UK taxpayer of course! But most leaders and pundits in the UK don't like to talk about how big UK private financial debt is. I wonder why?

Because of its massive private financial debt, I think the UK is one of the more precarious countries financially.
01:14 AM on 03/15/2012
Their depreciation absorbs inflation.

If 100 year loans are such a good idea then why not offer 100 year interest only mortgages which can be repaid by selling house whenever? If no bank would lend on such a mortgage why should anyone buy such a bond?

Kick the can down the road.

The bankrupt generations of the future will revolt and take the country back. Or they will be serfs.
11:13 PM on 03/14/2012
Something for our grandchildren to have to contend with perhaps......
01:50 PM on 03/14/2012
I bet it makes him feel proud to lumber our "GREAT,GREAT,GREAT grandchildren with a never ending debt,!! especialy as it will not effect him "IN ANY WAY" !! HOW ABOUT clobbering the big business tax dodgers for the hundreds of millions of pounds they owe first !,its not down to us to foot a bill that they are "LEGALY" required to pay,just because of some loop hole some legal eagle has managed to prise open! ONCE they prove to the public they are prepared to make these people pay THEIR DUES !! then & only then will the public even start to have the smallest confidence in any of them !!
05:49 PM on 03/14/2012
Quote: "I bet it makes him feel proud to lumber our "GREAT,GREAT,GREAT grandchildren with a never ending debt"

There has been no significant reduction in government debt in the last hundred years so all your umpteen generations of grandfathers have lumbered you with their debt. The chances that a significant amount of debt will be paid off in the next 100 years are slim.

All the proposal would do would be to lock in interest rates for 100 years and eliminate the need to refinance the debt every five, ten, twenty, thirty or fifty years at possibly higher rates of interest. Whether anyone would subscribe to that is yet to be seen.
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
12:35 PM on 03/14/2012
you cannot keep making money out of money all the time

