Scottish Independence Referendum Question 'Biased', MPs Say

The Huffington Post UK  |  By Posted: 08/05/2012 09:24 Updated: 08/05/2012 09:24

The question Scottish people will be asked in a referendum on independence is biased in favour of a 'yes' answer, according to MPs.

The SNP government in Edinburgh, which is in favour of independence, plans to hold a poll on the break up of the United Kingdom before 2015 and has proposed that Scots be asked: "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?"

However in a report published on Tuesday, the House of Commons Scottish Affairs Committee has said that such a question was a "leading question".

"This referendum must be, and be seen to be, fair and acceptable to those on both sides of the argument. It is
essential that the result commands wide acceptance," the MPs say.

The MPs conclude that the Electoral Commission must be tasked with coming up with a question that is "clear and fair" and does not favour one side of the debate.

"No question should be placed before the electorate unless the Electoral Commission is completely satisfied as to the intelligibility and fairness of the wording.

"The Commission should conduct a very thorough programme of testing of a number of different question options before coming to a view on the wording which is clearest and fairest."

Ian Davidson, the Labour chair of the committee, said it was unfair to have a referendum "in which separatists are both player and referee".

"That goes against every notion of fairness and transparency," he said.

"It must be for the Electoral Commission, an experienced and neutral body, to oversee the process and, crucially, to test alternative questions and words to make sure that any referendum question will be clearly understood."

But Scottish Government cabinet secretary for parliamentary business Bruce Crawford said the Westminster report was "devoid of credibility".

"The Scottish Government's proposed referendum question is straightforward and fair," he said.

He added: "The ballot paper will be subject to testing during autumn and winter this year, and we will be delighted to receive advice from the Electoral Commission and other electoral professionals."

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11:12 AM on 05/11/2012
A suitable unionist question - do you agree that Scotland should be DOOMED to hell for all eternity by the devil Salmond or do you agree that Scotland should continue to be paradise on earth, free from the nightmare of having to make decisions on it's own or take responsability for it's own people.

That these nest lining toe rags actually think anyone listens to them is what makes me laugh.
12:34 PM on 05/11/2012
Thats a hard question to answer,not all Scots are like the snp and there follwers.
11:31 AM on 05/12/2012
And not all Scots are like the unionists and their followers either eh.
10:32 PM on 05/10/2012
"THE ANSWER IS NO" Will everyone living in Scotland,be allowed full Scottish citizenship, if they come independent?.If you were not born in Scotland the answer is no,even if you vote snp"What will you be known as" a British citizen living abroad.Why should this matter? Who will pay your pension when you retire? If Scotland is not in the EU,no one.
02:53 PM on 05/09/2012
This whole discussion shows why Scotland will be better-off independent. The ignorance of Brit posters is shocking, as is their limited grasp of and faith in democracy.

Ignorance:many posters seem to think this is a new issue. Maybe it is to them but in Scotland it has been debated for decades. The SNP first won a bye-election in early 1945. It won another one in 1967, and since then there has been an SNP presence in the Commons (since 1973 a group). So the idea that the way the question is phrased will fool the people of Scotland is laughable. They have a good idea of the issues, they have formed (and in many cases changed) their opinions over the years, and the ignorance displayed in many of these posts will be encouraging more opinion shifts towards a Yes vote.

Contempt for democracy: the anti-democratic idea that a government can control debates among their citizens seems to come naturally enough to defenders of the status quo in the UK (as it would to Vladimir Putin) but makes no sense in Scotland. Last week there were local elections. The results were different from the Scottish Parliamentary elections in 2011. So Scots voters, asked who should govern Scotland, can give one answer, but then asked who should run the council, can give another. In other words we are intelligent people who know what a question means! No-one is fooling us, least of all Davidson and his desperate gang.
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05:09 PM on 05/09/2012
"...The ignorance of Brit posters..."

Brit posters .... you mean English, Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish posters?
06:28 PM on 05/09/2012
No, if I wanted to use these terms I would have. I mean from posters who see themselves as "British" and who think of Britain as a unitary nation, not what it is - a geographical term..

Most of them seem to be English,and to believe that the two terms are interchangeable. Not all English folk think like that thank goodness, so events after Scottish independence will not be the chronicle of doom that the Brits seem to want..
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Chiefy17242011
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11:38 AM on 05/09/2012
Ah well, there we go. All of the usual suspects chipping their two English Bobs worth in.

