Teachers Would Resist Shortening Of Summer Holidays, NUT Says

Posted: 10/04/2012 14:40 Updated: 10/04/2012 14:40   PA

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Teachers would resist changes to term lengths as they did pensions, the NUT warned

Teachers have warned they will resist any attempt to shorten the six-week school summer holiday.

A move to cut the traditional summer break would harm children's learning and teachers' wellbeing, the National Union of Teachers (NUT) said.

The union passed a resolution at its annual conference in Torquay on Tuesday, warning it will resist any national or local attempts to impose changes to the school year, or day, against the professional judgment of teachers.

It comes weeks after NUT members in Nottingham staged a one-day walkout over proposals by the city council to introduce a five-term school year from 2013 and cut the summer holiday from six to four weeks. There are plans for two more one-day strikes later this month.

Nottingham City Council says the move will help boost attainment and attendance in its schools, arguing that many children "fall out of the habit" of learning during the long holidays. It said having shorter breaks means a greater chance that pupils will remember what they have learnt.

Speaking during the debate, Sheena Wheatley, a teacher from Nottingham, said: "A five-term year represents a major attack on our conditions of service."

She added: "I don't think I need to describe the impact of shortening the summer break, not just for us and our families, but also for the young people that we work with.

"The projected eight-week terms would have a major effect on our workload and ultimately our health, I believe."

Fellow Nottingham teacher John Illingworth said that if the plans went ahead, the city would have "the shortest school summer break in the world, at just over four weeks".

"It's true that South Korea have only five weeks, and a much longer working day," he said. "They also have the highest child suicide rate in the world."

Mr Illingworth said: "We don't want Nottingham to become a laboratory for testing how far we can drive our young people."

A six-week break is important for children and teachers, Mr Illingworth said.

"This union has stood up over the years for the right for children to play. There's been an attack on play in our schools and we're attacking children's right to play outside school."

Tom Unterrainer, also a teacher from Nottingham, told delegates: "We've looked for rigorous academic research which points to the fact that learning loss takes place. There is none. But there's plenty of evidence, plenty of empirical evidence, real world evidence out there, around the world, to show that school holiday length and the lengths of teachers' holidays and the length of time that students and young people are out of school has no verifiable impact on their outcomes. It's a nonsense."

The call to resist changes to the school holidays was part of a wider motion on teacher workload which warned that the amount of work teachers face is getting worse.

It called for the union to campaign against the problem, including national ballots for strike and non-strike action.

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Vapula
Failure is not an option
03:23 PM on 04/17/2012
You don't like being a teacher? You don't like your pay and conditions? Welcome to the real world. If you don't like it then get another job, but don't expect the rest of us to subsidize you.
09:11 AM on 04/16/2012
"Teachers Would Resist Shortening Of Summer Holidays, NUT Says".

That in itself is a good reason for voting for shorter summer holidays, it would surely benefit children as well.

More of them might even leave school having a reasonable knowledge of the 3 Rs.
03:52 PM on 04/12/2012
Im certainly not going to slag off "state employees" as i am one, but, this certainly does seem to be more about the Teachers (and the NUT digging its heals in) than the children. Mr Tom Unterrainer (that nice teacher from Nottingham) does seem to be waffling a bit about evidence, he talks a lot about it, but does not come up with any, just waffles nonsense...so come on Tom, at least show the "real world" evidence in your prolonged waffle and you teachers may yet convince the parents!
03:12 PM on 04/11/2012
My sister was a junior school teacher it's hard work, sometimes her days were full of joy, and sometimes horror, but never easy.
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ccraiglamont
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02:19 PM on 04/11/2012
I think all teaching salaries should be made public knowledge for the tax-payers with children at relevant schools THEN we can see whether or not they are value for money!
Factor in the 13 weeks holiday and 104 days of Saturdays and Sundays they are away from School, then we get a more realistic picture.
Of course teachers get extra payments for doing 'after hours' work, which few care to mention!
03:05 PM on 04/11/2012
They are public workers so if you really want to know what they earn YOU can find out.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:26 PM on 04/11/2012
What's stopping you from training for the profession? After all, with such long holidays and high salaries, you must have considered it yourself....?
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Fozwords
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07:03 PM on 04/10/2012
Give them 5 week a year and bank holidays like I get, that should shut them up
10:48 PM on 04/10/2012
I reckon they'd take it if it also meant that they could work 9 - 5.30 every day and not have to take any work home. The education system would collapse though because it relies on the goodwill of teachers working ridiculous hours during term times.
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ccraiglamont
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02:09 PM on 04/11/2012
oops did NOT mean to mark this as 'Favourite'. Why should they have a quarter of a year holiday and most weekends free? Get a life and come and see the real world, most of us in the private sector have to work undefined shifts for minimum wage and forego any bank Holiday leave as well as having to stagger our holidays to cover the 8 weeks holiday during the summer! Oh and we cannot even AFFORD to pay into a pension! Teachers should look at themselves and realise THEY ARE NOT HARD DONE BY!!!!
03:14 PM on 04/11/2012
I did mean to mark you as favourite!
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janno000
06:39 PM on 04/10/2012
six weeks is too long and children get bored, however if they reduce it to 4 weeks the cost of holidays in that time would sky rocket. Schools should offer some activities for children in the holiday period, and compulsary summer schools for children who are behind.
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Fozwords
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07:03 PM on 04/10/2012
Some of the thicko's wouldnt get a holiday.
06:26 PM on 04/10/2012
A very hard job teaching, however a month off at a time is plenty. Surely longer holidays in the winter months would save the tax payer money on lighting and heating.
majdf18148
I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
05:53 PM on 04/10/2012
What arrant nonsense.This has the square root of nothing to do with the welfare of the children and everything to do with the welfare of the teachers. Six weeks break in the summer is too long. Four weeks is more than enough for everyone concerned. Far too many kids are leaving school after 10 years of a state education barely more literate or numerate than when they entered the school system.That should be of far greater concern to the NUT and all the other supporters of this radical and outdated union than the shortening of a break that is far too long and helps noone other than teachers. Two final points. To compare the UK with Korea where educational attainment is almost a life or death issue is plain nonsense. secondly, if there is no "empirical evidence" that links learning loss to holidays why are children not alowed to accompany their parents on holiday for a week during term time? Answer........that's just the way it is!
05:58 PM on 04/10/2012
Er, it's easy to answer this one:
Missing school when EVERYBODY else is missing school=OK
Missing 2 weeks of school where everybody else has moved on and being behind everybody else in the class=bad