those that have too much should give some back (some, that came out wrong i meant a lot)
printing money just devalues any we may already have, now or ina hundred years)
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Norman Mitchison
11:58 AM on 03/14/2012
Borrow now and repay in 100yrs? Great idea but we wont have to repay it.....
northern git
fed up with all the political crap in life
12:33 PM on 03/14/2012
some legacy eh?
11:40 AM on 03/14/2012
these gits are totally insane they are out of control
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casual agent
Advocate for social justice
04:39 PM on 03/14/2012
This is total lunacy'..Another one flies' over the cuckoo's nest eh?
11:56 PM on 03/14/2012
it would be great if the same rules apply to us i could get a new laptop and ask for it ot be paid over 35yrs...interest free...why not...they talk of billions in 100's of years whats the difference
11:17 AM on 03/14/2012
why keep taking more money just put the vat rate down to 10% and that make the cost of living come down and fule as well so more money in the pocket . so you will have money to spend and the more you spend the more poeple will get jobs so what you lose in vat you make shaving by not paying out to them unenployed and then they pay tax as well so more going back in to the kitty .
it will take a long time to lost £50 billon they keep having .
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casual agent
Advocate for social justice
05:00 PM on 03/14/2012
Well'..That idea has already been mooted'..Ed Balls' wants them to reduce VAT' at least temorarilly'..So thst people can start spending again'..But this must be done with other measures to stimulate the economy'..ie..a Bank Bonus Tax'..Maybe a Windfall Tax on The Utility Companies'..But the danger is'..People will probably spend that money on Imported Goods'..Therefore creating another cycle of debt'..How about some kind of Manufacturing Bond' of some type'..Where people could invest in british firms' over a 5 or 10 year period'..Similar to an ISA'..But set at around 5% Tax Free' say upto £10.000'...Surely that would would be an ecellent way of re-booting the economy.Another benefit would be that the established Banks would have to compete and offer better deals for costomers'..instead of ripping them off'..Some might say this idea is crazy'?..Maybe'...But no crazier than the one Ossies' just dream't up eh?.
11:12 AM on 03/14/2012
"I'm surprised by the Governments lack of 'initiative' here. Why not borrow and promise to repay sometime in the future?
Simple.
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05:02 PM on 03/14/2012
...Spread over a 100 years' ...Yeah'...Where do I sign?...lol
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06:40 PM on 03/14/2012
Because it doesn't need to repay; and there may be good demand for this tenor or duration. Tax on interest and capital gain varies between buyers - banks, pension funds, institutional investors, sovereign and state funds, etc. For example, income from interest payments may be taxed lower than income from capital gain (on redemption).
06:53 PM on 03/14/2012
Yes, and some companies will become bankrupt and stealth taxes will be applied etc etc. Note I said 'sometime in the future'........
.... and the future never comes!
11:09 AM on 03/14/2012
"Britain's historically low interest rates by taking out loans which will not be repaid for 100 years or more".
Well the hell do they get this 'historically low interest rate bit from?" In 1991 it hit 15% that isn't that long ago!
11:24 AM on 03/14/2012
It makes sense if you add the word "current" before "historically".
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06:46 PM on 03/14/2012
It's in the present tense: "to take [advantage of]". The present rate is low by historical standards.
10:27 AM on 03/14/2012
More money/interest for the banks, not prepared to lend the £500bn they've received so far from this government, they'll get another instalment of our money to lend at low interest rates to industry. Its gravy all the way for this lot, with George's endorsement, and will it go where its suppose to? history, recent history, suggests not.
10:10 AM on 03/14/2012
I dont see how any of this can help rebuild our failing engineering and development sector in industry. Currently most of our industry is foreign owned and any proffits are simple flowing out of th UK and into the pockets of some rich Chinaman or Russian !. Take a look at Range Rover it was always a good company, but poorley run by greedy money sucking british toffee nose executives. Now the Chineese have taken over its going from strength to strength, great for Range Rover, but it shows whow bad our UK managment and executives actualy are at controlling a company. Now as a result of their failings, its proffits are being sent to China instead !!.
09:30 AM on 03/14/2012
a very desperate man and party who have completely run out of ideas and money
09:38 AM on 03/14/2012
He doesn't appear to have run out of ideas to me, it seems logical and it was the last shower that got us into this mess in case you have forgotten.
10:23 AM on 03/14/2012
"it seems logical" what does, blessing the people of this country with perpetual debt, usury, the bankers friend, interest on electronic numbers, quantative easing, creating more numbers from nothing while we pick up the tab, forever. It doesn't seem at all logical to me that our government or anyone elses for that matter are prepared to follow the same situation which has us in the predicament we are now and drop into every few years or so to benefit the super rich banking families of this planet.
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05:04 PM on 03/14/2012
No'..Ossie' has never had any good ideas'...Thats the fact...lol
09:10 AM on 03/14/2012
Quote: "inflation has reduced them to negligible significance over the decades"

This is the whole point as well as locking in a low interest rate. Inflation since 1900 has reduced the effective value of debt to 1% of the value at that time. £10,000,000 borrowed in 1900 would be equivalent to borrowing £1 billion today but in over 100 years the monetary value of the debt has not grown and £10 million would be a paltry sum for the government to repay now.

The gripe that it will lock in future generations to debts is just a red herring because does anyone really believe that the UK is going to reduce its actual debts significantly over the next 100 years? The debt to GDP ratio may go down but the monetary value is unlikely to decrease.

I expect that some people think that when stock is redeemed the debt is repaid, but that is not so; all that has happened is that it has been rolled over into a new debt. The interesting thing will be to see what demand there is for such stock.
09:46 AM on 03/14/2012
Actually debts being devalued by inflation is not new. When we took out our first mortgage inflation was so high under the labour government at the time that although the interest rate went up to 15% which was a struggle ( and people are moaning about their mortgage repayments now!!) our loan was devalued so much by galloping inflation that it soon became a trifle.