Anyone asked any of the real questions, like, maybe, was this so-called "select" committee in any way biased ? Possibly unrepresentative ? Did it, for example, have any SNP members on the committee or did the so-called "Scottish" Affairs Select Committee have 4 (Count Them FOUR) ENGLISH TORIES as part of the crew ?

Did anyone ask WHY there are no SNP members on this committee ?
Or whether or not the "Chairman", Iain Davidson, who earns an ADDITIONAL £15K a year on top of his parliamentary salary for this position, is fit to hold that position ?

Or why he says that the (exactly the same format) question that was used in 1979 for the "Devolution referendum" (Prop: Labour) was Just Fine and Dandy but this one isn't ?

Even the Scottish Tories have agreed that the question is fair and straightforward.

This is a further attempt to hijack the democratically expressed will of the People of Scotland. We voted for an SNP government to deliver a referendum in 2014.

Davidson and his cronies are frightened that in a Democratic, Independent Scotland, they lose their seats on the Wastemonster Gravy Train.

And So Speed the Day. Every day another nail in the coffin of the Union.
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04:19 PM on 05/09/2012
Let's not go too overboard on this 'will of the Scottish people', eh?

"This is a further attempt to hijack the democratically expressed will of the People of Scotland. We voted for an SNP government to deliver a referendum in 2014."

By 'we' I assume you mean the separatist minority?
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Chiefy17242011
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05:29 PM on 05/09/2012
You'll need to do better than that, len.

As Usual.

Go and have a look at the Electoral Map of Scotland (Post 2011 General Election).

Hint. Wear Sunglasses.
05:41 PM on 05/09/2012
"By 'we' I assume you mean the separatist minority?"

That is as maybe. Only around 20 to 25% currently support the "status quo". Around 40% want some kind of further devolution/FFA.

If there is no "second question" then how will these people vote? Yes? No? if only half of them voted yes then that´s´already a clear majority voting for independence.

Until now there has been no debate, only political stances drawing lines in the sand.

There have already been "defections" to supporting independence from the Conservatives, eg financier Peter de Vink, the well known and, until his declaring his support for independence and becoming and "independent councillor", high ranking Conservative. People listen to him, Conservatives and Labour et al alike.

Labour too are grappling with potential for debate. From The Scotsman yesterday: "FORMER Scottish Labour chairman Bob Thomson has said he will vote for independence if there is no second question on devo-max or home rule in the referendum ....warning others in the Labour and trade union movement would do the same." He´s a pretty influential guy. The debate and negotiations have only just begun.
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11:15 AM on 05/09/2012
Yer lol, the question is biased. Basically infers, 'do you like the sound of indepedance' and independance doesn't totally hinge in the referendum. Good thinking Alex! But now we know you lack confidence in the issue!
08:09 AM on 05/10/2012
Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson called it a "fair and decisive legal question".
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10:56 AM on 05/10/2012
Well after her performance in Scottish Parliament which i sa in BBC Parliament on saturday I would take her opinion serious, the whole room couldnt stop laughing at her clearly dim comments that were just wantiing to find any way to disagree with Alex Salmond. Not that she a horrible person, she's just not exactly competant.
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07:38 PM on 05/08/2012
Jo Swinson, the Scottish LibDem MP, recently did a survey of people on her email list on Independence. However, Swinson's idea was to prove the bias in the proposed SNP question. this is the response to her "survey" she sent to those on her list... the results of which speak for themselves:

"...In total, 35% of respondents were in favour of Scottish independence, while 65% were against...

To those with surnames starting with A through to L, I asked “Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?”, the same question the SNP have said they would like to see on the ballot paper at the proposed referendum in 2014.

To those with surnames starting with M through to Z, I asked “Do you support or oppose Scotland becoming a country independent from the rest of the United Kingdom”, which is the question most commonly being asked in opinion polls on the subject.

... Some have suggested that the SNP’s preferred question which uses ‘agree’ is actually quite leading. ...

When asked if they agreed that Scotland should be an independent country, 31% of the 251 who were posed that question and responded said yes, with 68% saying no. 3 respondents did not answer either yes or no.

When asked if they supported Scotland becoming a country independent from the rest of the UK, 38% of the 244 who were posed that question and responded said yes, with 62% saying no."
06:24 PM on 05/08/2012
It was said when M. Thatcher was in power that the only
employment left in Scotland, would be grouse shooting.
Looking at it now, they were dead right.
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06:03 PM on 05/08/2012
Compare this question - "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?" to the question in the devolution referendum set by WESTMINSTER in 1997 -
"Do you agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament?".
They didn't seem to think THE EXACT SAME QUESTION FORMAT was biased back then.
Confusing.
06:23 PM on 05/08/2012
I prefer the first question asking about Scotland becoming an independent country to the one about whether their should be a Scottish Parliament :-)
06:25 PM on 05/08/2012
Further proof to confirm my belief that the UK government actually wants Scotland to leave. Devolution was always just a run up to independence and they knew it.