Simple enough?
majdf18148
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06:18 PM on 04/10/2012
No it isn't. Firstly I said one week not two. Secondly for the overwhelming majority of children a week per year out of the school syllabus would mean nothing until they got near exam years.Thirdly,some posts are taken seriously others not so. Simples!
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:30 PM on 04/11/2012
Why don't YOU apply for teacher training, instead of bellyaching? After all, you sound like you've got it all sorted! Perhaps you're afraid of failure?
majdf18148
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05:48 PM on 04/11/2012
Bit touchy old chap aren't we? Perhaps a disgrunted "teecher." Not afraid of failure. I had two very successful careers, one in HM Forces for almost 30 years and a second in public service. In both careers I learned how to debate without stooping to personal attacks on people.You may or may not be aware of how sought after ex HM Forces are as teachers. We were taught how to command and impart mutual respect, how to keep control of situations, how to impart knowledge, how to develop and promote interest in a subject et al. So, not afraid of failure just couldn't handle all the time off!
05:41 PM on 04/10/2012
Three weeks is Plenty.
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05:17 PM on 04/10/2012
I am not a teacher but I know a few. They do try hard and have a difficult job but I feel the holidays should be spread between Xmas/Easter/Summer a month off is enough for anyone!
05:04 PM on 04/10/2012
My daughter did a eight week term two weeks off and four week summer holiday, the school is one of the top in the country.The teachers there dont moan about it just get on with teaching.
05:35 PM on 04/10/2012
MY daughter did a fiftytwo week term with no holidays and had one day off for the Summer. Her school IS the best in the country. The teachers there work 23 hour days for free and on the weekends they mow the parents' lawns and polish their cars.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
05:43 PM on 04/11/2012
LOL, fanned.

The teachers at my son's school work 28 hours every day. They pay the headteacher for the privilege of cleaning the playground with their tongues. Then they teach 5 hour lessons to classes of 50, with no bathroom breaks. They have to PERSONALLY give MONEY to the families each child who fails to get a top job within a year of leaving the school. They have to massage the feet of Ofsted inspectors, while self flagellating with 'Mr Whippy', the Head's favourite correctional tool.

And they say it's hard in the Private Sector!
07:28 AM on 04/11/2012
give me the name of the school and i will give then a medal
05:03 PM on 04/10/2012
I am a teacher, and belong to a union, and they do not speak for me. I have no problem with the summer holiday being shortened. However, I would like to see a week added to the Christmas holiday or Easter (or both). A month long summer holiday is more than enough. It is only Northern hemisphere countries who seem to think it isn't. The rest of the world survives on 3 week or moth long holidays without any harm coming to them. I would rather the holidays be more evely divided during the year, with the summer one only slightly longer. I wonder how many other teachers feel the same.
04:59 PM on 04/10/2012
'Wow' and these are the people that are supposed to teach our children, now that is scary.
Six weeks holiday has been outdated for a long while, makes sense to spread the holidays over the year. But I guess when has 'sense' come into teachers vocabulary?