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I'm Sorry, Dr Fox - Gay Marriage Isn't Just a "Metropolitan Elite" Issue

Posted: 15/06/2012 00:00

According to opponents of gay marriage, it is a measure that only attracts support amongst the "metropolitan elite" - according to their analysis once you step outside of Hampstead or Soho , support for equal marriage simply withers away.

Former Defence Secretary, Dr Liam Fox was the latest political figure to use this argument, suggested that the Government's proposals for gay marriage represented "social engineering" on the part of a "metropolitan elite." David Davis used similar language a few weeks ago, when he suggested that equal marriage is a policy for the "London centric political class."

Nadine Dorries went even further, when she said that:

"Gay marriage is a policy which has been pursued by the metro elite gay activists and needs to be put into the same bin... The policy is divisive, unpopular with the public, is tearing the Conservative Party apart and will influence absolutely no one in terms of the way they vote in the future."

The "metropolitan elite" line can be a pretty compelling one. The only trouble is that, in the case of gay marriage, it simply isn't true.

Populus have found that support for equal marriage is actually higher in the North East (where it stands at 81%), Yorkshire and the West Midlands than it is in London. Despite the rhetoric about the "metro elite", the most blue collar parts of the country are actually the most supportive of gay marriage. Equally, the skilled working class are as in favour of the reform as the so-called metropolitan classes.

What about the argument that gay marriage is unpopular with the public? The same poll showed that 65% of people supported equal marriage, which is up from 62% a few years ago.

The next election will not be decided by this issue. In the grand scheme of things, the big issues for the next election are the cost of living, unemployment and growth. Those are indeed the big bread and butter issues that politicians should spend most of their time talking about. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't do the right thing when it comes to giving gay people the right to marry.

But equal treatment is something that matters a lot to one particular group of people. All they would like is to be treated the same way as everyone else. At root, the issue here is whether we accept that homosexuality is normal, or not. For all the rhetoric about "metro elite gay activists", what you basically have here is a large chunk of normal, everyday people, who don't want to be treated as different or second class, just because of who they happen to love.

Gay people want to join the institution of marriage because of the respect they have for the institution, not because they want to change or 'redefine' it. This is a tribute to marriage, rather than a threat to it.

It's a transparently false dichotomy to suggest that focusing on the cost of living and creating jobs means that proposals for equal marriage should be shelved. The truth is that equal marriage would require tiny Legislative changes and minimal parliamentary time to do this. The idea that it would require weeks of extended parliamentary sittings is a nonsense.

I believe equal marriage should be introduced because it is the right thing to do. It is right to enable gay marriage for the same reasons that it is right to encourage marriage for the rest of the population.
There are few more conservative institutions than marriage, and the Prime Minister was right that there is a conservative case for it. Marriage encourages commitment and fidelity - it's been shown to be beneficial to individuals and society.

And what would happen if the Government shelved equal marriage because of right wing dissent. It would turn it from an issue that doesn't really register for ordinary voters (although they believe it is the right thing to do) into an opportunity for its enemies to say that the Tory Party hasn't really changed. Given that the Prime Minister has invested such personal capital in it, he isn't just going to roll over.

The issue of gay marriage isn't going to win or lose the next election. But it is the right thing to do. It is certainly not unpopular, indeed it is popular throughout the country, especially in places not particularly associated with the "metropolitan elite".

 

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06:20 PM on 06/20/2012
Of course it's a nonsense. It's the favourite tack to use these days when opposing something and it is deeply patronising. The idea that only a minority of London elite has a sense of natural justice, morals and ethics and cares about their fellow human beings when they are being abused or denied basic human rights is offensive. For the record, I'm from Scotland and will feel a deep sense of shame if either our government or Westminster fail to deny the bigots and approve same sex marriage. I don't get the feeling I'm alone in my country.
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vividrick
I came, I saw...I had a cup of tea!
12:36 PM on 06/16/2012
Was nothing "metropolitan elite" about Brokeback Mountain. Sillyness aside, if enough people want it, gay marriage should be allowed. Tories & the Church should accept these days they're gonna be against the grain on most modern issues, it's hard to stick to your guns against the masses of the people, society evolves.
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u s of england
06:28 PM on 06/16/2012
church yes, conservatives probably not. liberalism has bankrupted our economy, only idiots are nieve enought to think any different.
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vividrick
I came, I saw...I had a cup of tea!
01:51 AM on 06/17/2012
So you're exonerating the bankers in all of this?
ZEB
never fear the zeb is ere
11:07 AM on 06/16/2012
Dr Fox is my MP.never voted for him never will.
Clevedon has more bed hopping in the UK then any town.
And he worried about Gays what a sad man.
Hey Scotland we will sail this MP back to you for 1P, or are we asking to much?
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12:10 PM on 06/16/2012
Zeb- why would Scotland have him back? The trick was in getting him to leave in the first place.
10:44 AM on 06/16/2012
Yet another bland article on same sex marriage. The writer bases his argument on moral grounds saying 'he believes it is the right thing to do.' We all live by a code of morals and the thing is some people's morals will actually differ from this writers. They may share some morals like it's wrong to kick someone but in other issues they will differ. We know the religious argument, we know the equality argument. This writer has said nothing new.
10:35 AM on 06/16/2012
Live and let live. I don't that is exclusive to being metropolitan. I'm far from that.
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Ian Llangan
Your Invisible Sky Friend Is Morally Abhorrent
10:26 PM on 06/15/2012
Here in Canada, we have had equal marriage for same-sex couples since 2005. Contrary to the religio-fundie predictions of certain doom, seven years on and the sky has not fallen. Life has carried on as usual. The only measurable effect has been a noticeable uptick in the number of banquet halls booked, florists doing wedding orders and honeymoon trip bookings - all good for the economy. The 35+/- million of us here in Canada find it rather odd that the UK lags so far behind us in this measure of social justice - and indeed lags so far behind several of your more progressive neighbours in Europe. In the USA equal marriage is headed for the Supreme Court, where the balance of opinion seems to be that the decisions made by the Ninth and Fifth(?) Circuit Courts of Appeal to, in effect, allow equal marriage, will be upheld, by a measure of 5-4 or greater. To not act on legalizing equal marriage seems like a way to ensure you will drain valuable intellectual capital from your national talent pool, as all the young educated LGBT people will lend their talents to other countries if they are not treated fairly as taxpayers and citizens in their place of origin...
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Mneme
The truth shall make ye fret.
02:56 AM on 06/16/2012
I'm so glad you made this point because I'm tired of saying it. I would dearly love some of these conservative prophets of doom to give me an explanation as to why, if gay marriage will herald the end of society, society has not ended in those countries where gay marriage is already legal. I also find it suspicious that, whilst some prominent church leaders assure us gay marriage WILL be harmful, they are very hazy as to WHY and HOW it will be harmful.
I visited Spain a few years ago and was shocked to find a distinct lack of biblical plagues, despite the legal recognition of same sex marriage. I understand that it has been legal in Holland for more than a decade and yet the Danube is not even slightly pinkish.
So, either God requires at least a ten year head start to muster up a good frog based epidemic, or it's all BS.
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07:43 AM on 06/17/2012
I find it hard to find anyone posting opposition to gay marriage that is stating, the sky will fall in or we arer doomed if gay marriage is allowed in the UK. On the other hand it is your post which contains statements to this effect if gay marriage is not allowed.
05:06 PM on 06/15/2012
As a confirmed bachelor I don't think that Liam Fox should say anything about marriage at all?
03:39 PM on 06/15/2012
I wish they'd get the whole legal parity thing over with. The only reason I'm not as bored of this now as I was of Don't Ask Don't Tell is the infantile, hate-filled reaction from the Christian right.

