House Of Lords Reform Report Due Amid Deepening Tory Tensions

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 23/04/2012 06:32 Updated: 23/04/2012 08:15

The joint committee on House of Lords reform will publish its long-awaited report today, a document which will set the tone for what's becoming an increasingly factious coalition issue.

Up to 100 Tory MPs - including some ministerial aides and even Cabinet ministers - are thought to be deeply hostile to Nick Clegg's plans for reforming the Lords.

The draft Bill published by the government would see a gradual change from the largely appointed Lords to a largely elected chamber. Every five years about a quarter of the appointed Lords would be removed and replaced with elected members, who would serve a long fifteen-year term. They wouldn't be allowed to stand again.

These new peers would have super-constituencies, and there would be about 300 of them. By 2030 the upper chamber would consist of 80% elected peers, and 20% would still be appointed. The Church of England Bishops would keep twelve of their seats.

The biggest complaint is that the government's plan for the Lords fails to enshrine the supremacy of the House of Commons, even though ministers insist this is exactly what they are doing. Although the Committee's report is under a strict curfew until 10 o'clock this morning they are likely to challenge the government's plan to retain the Parliament Act - the piece of law which allows the Commons to eventually over-ride the Lords on any piece of legislation the unelected house seeks to block.

Ministers believe there is no need to change this Act - which has existed in some form for 101 years - arguing that it would perform the job perfectly well even if the Lords were elected. The committee members have repeatedly questioned how a piece of law designed to clamp down on the powers of an unelected chamber could work when dealing with an elected one.

Another recommendation which could be in the report is a call for a national referendum before the changes to the Lords can come into force. This is expected in part because of a leak of an early draft of the report before Easter, which was said to contain the referendum demand.

Labour have put their weight behind this idea, saying such constitutional change shouldn't happen without the public being consulted. The coalition have dismissed this, pointing out that all three main parties went into the 2010 general election calling for at least part of the Lords to be elected.

Tory Ministers are said to be openly questioning the merits of Lords reform around the Cabinet table. Sunday papers reported that heavyweights like Michael Gove and Philip Hammond are uneasy. Further down the food chain there are Tory Parliamentary Private Secretaries - ministerial assistants who don't get paid for their efforts but must always vote for the government or resign - have been openly critical.

Tory MP Conor Burns - who is PPS to the Northern Ireland Secretary - was open in his dissent on Friday, telling BBC Radio 4: "My view hasn’t changed from the view I expressed in the House of Commons to the Deputy Prime Minister that I am in favour, broadly, of the status quo."

Burns is one of dozens of Tory MPs who believe a vote in the Commons on this matter should be free, and not whipped by the government. Previous Lords reform votes have always been free, and Burns told Radio 4: "If the Deputy Prime Minister is right, that there is a majority in the House of Commons, across Parliament, across parties, then it will go through."

Burns' statement suggests there is little that ministers can do to appease some Tories, even if they agree to further concessions. These were hinted at in reports on Sunday, suggesting Nick Clegg might agree to the new Lords having 450 members, rather than the 300 he originally envisaged.

There is a gamble for David Cameron in all of this. Abandon Lords reform and the Lib Dems could easily threaten to block other bits of the coalition agreement, including the Tories' cherished plan to reduce the number of MPs by 50 and shake up the boundaries to lessen Labour's inbuilt electoral majority. Lib Dem MP Lord Oakeshott recently made this threat on the Sunday Politics programme on BBC One.

Nick Clegg was at great pains to deny this would happen on Friday, when the coaliton tensions about this rose to the surface. But what else have the Lib Dems really got on the Tories as leveage? Some people in Nick Clegg's party are starting to think that their poll numbers are just wrong. They continue to languish in single digits in national opinion polls - and have by all accounts been taken over by UKIP.

But every time there is a by-election for either a council seat or for Parliament, they actually do much better than the polls suggest. The notion that the Lib Dems are stuck in the coalition because to trigger a general election would cause wipeout is starting to look quite shaky.

With the AV referendum out of the way and many of the things that the Lib Dems wanted already passed into law, the reasons for them to stay in coalition -other than the threat of wipeout at the ballot box - are fewer in number than a year ago.