The establishment wants the UK to break apart. That alone should be reason enough not to fall for it.
06:00 PM on 05/08/2012
'Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?'
Yes Gisburne, it is a fair question, not one that the Kim Yung Salmond (as he is known up here in scotland) would agree with though. ,
11:53 PM on 05/08/2012
not one that the Kim Yung Salmond (as he is known up here in scotland) would agree with though. ,....................................What part of Scotland are u in then......no one I know calls Mr Salmond by that name
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07:37 AM on 05/09/2012
Exactly. Is it Brigadoon you're in, freebooter? Time to lie down for another 100 years, eh?
11:13 AM on 05/09/2012
Right , Brigadoon the mythical land, something the same as unionist views.. would you agree?
05:43 PM on 05/08/2012
The question seems very straight forward. Even Ruth Davidson, Scottish Conservative leader has said so. The independence debate is a rather big deal and I´m sure everyone voting in Scotland on the day of the referendum will be aware what the question is actually asking, regardless of its formulation.

Here is how the 11th September 1997 referendum question was formulated:

I agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament.
I do not agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament.

If the Westminster MPs are saying it is biased then surely the second part of the above question is bound to also create the likelihood that people don´t want to agree to a negative question so answer put their cross to the first one. I voted in 1997 and put my cross there and remember it clearly. There was no dissent then regarding "I agree that..." from anyone.

Nor, come to think of it, was their any dissent about the date which was, exactly to the day, the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Stirling Bridge, so why the fuss about 2014 regarding some distant event from the pro-Westminster groupings? The referendum is about Scotland´s future.

Ps. How many of the Westminster MPs on the House of Commons Scottish Affairs Committee represent Scottish constituencies? This is pertinent since they´ll be become unemployed by default since there would be no more Scottish constituency MPs at Westminster after a "Yes" vote. Self interests? Regarding an MP? Really? Hmm...
05:36 PM on 05/08/2012
Let us all remember one very important point here. It was the SNP that decided to give the people of Scotland a referendum, the unionist parties were totally against the public having any say whatsoever. So why on earth should anyone listen to a bunch of brainless unionist MP's opinion, The SNP gave us the referendum , so they should have the right to choose the question.... end of story.
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05:55 PM on 05/08/2012
If the UK government say it's biased and the SNP go ahead, then the referendum will have no more legitimacy than an opinion poll.

Besides, what are you Nats scared of?
06:29 PM on 05/08/2012
"Besides, what are you Nats scared of?"

Possibly Westminster nationalism and imperialism?
07:40 PM on 05/08/2012
UK wasteminster opinion is irrelevant..... The people of Scotland will decide and it dosn't matter 2 hoots what they think south of the border. You should be more worried about the Council of Europe when it looks into the biased and unethical EBC and the rest of the hostile anti Scottish London based press. When the unionists don't have these rags spewing out lies and bile against Independence, then there will be an even playing field and of course a massive Yes vote will follow.... get over it.... Independence is coming.
05:30 PM on 05/08/2012
'Should Scotland leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?'


That's a fair, unbiased question.
05:46 PM on 05/08/2012
It is also inaccurate because it is not about the union of the Crowns but the Union of the Parliaments. We would still be a United Kingdom just as it was from 1603 - 1707
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05:57 PM on 05/08/2012
You will become a political/legal entity outside that of the the United Kingdom.

A separate country, in fact.
08:00 PM on 05/08/2012
The Scottish Parliament was NEVER abandoned, nor dissolved.

It was in fact Adjourned, on the 25th March, 1707, after it ratified the creating of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and was reconvened under Devolution ( with the Minutes of the last Meeting held in 1707 being read in Chamber ), on the 12th May, 1999.

What a Scottish Parliament once gave, it can with a Majority Vote for Full - Independence, fully reverse by a Mandate of the Scottish People.

This would not have been possible if the Scottish Parliament was out-rightly Abandoned, or Dissolved, but it was nevertheless merely only adjourned before being reconvened once again.
05:29 PM on 05/08/2012
Any referendum question should be open rather than leading!

Alex Salmond is a pain who seems to be in danger of becoming a quasi dictator.
05:22 PM on 05/08/2012
The real question is Independance or the continuation of incompetent rule from Westminster.