After this, it will be good for the gay rights movement to be able to focus more on fighting hate crime, domestic violence, homelessness, workplace discrimination, poor access to the right mental health services in my opinion. Homophobia is not going to go away when the law is changed.
03:35 PM on 06/15/2012
A well written article thoughtful argument. Equal rights for all is a must in a reasonable society.
02:55 PM on 06/15/2012
have tried to post logical arguments against this blog in order to stimulate debate but they keep being deleted not much of a forum if only those comments that are somewhat sensationalist against the blog are allowed but hey dont suppose a reasoned discussion is what you actually want
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scsfoxrabbit
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02:53 PM on 06/15/2012
And if it is 'tearing the Conservative party apart' it is obviously a 'good thing'!
02:38 PM on 06/15/2012
this is not the same as race discrimination as a black person can achieve the same as a white one in every aspect.
this is not similar to women being given the vote as women in brain capacity terms are mens equals
male and female couples without children are so out for mainly natural reasons either their decision, a physical disability, an accident, or natural ageing etc. all natural
whilst same sex couples can match nearly every aspect of a male female relationship they cannot match one the creation of life. when nature decides to change that there will be equality. same sex couples would not exist without interaction between male and female therefore the male female relationship is the pinnacle and must be recognised in some way as that.
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Ian Llangan
Your Invisible Sky Friend Is Morally Abhorrent
10:13 PM on 06/15/2012
Except that what you describe is a straw-man argument. Reality shows that there are plenty of custodial (and shared-custody) parents in gay relationships raising children, and in fact conceiving and giving birth to children. There is no special "pinnacle" for heterosexual relationships unless you care to take credit for the fact that they have resulted in a planet (the only one we have to live on by the way) that is dying under the weight of 7 billion people (to be 11 billion by mid century). That doesn't really count any kind of honourable distinction in my books.
01:58 PM on 06/16/2012
i must have missed that two men or two women creating a baby without third party intervention please advise who they were and where they are. yes they can have children but they have either done it through denying who they really are in a false marriage or relationship or by engaging the services of a sarrogate mother or sperm donor. As of yet a same sex couple has not produced a child without third party involvement. as i said when nature allows them to they will be equal on all terms. i never said the system was perfect marriage and commitment has been undermined if we stopped altering the standards everytime we wanted to we wouldnt be in this mess.
02:21 PM on 06/15/2012
Oh, Yes it is!
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scsfoxrabbit
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02:51 PM on 06/15/2012
Oh no! It's not.
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scsfoxrabbit
scsfoxrabbit
02:55 PM on 06/15/2012
This was in response to a now disappeared comment which said 'Oh yes it is'
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Ian Llangan
Your Invisible Sky Friend Is Morally Abhorrent
10:13 PM on 06/15/2012
Oh no it wasn't! LOL!
03:43 AM on 06/17/2012
it did not disappear. for clarity, Oh yes it does, again.
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AlanDente
Noses: made to hold glasses
12:32 PM on 06/15/2012
This reminds me of my mantra: 'If you side with Dorries, you'll be sorry'.

Works for pretty much everything ever.
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Thomas Platt
11:33 AM on 06/15/2012
It annoys me when people use terms like "metropolitan elite" in that sneering kind of way. In my experience, there are more gay people in cities than in rural areas because we are so few, and because being in more densely-populated areas allows us to find one another more easily.

It has nothing to do with moneyed yuppies attempting to force good honest country folk to bend to their will, which is what Fox and Dorries would like you to believe - and as it happens, as this article points out, even that isn't true.
03:42 PM on 06/15/2012
Think who normally uses the phrase "metropolitan elite". Politicians in Westminster and third-rate right-wing pundits like Melanie Phillips in Wapping. How are they not a "metropolitan elite"?