But on the other hand if David Cameron presses ahead with Lords reform he risks a mutiny among his own backbenchers, and even if he can control that, could find that the Lords will get so aggravated that they won't just start delaying the law to abolish them, they could start being difficult over every other piece of legislation the government sends their way.

All this for a reform which the public clearly doesn't care about whatsoever. Sure, if you ask them whether the Lords should be elected they mostly agree that it should. But how many letters do MPs actually get from people urging them to do something about it? Very few indeed. The third and final risk for Cameron is that he is seen to be distracted by Westminster intrigue about the Lords, at at time when the public are severely underwhelmed by his management of the economy and the NHS.

It's those two things, after all, that most analysts expect to be the biggest issues at the next general election. Not who sits on the red benches in Parliament.

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The joint committee on House of Lords reform will publish its long-awaited report today, a document which will set the tone for what's becoming an increasingly factious coalition issue. Up to 100...
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clownzozo
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12:10 PM on 04/23/2012
Elected Lords? The candidates will be most carefully selected by politically appointed selection committee, of course.

Democracy would best be achieved by presenting all Parliamentary legislation to a jury to consider, whether:
(a) It is Lawful and does not contravene our freedoms and rights protected by, Common Law, and British Constitution.
(b) Is it fair and just.
(c) As legislation only applies to corporations, and cannot be lawfully applied to us unless we consent to it, and suffrage is not consent, how will the consent of the people be obtained?

As juries are already empowered to order unfair, or unjust legislation to be removed from the statute books, no new legislation would be required.

Juries, could be summoned to serve one month only, require no pensions, and paid a set amount on top of compensation of earnings, as a reward for public service.
This would be far less expensive, more democratic and so - will never happen.
10:03 AM on 04/23/2012
LOL! Basically the politicians want to control who they put in the House of Lords so that they can get through all their dodgy deals without anyone being able to say NO to them. Another case of dictatorship coming on.
10:17 AM on 04/23/2012
Absolutely right. They can't stand being second guessed on all their ill thought out decision and being made to think again and again.
09:59 AM on 04/23/2012
No doubt there are aspects of the House of Lords that could do within amending but the main initial issues arising from this proposal are 1) Anything to do with Nick Clegg is bound to be a complete and utter **** up! 2) With all of the REAL problems facing the UK today who actually could care less about whats going on in the Lords at the moment? No wonder the electorate are pushing the Libs into extinction. Nick has made it clear that they are well and truly past the sell by date!
10:17 AM on 04/23/2012
Brilliant. I love this.
09:58 AM on 04/23/2012
In my view the fuss is about a Tory Government without a clear majority being strong-armed by it's LibDem co-alition partners who want to introduce proportional representation by the back door, having failed to get it into the Commons. WE, the voters, are not supposed to be allowed a say in whether it happens or not. It's a disgrace imho. How many of you think there are enough bright politicians to staff the House of Commons just now, let alone the House of Lords I wonder ?
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mokgee
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08:00 AM on 04/23/2012
Wetminster, is overcrowded with too many scroungers with nothing better to do, yet getting well paid to do so. They are all guilty in both houses of selling off Britain to all and sundry. They sold us off to the Gannets in Europe, who use our Billions to utilise as they like, whilst we continue to struggle. Now anyone with common sense, tell me I have got it wrong, and still they war amongst each other, whilst the rest of the world observe their careless practices on a daily basis. What country in the world would ever believe anything they ever say, identical to ourselves, not many if any at all. And now they are being dictated to by the European bullies, why is there a need to have an overpopulated Wetminster...They have created thier own disgusting mess with no immediate solutions......
10:20 AM on 04/23/2012
At least the Lords only get expenses. If the Lib Dems get their way we'll end up with an overpaid 'elected', toothless upper house. Just one more unwanted, unneeded layer of useless government.
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06:13 PM on 04/23/2012
Only get expenses for what. We already have a toothless upper house, whatever that is supposed to represent, certainly not the people of Britain. Themselves, and the EU junta, is all they represent, and anyone who believes differently is totally deluded,...Get away from the predictable 3, and begin looking for a complete change in Wetminster. Then maybe we will restore our pride and determination to name it Westminster, once again....