Scottish Border Checks 'Could Follow Independence' Admits Home Secretary Theresa May

Posted: 25/03/2012 15:08 Updated: 25/03/2012 15:14   PA

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An independent Scotland could see checks introduced at its border with England, Home Secretary Theresa May has said.

May yesterday warned that independence could result in the country's borders being opened up to "mass immigration".

In an interview with BBC Scotland's Sunday Politics programme today, she said there could be a border check if Scotland joined the European Common Travel Area, by signing up to the Schengen Agreement.

She said: "If there was a separate Scotland, there could very well be some sort of border check, but what that would be, to what extent that would be necessary, would depend on the issues about whether Scotland was in Schengen, whether it wanted to be in the Common Travel Area which they would have to negotiate, if that was what they wished to do."

May said such issues needed to be addressed as part of the debate ahead of a referendum on independence, which the SNP wants to hold in the autumn of 2014.

She added: "But the point I'm making is that these are exactly the sorts of issues that it is right to be discussing and should be part of the debate."

At the Scottish Conservative Party conference in Troon yesterday, Ms May warned that if an independent Scotland joined the European Union (EU), it "almost certainly" would not have the UK's opt-out on justice and home affairs matters, and would face joining Europe's Schengen area, which applies to all member states except the UK and Ireland.

The Schengen area operates border controls for the whole area, but there are no internal border checks between countries within the area.

A number of constitutional experts and unionist politicians have warned that Scotland would have to re-apply to Europe if it separated from the UK.

They argue that the rest of the UK would retain the opt-outs it has negotiated over the years, including the right to hold passport checks at the UK border through its opt-out of the Schengen Agreement, but Scotland would not.

Some have argued that this will result in the necessity for passport checks at the Scottish border but the SNP insists it will share the UK's successor status and retain its opt-outs.

The SNP said an independent Scotland would also inherit the Common Travel Area which exists across the UK and Ireland.

May said it could not be assumed that Scotland would be part of the Common Travel Area.

She added: "There is an assumption that it would be but we would need to be talking to Scotland about whether that would be right and about what that would entail."

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09:41 AM on 03/27/2012
A little context here......May was speaking on a platform to launch the Scottish Tory "fight to save the union". Also on the platform was David (now Lord) Trimble whom those of us with long memories recall cavorting hand-in hand with Ian Paisley as the RUC (as it then was) forced an Orange march through a Catholic area. This washed -up specimen accused the SNP (which has operated entirely peacefully and democratically all its life) of "doing violence to Scottish identity" !

If this is the quality of the Scottish Tory campaign, one has to ask if they have given up already.
11:21 PM on 03/26/2012
Just like the border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland - she's obvously not visited the Irish border recently....... Total bullocks!
08:48 PM on 03/26/2012
Well its the only wat to prevent corrupt tories crossing into Scotland. We have enough crooks of our own!
08:11 PM on 03/26/2012
I think Border checks might be a good thing and Teresa May, they work both ways.
Scotland wouldn't want England's undesirables, just like you wouldn't want ours.
05:14 PM on 03/26/2012
If Scotland left the Union we would get rid of a lot of Labour MPs and only one Conservative leading to a Conservative majority in the remainder of the UK.
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05:47 PM on 03/26/2012
Or a lab/libdem coalition?.
06:05 PM on 03/26/2012
Don't forget Libs will also loose seats in Scotland. Scots independence will be a major boost for the Tories!
08:09 PM on 03/26/2012
Do the sums Lib/Lab 258 Cons 304 then next election reduction of 50 seats favours Cons
05:59 PM on 03/26/2012
This seems to be a common belief. Indeed it has been suggested that this is the real reason for Cameron's interventions in the referendum process: every speech he makes gains members for the SNP and support for independence. Result of Scotland gaining independence: permanent Tory majority afterwards in England / Rump UK.

However when the issue came up in Question Time a few weeks ago, Dimbleby stated that in only one post WW2 UK general election would removal of the Scottish constituency MPs have produced a different result. If this is true (and his statement wasn't challenged) then it would appear that the common belief is wrong.
08:05 PM on 03/26/2012
On current seats Labour would loose 41 MPs and the Libs 11 so Lab + Lib = 258 Cons =304 add to that the reduction of 50 constituencies next election.
04:50 PM on 03/26/2012
Excuse an outsiders ignorance: but, if Scotland were to leave the "United Kingdom" why would the England, Northern Ireland and Wales be presumed to inherit the UK's standing in the EU etc.? As a founding member of that Union of 1707 wouldn't it have an equal right to such status?
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06:24 PM on 03/26/2012
It would be no different to that when Southern Ireland left the UK.

Scotland would simply be leaving the 'United Kingdom' to form its own legal entity.
09:20 PM on 03/26/2012
No lenuk you are mistaken. Ireland joined the already United Kingdom in 1801 to become part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, when the Irish left behind the six northern counties of Ulster we became the UK og GB and N.Ireland.
The UK bit is England(incorporating Wales) and Scotland. Take out Scotland and there is no United Kingdom of Great Britain only England (and N.Ireland).

Of course England could call itself 'Magic Pixieland' or whatever it wanted. Not a lot of folk south of the border seem to understand the difference between England and the UK or GB. I'm sure they will revert back to plain old England to decribe the rump former UK state of England.
Scotland already has its own legal entity, formed almost a thousand years ago, you know Robert the Bruce, Braveheart, you must've heard of it?
04:05 PM on 03/26/2012
Border controls are just one of a number advantages of Scottish independence that the UK will gain. The rest of us will no longer have to put up with their constant whinging. Football results of hopeless teams will no longer need to be reported. The UK weather forecast will be that much quicker because none of us will give a fig about what is happening up there. Best of all they will have to pick up the bill for RBS and HBOS, those wonderful examples of scottish financial know how. Give it five years and they will be pleading to come back.
05:47 PM on 03/26/2012
HBOS and RBS are not classified as Scottish banks but British. Remember what the H stands for. We don't have anywhere called Halifax in Scotland!
11:56 PM on 03/26/2012
I thought that the BOS bit ( Bank of Scotland was a slight clue)
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02:22 PM on 03/26/2012
What's the big deal? If Scotland votes for independence, of course the border will be an issue that will need discussing. Exactly where it will be, will it be patrolled, will there be border checks, who will be responsible for paying for what on which side, will we need passports to move between the borders etc etc...all these things would have to form part of separation talks. Same as the currency, the military, the power stations, the oil, transport links, membership of the EU/NATO/EEC/UN/CoE/ICC/OSCE/EEA/EUCU/Schegen/OECD/WTO/ESA/VWP or anything else that would have to be talked about.

Lets be brutal, none of the political parties in England want to split, but if Scotland votes to leave, we'll talk about all these things, come to a decision then move forward as separate countries, hopefully as friends and a few years from now, it'll be the normal question: "What was all the fuss about?"
03:23 PM on 03/26/2012
What a refreshingly sensible post!

Not sure how power stations come into it, though. Very few of the UK's power stations are even owned by UK companies.
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04:16 PM on 03/26/2012
What I should have said was energy production, who generates what, where they do it and how they make it (and how much they sell it for, and to whom!). If England wants to build nuclear plants for instance would Scotland be OK with them doing it near the border or vice versa, given the implications of something going wrong. After Japan, it's a reasonable question because if something goes wrong, fallout isn't going to stop at a line on a map!

Just better all round to clear up as much as possible straight after a potential separation, to save rows later!
04:53 PM on 03/26/2012
Exactly. The 'first' exit from the Union, by Ireland, took place under more difficult times. Just be sure not to leave a part of Scotland behind!
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06:26 PM on 03/26/2012
Unless, of course, parts of southern Scotland elected to remain within the UK.

But that's another story ........
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01:43 PM on 03/26/2012
Thanks Teresa.....

Love Alex [Salmond]
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12:42 PM on 03/26/2012
Futile scaremongering! Why would the Scots join Shengen when UK AND Ireland have not? If they do then certainly, passports at the ready and immigrants camps along the border!
03:27 PM on 03/26/2012
Of course an even more sensible solution would be for the UK and Ireland to join Shengen. I spent most of February in assorted countries on the UK mainland and (apart from Italian hotel check ins) the first time I needed my passport was to enter the UK.
06:40 PM on 03/26/2012
Not sure I understand, but get your drift. We might as well join, our border controls are useless anyway! It would release a lot of manpower to go after the illegals too!
11:08 AM on 03/26/2012
The most bogoted, hate-fueled city I have ever been to is Glasgow. The sooner we get rid of the Scots and stick up a big sodding wall to keep them out the better. Hopefully we can also deport all the Scottish drunks on the streets on England and Wales. We don't want them and all they do is collect dole, beg and steal.
11:51 AM on 03/26/2012
Hmm, I am wondering now, just exactly what attitudes your comment displays.
12:34 PM on 03/26/2012
Why don't you just crawl back under your stone!
09:44 AM on 03/26/2012
Instead of worrying about border controls between England and Scotland, Theresa May might be better advised to get a grip on our current border controls. This might also be as welcome in Scotland as anywhere else.
11:23 PM on 03/26/2012
Howabout border control around Westminster and don't let MP's out once they enter?
09:18 AM on 03/26/2012
The border town of Berwick-on-Tweed had a poll a couple of years ago , the choice was to stay in England or become part of Scotland, overwhelmingly the vote was for Scotland. So hardly suprising that the Scots themselves want independence. As for border control they would probably have an efficient one that stops the undesireables walking in ,unlike the south of England which seems to encourage them.
09:08 AM on 03/26/2012
Any such checks would probably be asaeffective as those elsewhere in England i.e. if you are foreign come in, take a job, have a benefit
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09:03 AM on 03/26/2012
thats a luagh the wicked witch talking about border checks> shes only in a panic because her power base is crumbling and shrinkinfg to a small part of the south of egland